[Project] SFF

conzy

I decided to build my first Small Form Factor PC, well my second if you count this beast i built for Jack Bauer







Anyway.......

I will be building in June after my Exams, but I will posting plans / components in this thread until the building commences..

Planned Specs:

Shuttle SX48P2 Deluxe
Core 2 Quad Q6600 or Q9450
4gigs Mushkin PC-6400
8800gts 512 or or whatever is similary priced at the time
2 x WD T7k500s
Slot load DVD drive

Initially it will be aircooled and I will be replacing all the stock fans with Noctua / Noiseblocker fans..

I may watercool it depending on the performance of the aircooling setup (which seems pretty good as people have E8400s at 4ghz in the SP35P2 Pro) and thats already in the planning stages:



I also hope to fit a 7" LCD that i salvavged from a broken portable DVD player, it has a composite input and its 12v so it will be very easy to integrate it



Heres the first shipment of stuff:





Shiny!



Noctua fans



Thats all for now

Anti

Looks like an interesting build

awhir

a guy on xs has allready done this if i were you i would look for it

conzy

Done what? Water cooling in a shuttle? Yup, lots of people have but usually with an external rad, mine shall be integrated!

awhir

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=158838

dual 80's bit looks nice.

conzy

Ah yes, I remember now, I even posted in that thread

He did a nice job, I was considering the Swiftech H20 220 kit, but the fact that the Shuttle doesn't use the standard LGA 775 mounting system, I will need to make a bracket, and it would be harder to make a bracket for it seen as the pump is part of the block....

The beauty of the Swiftech kit is there was only 2 components.. Where am i going to fit a pump and a res and a rad in the Shuttle

Anti

If you could find a second shuttle with everything stripped out you could make a dual case. One to house lal the components, and the other to hold all the wc gear. Would br pretty expensive. You could even fabricate a custome bracket to hinge the two cases together and open from the middle. Like a book, if you know what im getting at.

conzy

I couldn't afford a second shuttle case and if it was twice as big as a shuttle then it wouldn't be very awesome...

It must fit in / on a single shuttle or i'll stick with aircooling, also remember it all has to fit in that tiny shuttle bag

papu

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call it audiosurf

conzy

Papu you confuse me

But yes i could play audiosurf on the 7" LCD \o/\o/\o/

papu

also needs integrated subwooofer dooo it!

awhir

conzymaher wrote: »

did u use solidworks for this ? nice job if you did

also can you give some more views

conzy

Its just Google Sketchup

My drawing is on the family PC so I will get it tomorrow and show you some more angles, Its great for planning a mod, You can see if things are going to fit or not before Dremeling for 3 hours


**edit**Bah, the edit button from the first post is gone

I was contemplating Crossfire 3850s instead of a single 8800gts 512 as they perform better than an 8800Ultra in most games! and consume less power than an Ultra too Any thoughts? The fact that they would be single cards and wouldn't exhaust could lead to heat problems

** edit 2 **

I can get two 512mb 3850s for only 242 euro thats > 8800Ultra performance for half the price

http://overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-085-OK

conzy

In another thread Kamakazi recommended the Lian Li SFF cases, and the V350 looks awesome, it would also be so much more moddable than the Shuttle, it has dual 120mm fans at the front and I think a dual rad would fit there nicely...



heres a size comparison:



Damn it, I change my mind so often Project Shuttle may not even be a Shuttle anymore Anyone want to buy a Shuttle bag..........

conzy

Awesome

Chosen

Sorry for posting this a bit too late, but here's the best m-ATX case for watercooling.

conzy

Looks awesome but 415 euro for the case alone eats into the budget quite a bit

The V350 is very water-coolable and I'm not afraid to remove any surplus drive bays etc with an angle grinder

awhir

but is there any micro board that supports 16x+16x or how do the the 3850 perform on 16x+4x?

Chosen

My Gigabyte G33M-DS2R has a x4 PCI-E slot that's open in the end, to accept a full x16 card.

My Home Theater PC has an E8500 running at 3.6GHz with a Scythe Ninja Mini without a fan (using the case fans only), RAM at 960MHz

conzy

I was thinking of the ASUS P5E-VM or the Gigabyte G33M-DS2R, the asus is probably the better overclocker of the two and it looks nicer

Back to a single card so....

Watercooling gear, Suggestions?

papu

conzymaher wrote: »

I was thinking of the ASUS P5E-VM or the Gigabyte G33M-DS2R, the asus is probably the better overclocker of the two and it looks nicer

Back to a single card so....

Watercooling gear, Suggestions?

ditch the coolent , just get some nuke it biocide i think its called and use deionised water

Chosen

A few Asus m-ATX boards blew up, check the relevant thread in XS.
The Gigabyte one is the best, and also has RAID

I have that pump you are planning to get, plus a PA120.2, which I was using on my watercooled m-ATX project, using the same Thermaltake case you have

I had to completely remove all hdd/cd bays to do so, but it worked. And it wasn't my HTPC, it was my main rig, with the watercooled 8800GTX and all.
It was nice for the 3 months that I was using it, but being the impulsive buyer I am, I couldn't keep it for more than that

If you want the pump and rad, I can give you also the plexiglass side panels that I made, with the holes and fittings for the rad on the side. great success

conzy

Thanks for all the input Do you mean the Lian Li case?

I will look into the Gigabyte board, people seem to be having great sucess with the Asus on [H]ard forum though

That rad is also really thick and I don't think a long GFX card would fit, because a 1950pro is even tight with a low profile rad



How much for the pump?

RuggieBear

peats on parnell st is selling a b grade lian-li 350b for about 125 euro if thats any use to you? Considerably bigger than the p2 shuttle but a gorgeous case (Was looking at the lian li yesterday and if my rma shuttle takes much longer i might go that way.)

conzy

I saw it a few weeks ago in Peats it looks really nice but its only 114 euros new from OcUk

What shuttle do you have? what do you think of it? I heard lots of horror stories about the new bios(s) one of them killed penryns and the subsequent bios crippled overclocking, presumably to stop people breaking more cpus

The v350 is still very small and offers a lot more freedom

papu

any of these?
http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/Cases/SuperPower:::29_1308.html
http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/Cases/Aopen:::29_950.html
http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/Cases/HTPC-Chassis:::29_10130.html
http://www.caseking.de/shop/catalog/Cases/Silverstone:::29_398.html

conzy

The TT lanbox looks nice, is that the case you had chosen?

RuggieBear

well i ordered the sp35p2 pro but it kept rebooting every 5 seconds or so. Really annoying. So I can't tell you anything about it except that it looks nice and the rma is taking a ****ing age lol.

Just putting a Q6600 and a 8800Gt in it....basically a reasonable gaming media centre is what I'm aiming at. If and when it gets back to me i'll tell you how i get on with it.

Chosen

conzymaher wrote: »

Thanks for all the input Do you mean the Lian Li case?

No, I'm talking about this case; I've made two side panels from Plexiglas, and cut them to accommodate the PA120.2 one side.
Feck it I don't have any pictures to show you...
I sold the case, but I still have the side panels.

conzymaher wrote: »

I will look into the Gigabyte board, people seem to be having great sucess with the Asus on [H]ard forum though

Sure, here's the Gigabyte board running at 500MHz fsb, and here and here is the Asus one trying to do the same...

conzymaher wrote: »

That rad is also really thick and I don't think a long GFX card would fit, because a 1950pro is even tight with a low profile rad

That rad is the king, but this you already know. What you don't know, is that I fit the following inside a TT Lanboy:
PA120.2 (screwed on the case's left side, fans on the inside)
Swiftech MCP655 Variable pump (5 speeds, 1200 lt/h max)
Apogee GT cpu waterblock
EK8800GTX gpu waterblock
Small tank by Eleven
And the mentioned gear (Q6600, 8800GTX, G33M-DS2R, Corsair HX620, 2x SSDisks, 2x 120mm fans, 2x 80mm fans)
The most compact 15k 3dMarks you ever saw

conzymaher wrote: »

How much for the pump?

The pump is this one, and I am currently using it with the PA120.2, and get this:



(E8500+8800GTX in the loop; had the QX9650@4400 for 24/7 before)
How about a €50 + a full body massage?

conzy

The massage sells it....

I think I will just buy all the stuff together in the summer, because i will change my mind another 238947 times between now and then

awhir

if ur going for a small loop go for a ddc 3.2 there smaller then the D5s and very nice with a top,for the chip set try to find a ek block that fits it cus they look the sizzel,the d-tek block is fine as it will keep a easy flow in the loop maby you could use a nozzel for better performence,
andy

conzy

Thanks Andy But whats this nozzle kit I have been hearing about? And what does it do?

Here is a comparison of a good few cases (click for zoom)




Also the QMicra is awesome













They are sold out atm, but I contacted them about shipping / availability

awhir

lol @ the upside down ddc

btw a pa120.2 would fit nicly in that

conzy

haha just noticed that, It will be thirsty :P

btw I edited my above post ^

I really dont know if the pa120.2 would fit, its 6cm deep, so it would be 8.5cm deep with fans, and look at the hard drive mounts etc


If it did fit it would be awesome

awhir

shure would,

the nozzel kit makes the hole smaller creating more pressure and trubulence ,this creates better contact with the copper thus better temps,there are like 10 in a pack all diffrent sizes for diffrent performence/restrtiction ratio and diffrent chips(core arrengment)

sorrry for the speelin

conzy

www.performance-pcs.com



!

$113 for shipping though, so a total of 751 dollars which is 480 euro....

Its actually not bad considering the rest of the components come to 812 euro..

E8400 / Q6600
4gigs Gskill
8800gts 512
Gigabyte G33M DS2R
Corsair HX520
Hitachi T7K500

So 1290 euro total

P.s Is that rad ok? I would like Chosen's one of it fits!

awhir

go for a swiftech rad as they perform well under "quiter" fans,you will need a top for the ddc ek and petra do ones.beware the Ek supream is very restrictive and is best to be left on its own in a loop , go for a d-tek fuzion,dont bother getting the tubing in the US will double ur postage ,I would not advice for you to use a res in the loop as it would take up room why not use a T line,why are you going for a OLd Dd block the new Dd perform better and are nicer also Ek chipset blocks are nice

how much is shiping just for the case ?

you could buy the rest from petra's

andy

Edit:from looking at that case you could fit 2 dual rads in that build with both in the same loop you could cool ur cpu,nb,gfx which would be nice

conzy

Yeah the Performance Pcs have a much poorer choice of WC gear than Petras..

Shipping for the case alone is 70 dollars, so it probably is better to get the WC gear from Petras because theres definitely no import tax with him, I could get owned by the case :O

What changes would you mak to the WC gear in my Petras basket above ^

awhir

conzy

Whats the custom top on the pump for? Just greater performance than the stock top I presume? What about the Laing D5? Its supposed to be quieter i think

Also a chipset block would be nice, and I dont need the fans, Im gonna order so more Noctuas with the case

Also 2 rads?! gtfo one is enough

And why no res? I thought they were easier to bleed / maintain than a T line?

awhir

yes with a res it is easier to bleed but where u gona fit a res from the looks of it could fit 2 rads into that case so you could cool ur cpu,gfx,nb one dual on its own would not capalbe of this ,the D5 is nice but again its bigger then the ddc,the tops give quite alarge performence again on the ddcs,if you want a res maby u could go with something like this :




http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=167391&highlight=X-RES

Anti

I hate T-lines myself. Not only are they ugly but a pain in the hole to drain/refil. Grab the D5 too, its a fair bit better then the ddc with petras top according to the peeps over on xs.

conzy

Yeah the D5 seems a lot more powerful and quieter too


You sure a dual rad isnt up to it? The NB makes feck all heat and Chosen had a Heavily overclocked Quad and an 8800GTX on a dual rad, granted it was a beefier rad but still a single 120mm rad is good for dissipating 120-175 watts of heat so a dual rad should be well able to handle an overclocked Quad ~ 140watts and an overclocked 8800 is similar....

I will email PC Design Labs and see if the PA120.2 fits anyway

awhir

conzymaher wrote: »

Yeah the D5 seems a lot more powerful and quieter too


You sure a dual rad isnt up to it? The NB makes feck all heat and Chosen had a Heavily overclocked Quad and an 8800GTX on a dual rad, granted it was a beefier rad but still a single 120mm rad is good for dissipating 120-175 watts of heat so a dual rad should be well able to handle an overclocked Quad ~ 140watts and an overclocked 8800 is similar....

I will email PC Design Labs and see if the PA120.2 fits anyway

A ddc 3.2 18w is more powerfull then a d5 and belive me D5's are very loud when set passed 2.

conzy

I believe you

awhir

conzymaher wrote: »

I believe you

good boy

and go for 2 rads

Anti

awhir wrote: »

good boy

and go for 2 rads

Feck 2, i wanna see 3 tripple rads crammed in there.

awhir

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=151627

conzy

i could stick a HR-03 on the GTS but that would ruin all the fun

I used that flow estimation thingy lastnight and got 1.88 GPM for the following:

4' of 7/16" tubing
D-tek Fuzion
Swiftech MCW-60
Swiftech MCW-30
Swiftech MCR-220 rad
Laing DDC with the EK top (which is the closest to the Petras top)
Res

Thats a lot of flow

Also the case is 1 cubic foot, so with 3 50CFM fans thats 150 cubic feet or so passing through the case every minute, which means every half second or so all the air in the case will be replaced...

I would be pretty damn confident in a dual rad cooling a Quad a GTS and a Chipset, I may go for the E8400 if you can really convince me that its to much for that rad :P

awhir

post on xs and ask them )

conzy

But they will just say "omg Stacker LOL 3 triple rads"

*edit* Posted the thread on XS

And pre-ordered the QMicra, 4-6 weeks... The guy is sound, Unfortunately the PA120.2 wont fit, but the MCR220 or Black Ice Pro 2 fit perfectly...

Ok I have found a handful of QMicra builds with 8800GTX / Ultra and overclocked Quads, all with decent temps