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How would we fare out?

  • 18-01-2008 11:30pm
    #1
    Steyr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,266 ✭✭✭


    So if this Nation was attacked, Invaded etc etc how do you think we would fare out? Would we be any good?


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  • #2
    MikeyNT
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    Guerilla warfare....works every time....well it did almost 90 years ago anyway.


  • #3
    next
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭next


    we'd be fine we could all hide in the shed at the bottom of Bono's garden


  • #4
    guinnessdrinker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭guinnessdrinker


    next wrote: »
    we'd be fine we could all hide in the shed at the bottom of Bono's garden

    If we don't all fit in Bono's shed, some of us should head over to Edge's shed and tell him to bring his guitar with him so we can be distracted until the invasion is over.


  • #5
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,456 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    There was a research paper put out once, oh, about ten years back, by an academic by the name of Mike Lunnon-Wood, under the title of "Dark Rose". The hypothesis was a complete invasion and occupation of Ireland by Chile. Or Argentina. One of those two. They were pretending to be Spanish students.*

    You may find it in your local library, ISBN-10: 0261673947

    If you have read this document, and survived without dying of laughter or shock, I offer you my heartiest congratulations.

    NTM

    *I'm not kidding. You'd have thought someone would have queried the AK-47s or at least the T-72s, but no.


  • #6
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    At the moment probably badly.

    I think that when the occifers are being trained up in the Curragh they should be trained to set up underground resistance movements.

    ie Sleeper Cells that can operate completely independant of the world.

    they should be told the details of a Bank account so that they can purchase Guns and Ammunition.

    They should be shown how to train people to be guerrillas, and to kill in all manners while giving no quarter.

    they should be able to just drift away when it seems like Ireland is being over run adn take as many trained men as possible (so they dont have to train them)


    They should all be trained in explosives and other means. They should be "Hiroo Onodo" as dedicated.

    They should only stop when they see a proper elected Irishman take the country back.

    They should have the ability to spot a high value target and stop at nothing(short of killing a civilian) to get that target.

    Basically we should turn into the Islamic Terrorists but not killing innocent people.


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  • #7
    Steyr
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    minidazzler wrote: »

    They should only stop when they see a proper elected Irishman take the country back.

    Coughs**Enda**Coughs.


  • #8
    cyrusdvirus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    There was a research paper put out once, oh, about ten years back, by an academic by the name of Mike Lunnon-Wood, under the title of "Dark Rose". The hypothesis was a complete invasion and occupation of Ireland by Chile. Or Argentina. One of those two. They were pretending to be Spanish students.*

    You may find it in your local library, ISBN-10: 0261673947

    If you have read this document, and survived without dying of laughter or shock, I offer you my heartiest congratulations.

    NTM

    *I'm not kidding. You'd have thought someone would have queried the AK-47s or at least the T-72s, but no.

    Was that not a novel? I remember reading it, looked like it was inspired by the passport for sale scandal. From what i remember it was Palestinians who took over, sent all the officers etc they could find to concentration camps. They took over cos they reckoned that using the Irish American lobby to kick and scream the americans would withdraw support from Israel. It was a funny book.


  • #9
    Hagar
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    I read it too, didn't paint the Irish in a great light. Very interesting idea though.


  • #10
    cyrusdvirus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    Hagar wrote: »
    I read it too, didn't paint the Irish in a great light. Very interesting idea though.
    The novel or the research paper? Or are they one and the same?



    looks like one and the same....


  • #11
    Hagar
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    Sorry I could have been clearer, the novel, Dark Rose.


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  • #12
    cyrusdvirus
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    Oops.Sorry hagar....my edit was supposed include a hyperlink to the book BEFORE the looks like one and he same comment!! Wasn't saying you were eing unclear! :o


  • #13
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,456 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Yes, it was a novel. I was being a little statirical.

    For those who have not yet read it, Cliff Notes version is as follows:

    Arabs decide to hold Ireland for ransom in exchange for Palestine. Libyan Arabs living in Chile pretending to be Spanish Students overrun Ireland, in conjunction with PLO, with the aid of tanks/APCs/whatever. (Most valid point in book: Most Irish people couldn't tell one of their own tanks from a foreign one). Irish Armed Forces surrender without a fight. Eithne scuttled in harbour, one Peacock escapes to the UK. Free Irish Battalion remains in UNIFIL. Instead of simply going around the corner to Palestine and making havoc, they also go to the UK. First act of resistance caused by an old man on a tractor who blocks the road of a Libyan convoy. They used to do that to me all the time, I've no idea why it wasn't considered a militia act against me. Peacock goes around acting the pirate to any Libyan cargo vessels. When one cargo vessel shoots back, is reliant on escorting British destroyer.

    So, for whatever political reason, the US/UK/etc cannot take sides. They do, however, grant leaves of absence for any troops of Celtic descent (Or who dated an Irish woman once) to go be mercenaries. British SAS finds the last remaining descendant of the High Kings of Tara, and she is declared Queen of Ireland, and Commander in Chief of "Celt Force". Some equipment (Tanks, fighters, Aircraft Carrier Battle Groups) reflagged under Irish military colours for the duration.

    Cue counter-invasion, general high-intensity combat, Mullingar gets hit by some FAEs (No loss there), and the Free Irish Battalion, filled with blood lust, take no prisoners. End with Victory parade to College Green.

    I think that should about cover it.

    NTM


  • #14
    [Deleted User]
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    Manic Moran wrote: »
    Yes, it was a novel. I was being a little statirical.

    For those who have not yet read it, Cliff Notes version is as follows:

    Arabs decide to hold Ireland for ransom in exchange for Palestine. Libyan Arabs living in Chile pretending to be Spanish Students overrun Ireland, in conjunction with PLO, with the aid of tanks/APCs/whatever. (Most valid point in book: Most Irish people couldn't tell one of their own tanks from a foreign one). Irish Armed Forces surrender without a fight. Eithne scuttled in harbour, one Peacock escapes to the UK. Free Irish Battalion remains in UNIFIL. Instead of simply going around the corner to Palestine and making havoc, they also go to the UK. First act of resistance caused by an old man on a tractor who blocks the road of a Libyan convoy. They used to do that to me all the time, I've no idea why it wasn't considered a militia act against me. Peacock goes around acting the pirate to any Libyan cargo vessels. When one cargo vessel shoots back, is reliant on escorting British destroyer.

    So, for whatever political reason, the US/UK/etc cannot take sides. They do, however, grant leaves of absence for any troops of Celtic descent (Or who dated an Irish woman once) to go be mercenaries. British SAS finds the last remaining descendant of the High Kings of Tara, and she is declared Queen of Ireland, and Commander in Chief of "Celt Force". Some equipment (Tanks, fighters, Aircraft Carrier Battle Groups) reflagged under Irish military colours for the duration.

    Cue counter-invasion, general high-intensity combat, Mullingar gets hit by some FAEs (No loss there), and the Free Irish Battalion, filled with blood lust, take no prisoners. End with Victory parade to College Green.

    I think that should about cover it.

    NTM

    Jesus Mainc, that post had me pissing myself!! I am going to put down Beaver's "Stalingrad" and go get me a copy of that book!


  • #15
    tonyj_mc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭tonyj_mc


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Jesus Mainc, that post had me pissing myself!! I am going to put down Beaver's "Stalingrad" and go get me a copy of that book!

    amazon have it, have to pick up a copy :)

    Dark Rose (Paperback)
    by Mike Lunnon-Wood (Author)

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    7 used & new available from £0.45


  • #16
    Hagar
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    I was very lucky to find it for €4 on a second hand bookstall at a Sunday market near where I live. I must read it again. Good books are hard to find down here and I have so much stuff stolen in the post I've almost given up on mail order.


  • #17
    c-90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭c-90


    gurilla warfare is the way forward. all soldiers should be experts in gurilla warefare, i dont know why this hasnt been done yet

    :cool::cool::cool:


  • #18
    Lockstep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    My own opinion would be that Ireland wouldn't do very well.

    Our position in Europe and repuation for neutrality means we have a small standing army and reservists. Guerilla warfare would probably be our best bet.


  • #19
    Tenger
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Jesus Mainc, that post had me pissing myself!! I am going to put down Beaver's "Stalingrad" and go get me a copy of that book!

    Oh dear God.This book is so bad its actually good (if you know what I mean) The plot is worse than an american soap.I still get slagged by my mates every now and then for reading that book(10 year ago in college)
    It is farcical but addictive. I love the bit where the RUC/MI6 gather the IRA heads up north and tell them that they cannot get involved. Otherwise 'the gloves come off' feck it, give them each a gun and send them south!!
    And the US marine colonel called Kowalski,who once knew a barmaid in an irish bar in Boston. but still joined up to CeltForce.
    I even think the heroine/last decendent of the high kings of Ulster is called Kitty or something like that, and has red hair.


  • #20
    Pathfinder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    Steyr wrote: »
    So if this Nation was attacked, Invaded etc etc how do you think we would fare out? Would we be any good?


    Due to the republics strategic position as a gateway to NATO's western flank, the republic is under unofficial NATO protection.

    There are various NATO admirals and generals who have commented Ireland's strategic importance and that of its surrounding sea and air space.

    ...Basically a Sinn Fein all Ireland govt with Cuban missile bases aint ever gonna happen.

    ..............Thank God for MI5.


  • #21
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,456 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    So did anyone actually go find and read Dark Rose as a result of this thread?

    NTM


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  • #22
    Tenger
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    Pathfinder wrote: »
    ...Basically a Sinn Fein all Ireland govt with Cuban missile bases aint ever gonna happen.

    But perhaps that would give us hot dancing ladies,nice cocktail bars and retro vehicles rather than all those feckin 4x4s with 2 infants in the back


  • #23
    cyrusdvirus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    Bramble wrote: »
    Oh dear God.This book is so bad its actually good (if you know what I mean) The plot is worse than an american soap.I still get slagged by my mates every now and then for reading that book(10 year ago in college)
    It is farcical but addictive. I love the bit where the RUC/MI6 gather the IRA heads up north and tell them that they cannot get involved. Otherwise 'the gloves come off' feck it, give them each a gun and send them south!!
    And the US marine colonel called Kowalski,who once knew a barmaid in an irish bar in Boston. but still joined up to CeltForce.
    I even think the heroine/last decendent of the high kings of Ulster is called Kitty or something like that, and has red hair.

    heheheheheheh

    Now you're making me want to buy it just to re-read it!! maybe we should get ourselves a boards.ie library..put it in there, for anyone who has read this thread!!:D


  • #24
    Lockstep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    So did anyone actually go find and read Dark Rose as a result of this thread?

    NTM
    I've been looking for it but havn't found it yet.

    Curses


  • #25
    H.O.T.A.S.
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭H.O.T.A.S.


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    So did anyone actually go find and read Dark Rose as a result of this thread?

    NTM

    Sounds hilarious so I got a second hand copy on ebay for €7. Haven't read a bit of yarn in a while so might as well give it a go


  • #26
    cyrusdvirus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    H.O.T.A.S. wrote: »
    Sounds hilarious so I got a second hand copy on ebay for €7. Haven't read a bit of yarn in a while so might as well give it a go

    Excellent!!

    Dibs on it after you!!! :D


  • #27
    neilled
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭neilled


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    So did anyone actually go find and read Dark Rose as a result of this thread?

    NTM

    Yes, I thought I would for the laugh. Anyone who wants a cheap second hand copy can pm me!


  • #28
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,456 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Feel free to post your AARs, lads!

    NTM


  • #29
    cyrusdvirus
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    I think Dark Rose deserves it's very own thread!!


  • #30
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,456 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Already created one in After Hours.


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  • #31
    arybvtcw0eolkf
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    We'd (hopefully) fight 'the war of the flea' and beat any invaders.

    You see guys, we have what the Iraqi's and Afghan's have.

    We'd be a risen nation once again, and thats something an imperial force can not understand, whats inside the heart of a risen people.

    And its that mis-understanding which will be Britain and America's downfall in Iraq & Afghanistan, because like us, it won't mean a thing if victory is next year, in ten year's and a milllenium away, because (ultimately) victory will be our's.


  • #32
    Red Hand
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,986 ✭✭✭Red Hand


    Pffft!:rolleyes:

    Nationhood changes constantly. 1000 years ago, Ireland wasn't a nation, and in 1000 years, the odds are that Ireland will not be a nation.


  • #33
    cyrusdvirus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    Already created one in After Hours.

    linky??


  • #34
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,456 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055232811

    Kindof open to all disastrous Irishness.

    NTM


  • #35
    Kaiser_Sma
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Kaiser_Sma


    Ireland wouldn't hold up well, people are richer and softer these days. Probably won't make great geurillas. But it depends on how harsh the attacking nation is. ALso if we did have any allies left, a reinvasion would be simple. Ireland is geographically indefensible.


  • #36
    twinytwo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,338 ✭✭✭twinytwo


    Kaiser_Sma wrote: »
    Ireland wouldn't hold up well, people are richer and softer these days. Probably won't make great geurillas. But it depends on how harsh the attacking nation is. ALso if we did have any allies left, a reinvasion would be simple. Ireland is geographically indefensible.


    i beg to differ.. to say people are richer and softer is not fair..We country folk are still as tough as nails.. We are the masters of geurilla warefare.. the rangers would spread around the country and they would spear head the attacks.. Still having n.ireland is a good thing as that provides us with a valuable lifeline..Ireland is geographically the best country for a hit and run war... the brits counldnt beat us in the day so i doubt anyone else would


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  • #37
    duggie-89
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭duggie-89


    Pathfinder wrote: »
    Due to the republics strategic position as a gateway to NATO's western flank, the republic is under unofficial NATO protection.

    There are various NATO admirals and generals who have commented Ireland's strategic importance and that of its surrounding sea and air space.

    ...Basically a Sinn Fein all Ireland govt with Cuban missile bases aint ever gonna happen.

    ..............Thank God for MI5.

    ah dude you have just played your hand lol lol and your forgetting their good friends the heavy squad. like i am sure they wouldn't be to happy being left out there.

    yea ireland is in a great stragetic osition but cuba and all ireland sinn fein???????? lol that was even funnier than the book above lol

    well we would do well until they land and then it would be pure take to the hills and towns and start dealing out pain.

    the support of the people would be assumed and with the people supporting the resistance then happy days. but question what would the role of the north be???? would it be totaly closed off or would it form a kind of safe zone???


  • #38
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    twinytwo wrote: »
    i beg to differ.. to say people are richer and softer is not fair..We country folk are still as tough as nails.. We are the masters of geurilla warefare.. the rangers would spread around the country and they would spear head the attacks.. Still having n.ireland is a good thing as that provides us with a valuable lifeline..Ireland is geographically the best country for a hit and run war... the brits counldnt beat us in the day so i doubt anyone else would

    I am from Cork so I feel I have the right to say this.

    City folk in Ireland are Pussies. We couldn't fight Guerrilla Warfare for the life of us.

    The country peeps probably could fight on but everyone else would probably Ben d over and take it. I know I wouldnt but the rest of the country would.


  • #39
    duggie-89
    Closed Accounts Posts: 168 ✭✭duggie-89


    minidazzler wrote: »
    I am from Cork so I feel I have the right to say this.

    City folk in Ireland are Pussies. We couldn't fight Guerrilla Warfare for the life of us.

    The country peeps probably could fight on but everyone else would probably Ben d over and take it. I know I wouldnt but the rest of the country would.


    lol wel if you have cork covered i will have derry covered (note i am talking about country area not towns lol) and we shall take the towns one by one.

    but i think the towns will play an important role because city warfare is the hardest thing a trained army can fight agasint cause tech mean nothing at such close range.


  • #40
    Sprouts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭Sprouts


    Maybe an invasion an a full takeover by Chile Fiji or aliens might be a good thing, sure they couldn't be any worse than the pirates we have running our banana Republic at the moment.


  • #41
    Hagar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    Why not start small? There's a pretty good ferry service to the isle of Man.


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  • #42
    the GALL
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    there was a study done in the 80s(or it could have been the 70s) about the ability of the defence forces to with hold an attack on the country by a certain neighbour of ours ( and it wasn't france guess again) the out come was the army would have enough supplies for three days, then it would be white flags and hands in the air .
    the unoffical army posted their responce to this with the statment that if the goverment were short a few million rounds they'd be happy to oblidge
    TIOCFAIGH AR LAR


  • #43
    cp251
    Closed Accounts Posts: 476 ✭✭cp251


    I must look out for Dark Rose. Cue headlines: 'Dark Rose, rises in the bestseller ranks mystery?' 'Movie deal in the offing'.

    I don't think we would have much of a chance, unless the invader was a liberal democracy and one of those is unlikely to invade unless we started working on nuclear weapons and had aspirations like in the Irish Empire thread.
    So it would be real bad guy country. They would have no problem rounding up hostages and suspects and executing them. Using terror to keep the population cowed. As for guerrilla warfare, well you need weapons for that and the country is not well supplied with them. Not to mention the lack of explosives. Even the IRA's weapons are out of use.

    The only way they could be obtained would be for a friendly power to send in weapon drops. But again, most likely they would simply invade to put a stop to original invaders in the first place.


  • #44
    minidazzler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    cp251 wrote: »
    I must look out for Dark Rose. Cue headlines: 'Dark Rose, rises in the bestseller ranks mystery?' 'Movie deal in the offing'.

    I don't think we would have much of a chance, unless the invader was a liberal democracy and one of those is unlikely to invade unless we started working on nuclear weapons and had aspirations like in the Irish Empire thread.
    So it would be real bad guy country. They would have no problem rounding up hostages and suspects and executing them. Using terror to keep the population cowed. As for guerrilla warfare, well you need weapons for that and the country is not well supplied with them. Not to mention the lack of explosives. Even the IRA's weapons are out of use.

    The only way they could be obtained would be for a friendly power to send in weapon drops. But again, most likely they would simply invade to put a stop to original invaders in the first place.

    If it was the Americans they would just make themselves at home and think we all love them.


  • #45
    cp251
    Closed Accounts Posts: 476 ✭✭cp251


    minidazzler wrote: »
    If it was the Americans they would just make themselves at home and think we all love them.

    If it was the Americans we probably would love them. 51st state anyone? Cheaper petrol, cheaper cars, guns for all etc etc.

    Wasn't there a film where a tiny little country declares war on America so it can lose be occupied and then benefit from all the American aid.

    Look at Iraq, billions spent there, billions wasted. The Iraqis don't know a good thing when the see it.


    If we wanted to get invaded by America, we should perhaps get friendly with Cuba and start to threaten to ban overflights. Become a rogue nation. Soon America will invade to save us from ourselves and we will all be in gravy.:D


  • #46
    Tenger
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,927 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    cp251 wrote: »
    If we wanted to get invaded by America, we should perhaps get friendly with Cuba and start to threaten to ban overflights. Become a rogue nation. Soon America will invade to save us from ourselves and we will all be in gravy.:D
    I like that idea.We could use the US invasion to rid ourselves of the current (and last couple)generation of politicians too.


  • #47
    cp251
    Closed Accounts Posts: 476 ✭✭cp251


    Bramble wrote: »
    I like that idea.We could use the US invasion to rid ourselves of the current (and last couple)generation of politicians too.

    Now there's a noble cause:cool:


  • #48
    Kess73
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    Pffft Invasion my backside. There is enough firepower here in Limerick to repel any outside invasion. :D


  • #49
    knucklehead6
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    I found it on kindle the other day!!!

    It's still as bad (or as good in the so bad it's good category) as i remember


  • #50
    sparky42
    Registered Users Posts: 3,988 ✭✭✭sparky42


    knucklehead6 wrote: »
    I found it on kindle the other day!!!

    It's still as bad (or as good in the so bad it's good category) as i remember


    Oh God, I read that a decade or so ago... Words failed me then and now thanks for the memories...


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