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How would we fare out?

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  • 18-01-2008 11:30pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,266 ✭✭✭


    So if this Nation was attacked, Invaded etc etc how do you think we would fare out? Would we be any good?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 173 ✭✭MikeyNT


    Guerilla warfare....works every time....well it did almost 90 years ago anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 261 ✭✭next


    we'd be fine we could all hide in the shed at the bottom of Bono's garden


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭guinnessdrinker


    next wrote: »
    we'd be fine we could all hide in the shed at the bottom of Bono's garden

    If we don't all fit in Bono's shed, some of us should head over to Edge's shed and tell him to bring his guitar with him so we can be distracted until the invasion is over.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,263 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    There was a research paper put out once, oh, about ten years back, by an academic by the name of Mike Lunnon-Wood, under the title of "Dark Rose". The hypothesis was a complete invasion and occupation of Ireland by Chile. Or Argentina. One of those two. They were pretending to be Spanish students.*

    You may find it in your local library, ISBN-10: 0261673947

    If you have read this document, and survived without dying of laughter or shock, I offer you my heartiest congratulations.

    NTM

    *I'm not kidding. You'd have thought someone would have queried the AK-47s or at least the T-72s, but no.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,739 ✭✭✭✭minidazzler


    At the moment probably badly.

    I think that when the occifers are being trained up in the Curragh they should be trained to set up underground resistance movements.

    ie Sleeper Cells that can operate completely independant of the world.

    they should be told the details of a Bank account so that they can purchase Guns and Ammunition.

    They should be shown how to train people to be guerrillas, and to kill in all manners while giving no quarter.

    they should be able to just drift away when it seems like Ireland is being over run adn take as many trained men as possible (so they dont have to train them)


    They should all be trained in explosives and other means. They should be "Hiroo Onodo" as dedicated.

    They should only stop when they see a proper elected Irishman take the country back.

    They should have the ability to spot a high value target and stop at nothing(short of killing a civilian) to get that target.

    Basically we should turn into the Islamic Terrorists but not killing innocent people.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,266 ✭✭✭Steyr



    They should only stop when they see a proper elected Irishman take the country back.

    Coughs**Enda**Coughs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    There was a research paper put out once, oh, about ten years back, by an academic by the name of Mike Lunnon-Wood, under the title of "Dark Rose". The hypothesis was a complete invasion and occupation of Ireland by Chile. Or Argentina. One of those two. They were pretending to be Spanish students.*

    You may find it in your local library, ISBN-10: 0261673947

    If you have read this document, and survived without dying of laughter or shock, I offer you my heartiest congratulations.

    NTM

    *I'm not kidding. You'd have thought someone would have queried the AK-47s or at least the T-72s, but no.

    Was that not a novel? I remember reading it, looked like it was inspired by the passport for sale scandal. From what i remember it was Palestinians who took over, sent all the officers etc they could find to concentration camps. They took over cos they reckoned that using the Irish American lobby to kick and scream the americans would withdraw support from Israel. It was a funny book.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    I read it too, didn't paint the Irish in a great light. Very interesting idea though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    Hagar wrote: »
    I read it too, didn't paint the Irish in a great light. Very interesting idea though.
    The novel or the research paper? Or are they one and the same?



    looks like one and the same....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    Sorry I could have been clearer, the novel, Dark Rose.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    Oops.Sorry hagar....my edit was supposed include a hyperlink to the book BEFORE the looks like one and he same comment!! Wasn't saying you were eing unclear! :o


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,263 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Yes, it was a novel. I was being a little statirical.

    For those who have not yet read it, Cliff Notes version is as follows:

    Arabs decide to hold Ireland for ransom in exchange for Palestine. Libyan Arabs living in Chile pretending to be Spanish Students overrun Ireland, in conjunction with PLO, with the aid of tanks/APCs/whatever. (Most valid point in book: Most Irish people couldn't tell one of their own tanks from a foreign one). Irish Armed Forces surrender without a fight. Eithne scuttled in harbour, one Peacock escapes to the UK. Free Irish Battalion remains in UNIFIL. Instead of simply going around the corner to Palestine and making havoc, they also go to the UK. First act of resistance caused by an old man on a tractor who blocks the road of a Libyan convoy. They used to do that to me all the time, I've no idea why it wasn't considered a militia act against me. Peacock goes around acting the pirate to any Libyan cargo vessels. When one cargo vessel shoots back, is reliant on escorting British destroyer.

    So, for whatever political reason, the US/UK/etc cannot take sides. They do, however, grant leaves of absence for any troops of Celtic descent (Or who dated an Irish woman once) to go be mercenaries. British SAS finds the last remaining descendant of the High Kings of Tara, and she is declared Queen of Ireland, and Commander in Chief of "Celt Force". Some equipment (Tanks, fighters, Aircraft Carrier Battle Groups) reflagged under Irish military colours for the duration.

    Cue counter-invasion, general high-intensity combat, Mullingar gets hit by some FAEs (No loss there), and the Free Irish Battalion, filled with blood lust, take no prisoners. End with Victory parade to College Green.

    I think that should about cover it.

    NTM


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    Yes, it was a novel. I was being a little statirical.

    For those who have not yet read it, Cliff Notes version is as follows:

    Arabs decide to hold Ireland for ransom in exchange for Palestine. Libyan Arabs living in Chile pretending to be Spanish Students overrun Ireland, in conjunction with PLO, with the aid of tanks/APCs/whatever. (Most valid point in book: Most Irish people couldn't tell one of their own tanks from a foreign one). Irish Armed Forces surrender without a fight. Eithne scuttled in harbour, one Peacock escapes to the UK. Free Irish Battalion remains in UNIFIL. Instead of simply going around the corner to Palestine and making havoc, they also go to the UK. First act of resistance caused by an old man on a tractor who blocks the road of a Libyan convoy. They used to do that to me all the time, I've no idea why it wasn't considered a militia act against me. Peacock goes around acting the pirate to any Libyan cargo vessels. When one cargo vessel shoots back, is reliant on escorting British destroyer.

    So, for whatever political reason, the US/UK/etc cannot take sides. They do, however, grant leaves of absence for any troops of Celtic descent (Or who dated an Irish woman once) to go be mercenaries. British SAS finds the last remaining descendant of the High Kings of Tara, and she is declared Queen of Ireland, and Commander in Chief of "Celt Force". Some equipment (Tanks, fighters, Aircraft Carrier Battle Groups) reflagged under Irish military colours for the duration.

    Cue counter-invasion, general high-intensity combat, Mullingar gets hit by some FAEs (No loss there), and the Free Irish Battalion, filled with blood lust, take no prisoners. End with Victory parade to College Green.

    I think that should about cover it.

    NTM

    Jesus Mainc, that post had me pissing myself!! I am going to put down Beaver's "Stalingrad" and go get me a copy of that book!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭tonyj_mc


    Jesus Mainc, that post had me pissing myself!! I am going to put down Beaver's "Stalingrad" and go get me a copy of that book!

    amazon have it, have to pick up a copy :)

    Dark Rose (Paperback)
    by Mike Lunnon-Wood (Author)

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    7 used & new available from £0.45


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    I was very lucky to find it for €4 on a second hand bookstall at a Sunday market near where I live. I must read it again. Good books are hard to find down here and I have so much stuff stolen in the post I've almost given up on mail order.


  • Registered Users Posts: 587 ✭✭✭c-90


    gurilla warfare is the way forward. all soldiers should be experts in gurilla warefare, i dont know why this hasnt been done yet

    :cool::cool::cool:


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,029 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    My own opinion would be that Ireland wouldn't do very well.

    Our position in Europe and repuation for neutrality means we have a small standing army and reservists. Guerilla warfare would probably be our best bet.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Jesus Mainc, that post had me pissing myself!! I am going to put down Beaver's "Stalingrad" and go get me a copy of that book!

    Oh dear God.This book is so bad its actually good (if you know what I mean) The plot is worse than an american soap.I still get slagged by my mates every now and then for reading that book(10 year ago in college)
    It is farcical but addictive. I love the bit where the RUC/MI6 gather the IRA heads up north and tell them that they cannot get involved. Otherwise 'the gloves come off' feck it, give them each a gun and send them south!!
    And the US marine colonel called Kowalski,who once knew a barmaid in an irish bar in Boston. but still joined up to CeltForce.
    I even think the heroine/last decendent of the high kings of Ulster is called Kitty or something like that, and has red hair.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 292 ✭✭Pathfinder


    Steyr wrote: »
    So if this Nation was attacked, Invaded etc etc how do you think we would fare out? Would we be any good?


    Due to the republics strategic position as a gateway to NATO's western flank, the republic is under unofficial NATO protection.

    There are various NATO admirals and generals who have commented Ireland's strategic importance and that of its surrounding sea and air space.

    ...Basically a Sinn Fein all Ireland govt with Cuban missile bases aint ever gonna happen.

    ..............Thank God for MI5.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,263 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    So did anyone actually go find and read Dark Rose as a result of this thread?

    NTM


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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 9,739 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Pathfinder wrote: »
    ...Basically a Sinn Fein all Ireland govt with Cuban missile bases aint ever gonna happen.

    But perhaps that would give us hot dancing ladies,nice cocktail bars and retro vehicles rather than all those feckin 4x4s with 2 infants in the back


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    Bramble wrote: »
    Oh dear God.This book is so bad its actually good (if you know what I mean) The plot is worse than an american soap.I still get slagged by my mates every now and then for reading that book(10 year ago in college)
    It is farcical but addictive. I love the bit where the RUC/MI6 gather the IRA heads up north and tell them that they cannot get involved. Otherwise 'the gloves come off' feck it, give them each a gun and send them south!!
    And the US marine colonel called Kowalski,who once knew a barmaid in an irish bar in Boston. but still joined up to CeltForce.
    I even think the heroine/last decendent of the high kings of Ulster is called Kitty or something like that, and has red hair.

    heheheheheheh

    Now you're making me want to buy it just to re-read it!! maybe we should get ourselves a boards.ie library..put it in there, for anyone who has read this thread!!:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,029 ✭✭✭Lockstep


    So did anyone actually go find and read Dark Rose as a result of this thread?

    NTM
    I've been looking for it but havn't found it yet.

    Curses


  • Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭H.O.T.A.S.


    So did anyone actually go find and read Dark Rose as a result of this thread?

    NTM

    Sounds hilarious so I got a second hand copy on ebay for €7. Haven't read a bit of yarn in a while so might as well give it a go


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    H.O.T.A.S. wrote: »
    Sounds hilarious so I got a second hand copy on ebay for €7. Haven't read a bit of yarn in a while so might as well give it a go

    Excellent!!

    Dibs on it after you!!! :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,232 ✭✭✭neilled


    So did anyone actually go find and read Dark Rose as a result of this thread?

    NTM

    Yes, I thought I would for the laugh. Anyone who wants a cheap second hand copy can pm me!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,263 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Feel free to post your AARs, lads!

    NTM


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    I think Dark Rose deserves it's very own thread!!


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,263 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Already created one in After Hours.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    We'd (hopefully) fight 'the war of the flea' and beat any invaders.

    You see guys, we have what the Iraqi's and Afghan's have.

    We'd be a risen nation once again, and thats something an imperial force can not understand, whats inside the heart of a risen people.

    And its that mis-understanding which will be Britain and America's downfall in Iraq & Afghanistan, because like us, it won't mean a thing if victory is next year, in ten year's and a milllenium away, because (ultimately) victory will be our's.


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