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  • #242
    Karoma
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,396 ✭✭✭✭Karoma


    Oh would you ever link to the thread in question?! "The taxi thread" - it's AH! Which taxi thread?! Is there a Reported Post from you that I can look for?
    Knickers off my head - clever...right back in my face. I consider myself served. Bravo.


  • #243
    Outer Bongolia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭Outer Bongolia


    Okay. At the risk of descending into personal nonsense, I just found the following a little pointless. I mean sure, I'm not stupid, I know there's a different etiquette in After Hours, as opposed to say the Politics forum. Fair enough if it's tongue in cheek and a small bit lighthearted. I don't find it witty at all, just annoying. Anyone can make a thread like that, it's oh-so-hilarious to try and be as offensive as possible while all the while staying within an alternative explanation. I hate Poles. Telegraph Poles, etc, etc. But this one really took the biscuit, descending into blatant racism towards the end. This kind of rubbish separates the Chris Morrises and Charlie Brookers of this world from the Ian O'Dohertys.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055196039


  • #244
    Karoma
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,396 ✭✭✭✭Karoma


    Oh, man, I'd settle for an Ian O'Doherty at this stage. I don't find them remotely amusing usually.

    "Fair enough if it's tongue in cheek and a small bit lighthearted." - it is. I don't see anything in there to the contrary (Bar 2 comments that a little iffy/OTT). Can you point out which posts in particular that descended into "blatant racism"? They're laughing at the muppets in AH that normally post similar crap and mean it*. If an obvious racist pops up, then good. It's a tarp! and blammo! they're gone or at the very least on the list with an infraction and will be removed the moment they put another foot wrong.



    (These people are dealt with. We try not to interfere with threads unless it's required. You cannot see infractions or PM's that we send. And we try not to go banhappy at the first un-PC comment.)


  • #245
    randylonghorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    Outer Bongolia wrote: »
    Okay. At the risk of descending into personal nonsense, I just found the following a little pointless. I mean sure, I'm not stupid, I know there's a different etiquette in After Hours, as opposed to say the Politics forum. Fair enough if it's tongue in cheek and a small bit lighthearted. I don't find it witty at all, just annoying. Anyone can make a thread like that, it's oh-so-hilarious to try and be as offensive as possible while all the while staying within an alternative explanation. I hate Poles. Telegraph Poles, etc, etc. But this one really took the biscuit, descending into blatant racism towards the end. This kind of rubbish separates the Chris Morrises and Charlie Brookers of this world from the Ian O'Dohertys.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055196039
    Ffs, is your irony radar on the fritz or what?

    Try reading a little more objectively, and you might realise that the racism which DOES invade AH from time to time is being satirised in the thread you quote! :rolleyes:


  • #246
    WhiteWashMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    Outer Bongolia wrote: »
    What I can't understand is the reluctance of the moderators to delete offensive posts or threads... there is a fashion on these forums to just lock the thread, resulting in the lockout of people who were interested in engaging in a proper discussion and also the preservation of dumbass comments by attention seeking halfwits who crave adoration for witty comments.

    The offensive and crass comments in the Katy French thread remain for all to see. Meanwhile, someone who wished to leave condolences, like myself, is prevented from doing so because the thread was locked. SO the retards have won, push it so far that you get the thread locked.


    How about some moderator actually develops a pair of balls and deletes the f**king thread, instead of locking it and leaving it for all to see... like the recent thread in after hours (taxi driver thread) playing about with racist double entendres, every poster trying to outdo the last with casually disguised racism.. along comes a moderator and just locks the thread??! What is the point of being a moderator if you don't step up and discourage dumbass losers with racist tendencies from having a laugh across a public forum?


    Its pretty simple.

    WE are not a moral compass for the people that use this forum. We are not here to dictate what beliefs people should have, or how they should express it.

    While there may be any number of 'distateful' jokes made, I really dont think there are many real racists remarks made in anger. And I am not about to start mass deletions of threads and posts, and mass banning of anyone who shows the slightest hint of non-PC type behavior.

    WHile this may not be acceptable to you, I can assure you that what we have in place please the vast majority of the people most of the time.


    As for members with under 25 posts being somehow targeted over anyone else, Im afraid you are clearly wrong there. I dont ban people on a regular basis. IN fact, im probably one of the mods with the least bans here, and Ive been here since these forums started. But I will ban anyone who I feels deserves it. And that has included moderators of their own forums. And I would be surprised to learn that any of the mods on any of the forums that I moderate would be any different.
    You are not your post count, and I dont give a monkies who you are. I give everyone the same treatment, and I like to think Im fair with it.

    What I dont appreciate it someone who attacks any moderator with opinions, doesnt back up any of their points, and makes clearly inaccurate arguments.


    while you may have a valid point in what you say, its a point from your point of view. It may not be shared by anyone else on the forum. That doesn't make it any less valid, but it drastically decreases the chances of your point being put forward over the other 50,000 people that use this forum regularly.


    the last point is about deletion. IM not a big fan of deleting items, and I dont accept editing other peoples posts unless completely necessary.

    If you write something, then you stick with what youve said. If you say something that someone else thinks is stupid, and reckons youre an awful twat for what youve said, then so be it. hey, at least they can avoid anything you type in future. If you dont like the attitude of certain posters, then avoid them. If you dont understand why it isnt deleted, that doesnt make it bad. it just means you dont understand.


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  • #247
    WhiteWashMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    Outer Bongolia wrote: »

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055196039

    having actually read that thread, and wiped the tears from eyes, i think you need to get you irony radar fixed, as mentioned.


    so what if something is pointless? if you want to start putting together some thought provoking threads, Id suggest you head off to any other forum bar this or TCN.

    youre not going to find any rational arguments and points. some emotive issues certainly, and occassionaly a debate has been know to break out, but if that sort of thing actually annoys you, id suggest not coming back again.

    for the good of your own health. seriously. this forum is not known for its high brow conversations.


  • #248
    Outer Bongolia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭Outer Bongolia


    Doesn't seem to be at all poking fun at people who are really racist, it actually seems pretty offensive itself?! I guess my point is, when the moderator has had enough and realises that things have gotten out of hand, he locks it. If it was all a bit of light-hearted fun, why lock it? Why not delete it if it had gone too far? That thread is not very satirical in my opinion, just ridiculously stupid


  • #249
    Karoma
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,396 ✭✭✭✭Karoma


    Terry will be the only one who can give you the definitive answer re: that thread; but I stand by his decision. You're outnumbered so far. The thread was locked in part because of 2 reported posts and probably fear of over-PC and ironically-challenged posters may take offence...Heh. Terry was right. The reporter later admitted to me that he reported it a second time out of spite because I locked his thread.
    "pointless" is a judgement call. Every.single.post. on Boards.ie could be considered "pointless". This particular thread served a point as far as I am concerned: it amused me; it was a laugh at the usual crap that is posted; it could discourage people from posting their usual crap in future. Unless it's total spam or beyond any chance of discussion ("I like cake. duh huh huh") it'll usually get a chance. Don't like it? Avoid AH and tCN and maybe set up your own boards and have blackjack and hookers.

    I stand by his decision to lock -v- delete.
    As I covered + an extra point or two, locking has the advantage over deletion:
    - a moderator can post a message at the end explaining what is wrong here.
    - a moderator can post a message at the end telling users that this is unacceptable.
    - moderators can see what posters have been up to in other fora.

    - The thread happened. We're not going to make it disappear into a memory hole. If you took offence, then you took offence - deleting makes the thread invistibul to you it doesn't re-program a bot to go back in time and prevent it from happening. If this is a feature of vB 4 then I'll reconsider matters.


  • #250
    randylonghorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    Outer Bongolia wrote: »
    If it was all a bit of light-hearted fun, why lock it?
    Probably because he guessed that there would be some people who just wouldn't get it!

    And guess what? ... he was right! :(

    And as someone who has on occasion got hot under the collar when genuine bigotry has poked its nose into AH, I'd wager my left one on the satirical intentions of that thread ... towards racist attitudes; towards those who pop up in AH with questions which they could just as easily Google to find the answer; towards the plethora of "teh baaaad taxi man!" threads which pop up from time to time ... in fact, towards quite a lot of the typical muppetry which pops up in AH from time to time.

    In fact, it only seems to have missed out on the "how often did you fap / shoite / piss / shag behind the bikeshed when you were at school?" genre ... an oversight on the OP's part, no doubt!


  • #251
    Outer Bongolia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭Outer Bongolia


    Goodnight sirs. I have registered my displeasure and there the matter rests. By the way Karoma it wasn't an attack on you.


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  • #252
    Karoma
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,396 ✭✭✭✭Karoma


    I took it more objectively after your first two posts or so. I don't appreciate being called a coward or having any other AH moderator called such. No grudge here. Your feedback has been noted. Please report posts that you think the contravene AH charter and spirit. We try to at least discuss them if we don't act on them.


  • #253
    Jesus Wept
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    randylonghorn wrote: »
    Probably because he guessed that there would be some people who just wouldn't get it!

    And guess what? ... he was right! :(

    And as someone who has on occasion got hot under the collar when genuine bigotry has poked its nose into AH, I'd wager my left one on the satirical intentions of that thread ... towards racist attitudes; towards those who pop up in AH with questions which they could just as easily Google to find the answer; towards the plethora of "teh baaaad taxi man!" threads which pop up from time to time ... in fact, towards quite a lot of the typical muppetry which pops up in AH from time to time.

    In fact, it only seems to have missed out on the "how often did you fap / shoite / piss / shag behind the bikeshed when you were at school?" genre ... an oversight on the OP's part, no doubt!

    Sadly both your liathroidi shall remain intact. :p

    My intentions in that thread have been correctly identified by Koroma, WhiteWashMan and RandyShortHorn.


  • #254
    WhiteWashMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    well, a lot of people registered their displeasure at monty pythons flying circus when it first came out, and i consider it to still be one of the greatest examples of comic genius that has ever graced thei airwaves.

    your displeasure has been noticed, and it has been registered. unfotunately for you i guess, it will not be acted on purely because i think most people here wont agree with you. and its a forum for all of boards.ie users.


  • #255
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Oh, right. That thread.

    I locked it because it wasn't as funny as the OP thought it was.
    I was just going to attract trolls, people who didn't get the joke and people who got it, but didn't think it was funny and wanted to have a go at the OP for starting a thread with several contentious topics in one post.

    I generally only delete spam and potentially libellous posts. The rest are left, as Karoma said, for mods from other forums to see what a potentially trouble-making member has posted elsewhere.

    I'm sorry your sensibilities were offended.
    Perhaps you should go about your daily business with your eyes closed, lest something else upset you.

    In all seriousness, people can be **** in all walks of life.
    Deleting a post does not make the person who made the post any less of a wanker.


  • #256
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    WhiteWashMan wrote: »
    well, a lot of people registered their displeasure at monty pythons flying circus when it first came out, and i consider it to still be one of the greatest examples of comic genius that has ever graced thei airwaves.

    your displeasure has been noticed, and it has been registered. unfotunately for you i guess, it will not be acted on purely because i think most people here wont agree with you. and its a forum for all of boards.ie users.
    A prime example being "The life of Brian" being banned in this country at the time of release.
    That didn't stop people from obtaining copies of it from abroad.

    Ni.


  • #257
    WhiteWashMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    Terry wrote: »
    A prime example being "The life of Brian" being banned in this country at the time of release.
    That didn't stop people from obtaining copies of it from abroad.

    Ni.

    Ni came from the holy grail.

    ****ing philistine.


  • #258
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    I know where Ni came from.
    Are you questioning my python knowledge?


    Peng.


  • #259
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Definitely discourage nonsensical posting

    "I have nothing to contribute to this thread but it looks interesting so im going to subscribe to it! :) "

    and yes thats an actual quote I robbed from a PI thread... but ye get me. All these Quotes +1 and the posts made purely for the sake of Yore Ma. Some of these threads are hell to read cos its usually 2 pages of material and 10 pages of spamburgers.

    And yeah - i think some guidelines on racism need to be addressed. If its not the Americans its the Polish or African Refugees. Some remotely work-friendly political correctness would be nice. I mean if you want to say Americans seem stupid then back it up with facts/theories and even then recall your talking generally about a very large group of people. If you go to the PI board for example if you so much as cracked a sex joke in there you're banned for a week, and yet you could plough on with an array of racial slurr in here before the moderators ever cocked their eyebrow.

    And wtf is up with all these polling threads as of late? @do you smoke weed' 'do you snort coke' 'do you shoot heroin' 'do you support marijuana legislation' 'does this dress make my dog look fat'.... lets keep the threads nice and varied ;)

    EDIT: and too often the threads fly off the wall - look at this one! its supposed to be about AH improvements and the last page is a discussion about a user's locked thread that could be taken elsewhere, no?


  • #260
    Fighting Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    Lets lock all the interesting threads, mods on boards really need to chillaxe a bit


  • #261
    Pighead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    Outer Bongolia wrote: »
    What I can't understand is the reluctance of the moderators to delete offensive posts or threads...
    Fighting Irish wrote: »
    Lets lock all the interesting threads, mods on boards really need to chillaxe a bit

    Damned if you fcuking do and damned if you fcuking don't! Who'd be an After Hours Mod eh?



    Pighead will do it.


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  • #262
    Fighting Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    Pighead wrote: »
    Damned if you fcuking do and damned if you fcuking don't! Who'd be an After Hours Mod eh?



    Pighead will do it.

    Its gotten to the stage where you're not allowed have an argument with someone, and the only threads allowed in AH are "When was the last time you won money on a scratchy" "Christmas songs already! its only November" :rolleyes:


  • #263
    Fighting Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    Mods should let AH go wild for a week or two and see how it gets on

    Whats the worse that could happen


  • #264
    Pighead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    Fighting Irish wrote: »
    Its gotten to the stage where you're not allowed have an argument with someone, and the only threads allowed in AH are "When was the last time you won money on a scratchy"
    Pighead hears ya buddy. Those crappy threads which go "Ooooooh everybody, look at me I got 3 stars woo woo woo, i'm the fcuking man" make Pighead wanna vomit all over his brand new vostro laptops screen.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054975369


  • #265
    Fighting Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    Pighead wrote: »
    Pighead hears ya buddy. Those crappy threads which go "Ooooooh everybody, look at me I got 3 stars woo woo woo, i'm the fcuking man" make Pighead wanna vomit all over his brand new vostro laptops screen.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054975369

    What do you expect, its the only type of thread allowed :D

    anyways thats not the same as the "threads" i was talking about


  • #266
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Overheal wrote:
    And yeah - i think some guidelines on racism need to be addressed. If its not the Americans its the Polish or African Refugees. Some remotely work-friendly political correctness would be nice. I mean if you want to say Americans seem stupid then back it up with facts/theories and even then recall your talking generally about a very large group of people. If you go to the PI board for example if you so much as cracked a sex joke in there you're banned for a week, and yet you could plough on with an array of racial slurr in here before the moderators ever cocked their eyebrow.
    What do you consider to be racist?
    Have you got any examples of this racism?

    This is AH, not PI. Different forums. Different audience looking for diffent things.
    Overheal wrote:
    And wtf is up with all these polling threads as of late? @do you smoke weed' 'do you snort coke' 'do you shoot heroin' 'do you support marijuana legislation' 'does this dress make my dog look fat'.... lets keep the threads nice and varied
    It starts off with one person making a comment about weed. Then it descends into an arguement over legalisation, then someone thinks it would be a great idea to start a new thread on a closely related topic. This is then followed up by someone else trying to be witty by starting another semi-related thread, which isn't really funny at all.

    You can put any topic in there. It just so happens to be drugs this week (we get a lot of anti-establishment teenagers here, some of whom have just started college. Then they leave college, get jobs, settle down in the suburbs and turn their noses up at the guys on the corner smoking weed, because they would never do that themselves. Oh no.).
    Overheal wrote:
    EDIT: and too often the threads fly off the wall - look at this one! its supposed to be about AH improvements and the last page is a discussion about a user's locked thread that could be taken elsewhere, no?
    Not much harm in a small bit of banter. It's fine as long as the whole thread isn't taken off topic with "lolololol ol ol ur so funy" type crap.
    Pighead wrote:
    Who'd be an After Hours Mod eh?



    Pighead will do it.
    Be careful what you wish for.
    Fighting Irish wrote:
    Mods should let AH go wild for a week or two and see how it gets on

    Whats the worse that could happen
    I've often wondered that myself.
    Fighting Irish wrote:
    What do you expect, its the only type of thread allowed :D

    anyways thats not the same as the "threads" i was talking about
    No. You are referring to the Katy French one.
    The problem there was that some people couldn't keep within the rules and ruined it for everyone else.
    There are forums for sick jokes. AH is not that forum. Of course, everyone wants to be a comedian. Everyone wants others to laugh at their jokes. Everyone wants to be seen. Pretty much like the person they decided to take the piss out of.
    Of course, most of them just don't see the irony in it.


  • #267
    Fighting Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    No. You are referring to the Katy French one.
    The problem there was that some people couldn't keep within the rules and ruined it for everyone else.
    There are forums for sick jokes. AH is not that forum. Of course, everyone wants to be a comedian. Everyone wants others to laugh at their jokes. Everyone wants to be seen. Pretty much like the person they decided to take the piss out of.
    Of course, most of them just don't see the irony in it.

    Not in particular, i brought this up a while back as well, too many threads are closed because members don't agree on a subject and mods think the best thing to do is just lock the thread, its the easiest thing to do but not the best, do you use any other off topic/after hours forums on the net?
    How do you find them compared to boards AH?


  • #268
    Outer Bongolia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 258 ✭✭Outer Bongolia


    The moderators should look at this page, it might teach them



    how to grow a beard


  • #269
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Fighting Irish wrote: »
    Not in particular, i brought this up a while back as well, too many threads are closed because members don't agree on a subject and mods think the best thing to do is just lock the thread, its the easiest thing to do but not the best,
    What do you think is the best way to go about this?
    do you use any other off topic/after hours forums on the net?
    Yes.
    How do you find them compared to boards AH?
    Crap.


  • #270
    Fighting Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,062 ✭✭✭Fighting Irish


    Terry wrote: »
    What do you think is the best way to go about this?

    Just take it easy a bit, all you have to do is look at the rules/charter to see how out of hand its gotten http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=304451
    You don't need that many rules for a offtopic/after hours message board
    Terry wrote:
    Crap.

    If you want i'll pm you a link to an offtopic/after hours forum that is relaxed as hell and runs very smoothly, yes it gets its usual amount of total crap threads thats to be expected but its top class. They have no problems and only have a couple rules, and even they are relaxed enough


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  • #271
    WhiteWashMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    Fighting Irish wrote: »
    Just take it easy a bit, all you have to do is look at the rules/charter to see how out of hand its gotten http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=304451
    You don't need that many rules for a offtopic/after hours message board

    and how many of them are really enforced?

    this is the most chilled open forum on this site.

    to be honest, i havent read your list of complaints. ive dealt with too much of your crap in the past and quite frankly, youre probably trolling, or doing your usual moaning and pissing without backing anything up.

    so, excuse if i dont respond to anything else.


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