How do you like AH?

Ruu_Old

AH=After Hours.

copacetic

JohnnyStones wrote: »

+1

-3

Baron_Kunkel

Ruu wrote: »

AH=After Hours.

Of course.:o

WhiteWashMan

Karoma wrote: »

This practise by some users to simply a post and add "+1" or "QFT" ... do you want it gone?

not really.
i dont see anything wrong with it.

is this not just another small thing that gets on peoples nerves, but really, you could just pass over it without it actually needing to trouble your day?

this is AH after all. if people agree, i dont see why there should be a need to add some long reasoning behind why you agree with someone about something.

Karoma wrote: »

I personally don't enjoy thrawling through a thread where 5 - 10 posts that are simple echoes.

/shrugs

im not here to make sure i have a wonderful reading experience

Karoma wrote: »

It'd encourage people to build on a previous users arguement, etc. and hopefully raise the bar as a result?
What say you?

really?

this is AH we are talking about remember. its not about 'raising the bar'. the bar is raised in several hundred other fora. AH doesnt need any bar raising.

unless you have some other issue on your agenda you havent mentioned yet?

Karoma wrote: »

Not really...no. Do you really feel the need to make it known that you agree and couldn't do it without adding your own 2c on top?/QUOTE]

actually, i do

i dont want to write an essay just becuase someone else feels i must. which is essentially what youre saying.

its also going to be a pain in the ass to moderate. thats the problem with rules. you have to back them up.
thats why i have implemented as few rules as possible on this forum. i know you chaps have added your own, and i let you deal with those, but i dont enforce them.

i dont have the time or the inclination to sort out rules like 'you must have an answer that is 4 words minimum in any post'.
it just seems like an absurd waste of time, and a rule made up because some people got annoyed over something pretty inconsequential.

oh, and dont forget all the feedback threads youd get with something like that. the 'my post was deleted' or 'i got banned for posting' threads, and id find it pretty hard to stand behind banning someone for that sort of decision.

but, if a lot of people feel that way, why not stick up a new thread and a poll and ask the people. if it gets implemented, then the people have only themselves to blame. you vote bertie, you get bertie

copacetic

WhiteWashMan wrote: »

you vote bertie, you get bertie

is bertie up for AH mod?

Karoma

I'm not saying that they have to write an essay - it is AH after all, just something a little bit more substantial than a few characters and a quote. It's something that has been raised in places here and there in AH threads and Humour suffered from "lol"-attacks and one would think it's more disruptive to discussion in a general discussion forum. I'll enforce any rule that is agreed upon (With some flexibility - we're not talking instant bans), as ever.

(For clarification: "Raise the bar" = reduce noise, not necessarily implying that the signal would be improved directly, just enough for it to get through.)

To use the pub chat analogy: We're in the pub, having a discussion(About crap-let's not pretend it's anything deep) - and a handful of people just jump in with "yeah." or "me too." repeatedly in every discussion, without adding anything else... that gets pretty annoying; they obviously cannot talk over another person in the discussion but that can get in the way a bit... One obviously wouldn't have much problem with someone that does it the odd time - it's natural.

unless you have some other issue on your agenda you havent mentioned yet?

you'll know when the time is right *scuttles away - lizard style*

_blank_

Baron_Kunkel wrote: »

Of course.:o

See?

This is exactly what I was on about

_blank_

Oh, and by the way Terry.

A "cold" or "the flu" isn't an excuse for non pint buying.

Tha Gopher

biko wrote: »

Fine imo, I'll keep reporting Dublin threads in my spare time

Are you just jealous Galway is such a soaking wet hole that Cromwell considered it a place worse than hell?

Did someone tell Karoma to stop power tripping? He doesnt lock/ban half as much these days.

Lifting the ban on personal abuse would weed out the tards who hide behind it as well.

WhiteWashMan

Karoma wrote: »

I'm not saying that they have to write an essay - it is AH after all, just something a little bit more substantial than a few characters and a quote.

so, whats your idea on what is 'substantial'? what are you going to do if people dont agree with your definition of substantial?

Karoma wrote: »

It's something that has been raised in places here and there in AH threads and Humour suffered from "lol"-attacks and one would think it's more disruptive to discussion in a general discussion forum.

ive seen it mentioned a few times, and ive mentioned it myself. but the only thing ive really ever seen happen is one of the mods went on a stupid 'yore ma' spree.
which annoyed me more than somone simply adding a 'lol' or +1 in a post.

Karoma wrote: »

(For clarification: "Raise the bar" = reduce noise, not necessarily implying that the signal would be improved directly, just enough for it to get through.)

why does the bar even need raising?

Karoma wrote: »

To use the pub chat analogy: We're in the pub, having a discussion(About crap-let's not pretend it's anything deep) - and a handful of people just jump in with "yeah." or "me too." repeatedly in every discussion, without adding anything else... that gets pretty annoying; they obviously cannot talk over another person in the discussion but that can get in the way a bit... One obviously wouldn't have much problem with someone that does it the odd time - it's natural.

so, to keep your analogy, youd actually tell someone in the pub to shut up just becuase you think they hadnt offered anything worthwhile other than to agree witha point you made a couple of times?

how often is too often to not offer anything worthwhile?
and again, i guess it comes back to what your definition of worthwhile is. and whether anyone else agrees with it...

the gopher wrote:

Lifting the ban on personal abuse would weed out the tards who hide behind it as well.

no, it would just allow you to abuse people openly. thunderdome is open and available to you for that particular type of sport.

Dsef wrote:

See?

This is exactly what I was on about

actually, i didnt even notice until you pointed it out. i learned long ago to just skip this stuff.

Terry

WhiteWashMan wrote:

ive seen it mentioned a few times, and ive mentioned it myself. but the only thing ive really ever seen happen is one of the mods went on a stupid 'yore ma' spree.
which annoyed me more than somone simply adding a 'lol' or +1 in a post.

Sorry about that.
In fairness, I was doing it to prove a point.
At the time, "yore ma" had become rampant in every thread. (sorry about the wording. I'm hungover and I have a chest infection (DesF, I'm afraid it is an excuse this time. I'll get you again))
I used that account to post "yore ma" in lots of threads to show how annoying it is when it pops up all the time and I believe it worked.
Incidents of threads being swamped with "yore ma" jokes have all but died out, but AH is still going. Going stronger than ever, if you ask me. Although, that's probably more to do with the speed increase than anything else.

WhiteWashMan

Terry wrote: »

Incidents of threads being swamped with "yore ma" jokes have all but died out, but AH is still going.

i actually dont think its becuase of that.

i think its becuase things go in circles, fads come and go, cat pictures get replaces by mannities, etc etc.

AH keeps going becuase its a good place to post a load of bollocks, we dont ahve a load of rules and we dont get overly upset at the use of 'yore ma'

MooseJam

talking about having to post substantial replies is daft when most of the threads are about which way you wipe your arse or what colour turd you dropped this morning.

copacetic

WhiteWashMan wrote: »

we dont get overly upset at the use of 'yore ma'

glad to hear it, she told me you were gonna be pretty upset...

I like it just fine. Thanks for asking.

WhiteWashMan

MooseJam wrote: »

talking about having to post substantial replies is daft when most of the threads are about which way you wipe your arse or what colour turd you dropped this morning.

QFT tbh



i cant help. i agree with the sentiment. what more should i type to make this post more 'substantial'?




dont get me wrong on this, i like the debate and i like the feedback, its all good.
oh, and just because i question the suggestions made, doesnt mean that something wont get implemented. im only debating the subjects people bring up

copacetric wrote:

glad to hear it, she told me you were gonna be pretty upset...

i thought you and yore ma didnt talk much? she doesnt talk to me much either, but then again, its rude to speak with your mouth full...

Karoma

WWM wrote:

so, whats your idea on what is 'substantial'? what are you going to do if people dont agree with your definition of substantial?

Then I press down harder on their throats with my boots. Seriously, going around in circles: "substantial" is anything more than "QFT" or "+1". If someone feels compelled enough to make it clear that they do agree with the previous poster, they type words (Not l33tspeak, not txtspk, not silly abbreviations) and who know: maybe, just maybe, it'll occurr to them to append another sentiment or thought to the post?

The pub analogy: Personally? I'm a prick - I cannot say for definite that I wouldn't insult them or tell them to shut up. I might not tell them to shut up, if they were saying something worthwhile; however, I may also be less inclined to listen to them.

"Raise the bar" => To get us away from threads that have a 'yore ma' or 'qft' and the counter-attacks / requests by others to stop posting it = 3 or 4 posts in a thread that adds very little to the discussion - i.e. it does not progress. QFT and +1 get fewer complaints and are in-context so it's excusable. We let the 'yore ma' thing slide when it is actually in-context and not spammed everywhere.
When is it too much? When we actually notice a particular poster using it (in every fourth thread or more (And subsequent searching and checking as usual to confirm it.) if you insist on some inane quantity. I'm not talking a hard-and-fast rule just a guideline to deal with posters that fluff threads for the sake of it, or drag up old threads to do it...OK,that one I want to be ban for:) )

I have no problem with the questioning of it - I questioned it before posting the suggestion, and am still questioning it. The suggestion was thrown to the floor because of the number of posts I've encountered complaining about it, mostly. I was swayed by one or two uses of it that to take a dim view of it(Dragging up an old thread to simply post "+1").
If this doesn't bug you? Then, screw you and yore normality and yore better-things-to-do life.

WhiteWashMan

Karoma wrote: »

Seriously, going around in circles: "substantial" is anything more than "QFT" or "+1". If someone feels compelled enough to make it clear that they do agree with the previous poster, they type words (Not l33tspeak, not txtspk, not silly abbreviations) and who know: maybe, just maybe, it'll occurr to them to append another sentiment or thought to the post?

i only ask becuase i know theres going to be a day when you ban someone for saying +1.

and they will complain. and you will say, yeah, well i read it 30 times today.
and they will say, i only used ti once, why ban me?

and theyd be right.

you mentioned something 'substantial'. im asking yu to quantiy it, because if you put it in rules, you know it will get technical. sorry, i know it will get technical.

Karoma wrote: »

The pub analogy: Personally? I'm a prick - I cannot say for definite that I wouldn't insult them or tell them to shut up. I might not tell them to shut up, if they were saying something worthwhile; however, I may also be less inclined to listen to them.

interesting, youd learn to ignore it.

Karoma wrote: »

"Raise the bar" => To get us away from threads that have a 'yore ma' or 'qft' and the counter-attacks / requests by others to stop posting it = 3 or 4 posts in a thread that adds very little to the discussion - i.e. it does not progress. QFT and +1 get fewer complaints and are in-context so it's excusable. We let the 'yore ma' thing slide when it is actually in-context and not spammed everywhere.
When is it too much? When we actually notice a particular poster using it (in every fourth thread or more (And subsequent searching and checking as usual to confirm it.) if you insist on some inane quantity. I'm not talking a hard-and-fast rule just a guideline to deal with posters that fluff threads for the sake of it, or drag up old threads to do it...OK,that one I want to be ban for:) )

like i said, stick up a poll and find out.

Karoma wrote: »

I have no problem with the questioning of it - I questioned it before posting the suggestion, and am still questioning it. The suggestion was thrown to the floor because of the number of posts I've encountered complaining about it, mostly. I was swayed by one or two uses of it that to take a dim view of it(Dragging up an old thread to simply post "+1").
If this doesn't bug you? Then, screw you and yore normality and yore better-things-to-do life.

indeed. perhaps you need to step away from the AH forum for a while if it really gets you that riled up?

Karoma

WhiteWashMan wrote: »

i only ask becuase i know theres going to be a day when you ban someone for saying +1.

and they will complain. and you will say, yeah, well i read it 30 times today.
and they will say, i only used ti once, why ban me?

and theyd be right.

Like all those other times I've banned people for that once-off minor offense... Yeah.

you mentioned something 'substantial'. im asking yu to quantiy it, because if you put it in rules, you know it will get technical. sorry, i know it will get technical.

Thank goodness you're here or we would have fallen into that trap! I should probably read Feedback or deal with PM's from users or something from time to time... Nah. I'll just continue to ban and ignore. -_-

Of course we get tits that argue semantics and technicalities - firstly, they shouldn't be indulged. Secondly, again: I'm not talking dishing out bans for someone that uses it the odd time, just for the people that use it enough times for it to get annoying. Apply your 'common sense' rule here. I do have some, umkay?

like i said, stick up a poll and find out.

I may do. I wanted to see whether there was any strong feelings about it (I don't have any) by more than the one or two people that have voiced dissatisfaction already before creating threadwaste.

indeed. perhaps you need to step away from the AH forum for a while if it really gets you that riled up?

<- maybe I should use these more often, lest we find ourselves using too many words or braincells.

Terry

WhiteWashMan wrote:

like i said, stick up a poll and find out.

Oh, I'll stick a fúcking poll up alright.

Tigger

some where between "yore ma" and a diatribe on someonees perdsonal favorite subject is the minimum
its about direction

i think its a question of taste timing and humor

and thgeirs no accounting for any of them

if someones not trying then by all means show them the door

nesf

WhiteWashMan wrote: »

i cant help. i agree with the sentiment. what more should i type to make this post more 'substantial'?

+1

Sometimes you have an opinion on something and find that someone else has posted it, or there's a point you think is important and you want to highlight it and concur with it and you don't have anything more to add beyond your agreement with the poster you're quoting. If all a poster ever does is quote people and say "+1", sure that might need fixing but I think that sometimes such posts work very well within the context of the thread.


That, and getting rid of +1's and lol's isn't going to improve the signal to noise ratio really.

Hagar

Sometimes the noise is the signal. A bit Zen I know but there you go.

pretty-in-pink

The stn is always going to be high, across boards in general. To reduce it would need some sort of 24 hour robot super mod. which wouldn't work. AH is fun, with a twist of responsibilty. Its become less silly now, all in all you guys do good woork, especially when you consider the traffic you get.

Terry

Sweet.
I just got rid of that last bit of spare rib from between my teeth.

ManBearPig.

pretty-in-pink

Is AH in danger of becoming a police state? Say its not so.....Its one of the few relaxed fun places, where you can have a laugh. The pub analogy is pretty accurate for it. Except less of the drunken BS

WhiteWashMan

Terry wrote: »

Oh, I'll stick a fúcking poll up alright.

youve been drinking again, havent you?

hagar wrote:

sometimes the noise is the signal. A bit Zen I know but there you go.

deep.


very very deep.

sometimes i dream that if the noise was gone, i might not like the signal that i get.

sometimes i dream of blonde twins going down on me. for some reason, one of them is a bloke. oh well, as along as i keep my eyes closed....

randylonghorn

WhiteWashMan wrote: »

sometimes i dream of blonde twins going down on me. for some reason, one of them is a bloke. oh well, as along as i keep my eyes closed....

+1

Wait ... what?! O_o

Oh, feck it!

/closes eyes

Terry

WhiteWashMan wrote: »

youve been drinking again, havent you?

Yep.

Jackz

pretty-in-pink wrote: »

Is AH in danger of becoming a police state? Say its not so.....Its one of the few relaxed fun places, where you can have a laugh. The pub analogy is pretty accurate for it. Except less of the drunken BS

Yup

Since when do you get a warning or wherever it is for any use of yore ma.

Since when does a mod decide when we can start talking about Christmas.

Thread closed discussing a site in France that successfully showed it wasn't responsible for the posts by it's users.

The only question is Terry or Karoma for police chief?

:cool: