[US/IRL] 3X16 - "One Of Us" [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

scojones · 15-04-2007 10:57PM

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OH MY GOD WHAT AN ENDING!?!!!

I didn't see that coming, at all. Probably because I think Juliette is the hottest thing EVER. An excellent episode tbh.

15-04-2007 11:03PM

5

not bad.
Watchable in fact.
cynical ending though.

15-04-2007 11:07PM

Quick question regarding the ending;

Was the knot Juliet tied at the end made out of human hair? I'm asking as I found it odd they focused in on it so much.

Anyways, fantastic ending. I really liked how they turned things around.

Mellor · 15-04-2007 11:54PM

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mr_angry wrote:

This episode was really notable for the number of revelations they made implicitly. For example, we now know that there was media coverage of the loss of flight 815.
Did you think they're wouldn't be coverage, if a plane from a major airline goes missing, they still notice.

Rousseau is an interesting case. They mentioned that Claire still needed treatment, despite not conceiving on the island. This would imply that both Rousseau and Sun would need similar treatment, regardless of whether conception took place on the island or not. This contrasts a bit with Juliette's description of the problems occuring at conception.
I took that part as a lie, claire didnt need treatment. The ptoblem really is at conception, as juilette wouldn't need to lie to ben about it three years ago. Rousseau concieved off the island, as probably wouldn't travel about with a infant, was probaby very early pregnancy. Ans sun may or may not need treatment depending on when she concieved.

I'm not really sure how thats gonna pan out. Interestingly, Rousseau described a "sickness", but seemed to indicate that the male members of her crew had it. Similarly, Desmond was busy innoculating himself against something that Dharma believed was out there. Is it possible that the cause of the issue is something to do with the males, rather than the females?
I think he believed what Kevlin told him

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Mr.Nice Guy · 15-04-2007 11:58PM

7

Was a very good episode but I'm not as blown away by it as some people seem to be. I wouldn't rate it a 9 as most have. I gave it an 8.

Maybe it's because I was convinced from the start that Juliet was an Other. Sayid is always right about these things and Jack is a sucker for the wrong women!

I said after last week's episode that I felt Juliet was sent there as a way to get to Aaron and I think that's what's happening.

With all this talk of fertility on the island, I'm starting to think that the reason Kate and Sawyer were taken was so that Sawyer could impregnate Kate. Ben did say to Juliet that they would "find more pregnant women" and a while ago Pickett remarked that "Sheppard wasn't on Jacob's list".

We learned recently that Kate befriended the woman that Sawyer got pregnant so it would be quite a twist if Kate herself ended up pregnant asa result of Sawyer.

What is puzzling to me is the episode where Juliet showed Jack a tape asking him to kill Ben. It would now appear that this was a plan by both Ben and Juliet. But why? I recall Ben telling Jack "I want you to want to save me". I'm thinking Ben's cancer was a result of Jacob and that Ben had to see if Jack was a good person or not.

I'm looking forward to next week's ep. Desmond features in it and he's always interesting. :cool:

Mellor · 16-04-2007 12:09AM

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I think she was just tying a knot

What is puzzling to me is the episode where Juliet showed Jack a tape asking him to kill Ben. It would now appear that this was a plan by both Ben and Juliet. But why? I recall Ben telling Jack "I want you to want to save me". I'm thinking Ben's cancer was a result of Jacob and that Ben had to see if Jack was a good person or not.

I took it that the whole incident was set up on order to get Jack to trust juilette,
then the sub incident
then they get to the island.

ZiabR · 16-04-2007 12:15AM

8

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

Was a very good episode but I'm not as blown away by it as some people seem to be. I wouldn't rate it a 9 as most have. I gave it an 8.

Maybe it's because I was convinced from the start that Juliet was an Other. Sayid is always right about these things and Jack is a sucker for the wrong women!

I said after last week's episode that I felt Juliet was sent there as a way to get to Aaron and I think that's what's happening.

With all this talk of fertility on the island, I'm starting to think that the reason Kate and Sawyer were taken was so that Sawyer could impregnate Kate. Ben did say to Juliet that they would "find more pregnant women" and a while ago Pickett remarked that "Sheppard wasn't on Jacob's list".

We learned recently that Kate befriended the woman that Sawyer got pregnant so it would be quite a twist if Kate herself ended up pregnant asa result of Sawyer.

What is puzzling to me is the episode where Juliet showed Jack a tape asking him to kill Ben. It would now appear that this was a plan by both Ben and Juliet. But why? I recall Ben telling Jack "I want you to want to save me". I'm thinking Ben's cancer was a result of Jacob and that Ben had to see if Jack was a good person or not.

I'm looking forward to next week's ep. Desmond features in it and he's always interesting. :cool:

I have said before that i think Jacob gave Jack the tumor as punishment for something. That something has not been revealed yet but hopefully we will find out why.

mad m · 16-04-2007 01:31AM

8

Ok great episode,but I'm lost...who is Jacob again...:rolleyes:

Creamy Goodness · 16-04-2007 01:37AM

mad m wrote:

Ok great episode,but I'm lost...who is Jacob again...:rolleyes:

we don't know, we can only speculate.

a lot of people think we've met him but i don't think we have.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 16-04-2007 01:39AM

I thought that juliet meant what she wrote in the video, but now that the sub is gona she doesn't really have a choice.. she's stuck as part of ben's family for better or for worse.. and she has just had to accept that

Anima · 16-04-2007 01:39AM

7

We don't know anything about him only his name, which has been mentioned in a few episodes here and there.

badgerbadger · 16-04-2007 01:58AM

6

good ep
still nothing about the box
it looked like there was a parachute near the plane before it split

Sad Professor · 16-04-2007 02:14AM

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Mordeth wrote:

I thought that juliet meant what she wrote in the video, but now that the sub is gona she doesn't really have a choice.. she's stuck as part of ben's family for better or for worse.. and she has just had to accept that

I agree, she definitely meant it at the time. There's no way Ben was going f**k with his own life like that, Jack could of killed him. Juliet nearly got executed for what she did, instead they made do with branding her. There's no way that was all an act. Ben's original plan to win Jack over (using Juliet) fell apart early on, he admitted that himself. I reckon she was manipulating the two of them all along.

Something more may have happened between Ben and Juliet in the 80+ days since the plane crashed on the island. But she was probably still pissed at him for not letting her go home. This episode may not have completely lifted the lid on the Juliet character but it made her motivations very clear: she wants to go home more than anything. That makes her dangerous imo.

Mr.Nice Guy · 16-04-2007 02:55AM

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Sad Professor wrote:

I agree, she definitely meant it at the time. There's no way Ben was going f**k with his own life like that, Jack could of killed him.

But Ben f*cked with his life plenty of times. In fact at one point he allowed Jack to get a gun from the weapons cabinet and taunted him about Kate sleeping with Sawyer.

Sad Professor wrote:

Juliet nearly got executed for what she did, instead they made do with branding her. There's no way that was all an act.

Considering what we know now it's very possible it was an act. In fact, based on what we know now it almost certainly was. Do you really think they would have executed someone as valuable as Juliet without Ben knowing about it? Come on that makes no sense.

Branding her was a way of having Jack trust her even more (which happened).

I think Ben summed her up perfectly with what he told Jack that day:

"Juliet doesn't care about you, Jack. It doesn't matter what she's done. No matter what you think, she's one of us."

Poor Jack is going to be left heartbroken yet again.

ZiabR · 16-04-2007 10:18AM

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Sad Professor wrote:

I agree, she definitely meant it at the time. There's no way Ben was going f**k with his own life like that, Jack could of killed him. Juliet nearly got executed for what she did, instead they made do with branding her. There's no way that was all an act. Ben's original plan to win Jack over (using Juliet) fell apart early on, he admitted that himself. I reckon she was manipulating the two of them all along.

Something more may have happened between Ben and Juliet in the 80+ days since the plane crashed on the island. But she was probably still pissed at him for not letting her go home. This episode may not have completely lifted the lid on the Juliet character but it made her motivations very clear: she wants to go home more than anything. That makes her dangerous imo.

I agree with you about her motivation. She is a danger but at the same time I feel she is a good person. She has only ever wanted to help people, but Ben has been forcing her to work on patients that keep dying. She wants to get off the Island more then anything, which she has made very clear but at the same time she does have a soft spot for Jack. I think she will not abandon the losties. She will work out that Ben will NEVER let her go and the only way she will ever get off the Island is if she be-friends people that are ultimately seeking the same goal. I think she will end up screwing Ben over.

LFCFan · 16-04-2007 11:46AM

6

I don't know why, but I think Jack knows that Juliet is deceiving them. I reckon he has a plan of his own.

MOH · 16-04-2007 12:05PM

If every woman who conceives on the island dies before giving birth, then presumably pregnant women arriving on the island would be hugely valauble for a researcher like Juliet - if she could gather data on them during their pregnancy it might help her find out what's going wrong.
If you assume she was lying about Ethan helping Claire, he may instead have been extracting biopsy samples for her research. The kidnapping could have been to give them time to examine her in more detail, or maybe Juliet told the truth about that and Ethan panicked when he was exposed.
They also may have taken the opportunity to implant whatever it was in case they ever needed a way in to the Losties camp.

But Claire was well into her pregnancy when she arrived. If the Others know about her, Sun would be far more valuable.
If she was pregnant before she arrived, she'll be a more valuable source of information for Juliet, which would be a good reason for infiltrating her into the camp.
Or if she got pregnant on the island, it's a chance for Juliet to use whatever she learned from Claire to try to keep her alive.

And she has a strong motivation for going along with Ben in this: if she does succeed in keeping a pregnant woman alive through childbirth, her work will be completed, and she'll be allowed go home.

ZiabR · 16-04-2007 12:35PM

8

MOH wrote:

If every woman who conceives on the island dies before giving birth, then presumably pregnant women arriving on the island would be hugely valauble for a researcher like Juliet - if she could gather data on them during their pregnancy it might help her find out what's going wrong.
If you assume she was lying about Ethan helping Claire, he may instead have been extracting biopsy samples for her research. The kidnapping could have been to give them time to examine her in more detail, or maybe Juliet told the truth about that and Ethan panicked when he was exposed.
They also may have taken the opportunity to implant whatever it was in case they ever needed a way in to the Losties camp.

But Claire was well into her pregnancy when she arrived. If the Others know about her, Sun would be far more valuable.
If she was pregnant before she arrived, she'll be a more valuable source of information for Juliet, which would be a good reason for infiltrating her into the camp.
Or if she got pregnant on the island, it's a chance for Juliet to use whatever she learned from Claire to try to keep her alive.

And she has a strong motivation for going along with Ben in this: if she does succeed in keeping a pregnant woman alive through childbirth, her work will be completed, and she'll be allowed go home.

But we are at the point now where Ben would do anything to save his "race" of people. I think no matter what happens with Sun, he will NEVER let Juliet leave the Island, Ben will always have hope that they will suceed, which is why i think Juliet will be-friend the losties and work with them instead of Ben.

I think Juliet is a good person and Ben would do anything if it meant they could figure out what was wrong. He would sacrifice as many people as were needed.

MOH · 16-04-2007 01:29PM

True, but she wants to leave so badly she might still go along with Ben in the hope he keeps his word and lets her go, even though deep down she probably knows he won't. I'd say he's on his last chance with her though, it was only letting her go on the submarine that kept her on his side, one more betrayal and she'll join the Losties.

ZiabR · 16-04-2007 02:11PM

8

MOH wrote:

True, but she wants to leave so badly she might still go along with Ben in the hope he keeps his word and lets her go, even though deep down she probably knows he won't. I'd say he's on his last chance with her though, it was only letting her go on the submarine that kept her on his side, one more betrayal and she'll join the Losties.

Surely blowing up the only known means of getting off the Island is proof enough that he will never let her go. He blows up the sub and yet she still believes he will let her go home, even though there is not other way off the Island.

Ben manipulates people for his own benefit, he strikes me as the type of person who would stab he own kin in the back if it meant he could succeed.

Bounty Hunter · 16-04-2007 02:20PM

but ben didnt blow the sub Locke did which then prompted ben to admit how much that actually helped him as he never wanted Juliet and Jack to leave the island

ZiabR · 16-04-2007 02:40PM

8

Bounty Hunter wrote:

but ben didnt blow the sub Locke did which then prompted ben to admit how much that actually helped him as he never wanted Juliet and Jack to leave the island

Yes exactly, we see how Ben manipulated Locke to do his wishes. Reverse psychology in order to achieve Ben’s ultimate goal. Ben might not lie, but he uses other people to achieve what he wants done. I don’t trust him at all.

damnyanks · 16-04-2007 02:43PM

But it also means people cant get to the island if thats the case. What of jack or juliet die they cant train anyone up.

ZiabR · 16-04-2007 02:56PM

8

damnyanks wrote:

But it also means people cant get to the island if thats the case. What of jack or juliet die they cant train anyone up.

Well to be honest, it would be totally impossible for a Spinal Surgeon and a Pregnancy Specialist to “train” someone up. You need the years of theory and experience when dealing with professions of their type.

MOH · 16-04-2007 03:27PM

logik wrote:

Yes exactly, we see how Ben manipulated Locke to do his wishes. Reverse psychology in order to achieve Ben’s ultimate goal. Ben might not lie, but he uses other people to achieve what he wants done. I don’t trust him at all.

Handy too that Locke is gone off with the others. If Juliet ever got to talk to him, and found out Ben knew he was going to blow the sub, she'd probably realise Ben had wanted him to do it. But as it stands from both her and Jack's point of view, Ben was going to send them home, and Locke ruined all that.

Sad Professor · 16-04-2007 03:40PM

9

I agree that Juliet is a good person but I think she's so sick of the island by now she may do anything to get off it. She already killed Pickett. It's interesting how Jack and Ben are almost fighting over her, both of them insisting that she's with their group. I think the truth is she's playing both sides and they both kinda know it. Ben because he's far too smart not to and Jack because of his question about Claire being sick before they arrived. Jack likes Juliet but he knows better than to trust her completely.

ZiabR · 16-04-2007 03:42PM

8

MOH wrote:

Handy too that Locke is gone off with the others. If Juliet ever got to talk to him, and found out Ben knew he was going to blow the sub, she'd probably realise Ben had wanted him to do it. But as it stands from both her and Jack's point of view, Ben was going to send them home, and Locke ruined all that.

Yeah that’s true mate, I mean I wonder what Jack will do to Locke when they meet again. Locke said goodbye to Kate for sure, and most likely Sayid. I wonder did he say goodbye to Jack… I doubt it. Although thinking about it now, Sayid was getting pissed off at the way Locke was going on. Eg “following a bearing on Eko’s stick”. If Juliet finds out that Ben kinda tricked Locke into blowing up the sub, will she tell the other “Others”? If they find out, Ben could have mutiny on his hands. Wait and see Juliet will cause major trouble for the losties, then she will find out, she was being used too and help the losties. But at that point, will the losties ever trust her again.

Juliet is in trouble it would seem, and she is digging her own grave.

Old_-_School · 16-04-2007 05:53PM

2

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

I'm looking forward to next week's ep. Desmond features in it and he's always interesting. :cool:

Good chance of him foreseeing someone's death so. I wonder will it involve Juliette.

Caked Karen · 16-04-2007 08:50PM

the fact that ben said to juliette "see you in a week" (or was it the other way around - cant rem sorry) means that the others are due soon! i mean it must be set up that they will be coming to camp!

unless juliette convinces jack it would be better to bring everyone to the others village and then they can attack or what ever they are planning!

Its good stuff tho. I got really peeved with it middley way but its all good now!

upmeath · 16-04-2007 09:21PM

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LFCFan wrote:

I don't know why, but I think Jack knows that Juliet is deceiving them. I reckon he has a plan of his own.

In fairness, he's never been the brightest light on the tree. Americans don't need 600 points in the LC to be doctors, Christian paid his way through Med School, and despite being a master at spinal surgery, he's made several bad decisions on the island and doesn't tend to see how others are acting around him or deceiving him. I think the only reason he's de facto leader of the Losties is because he's the one they all need if something happens: a doctor.

I can see Juliet coming to her senses and joining forces with people who want to leave the island too, and with her knowledge of how the Others work, where they work and what they have, she'd be the ultimate weapon in finding a way off the island, there'd be all-out war if she switched sides

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[US/IRL] 3X16 - "One Of Us" [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]