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[US/IRL] 3X16 - "One Of Us" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭Killaqueen!!!


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    logik wrote:
    Doesn’t Ben like to use reverse psychology. He tell Locke to press the button and then Locke starts thinking “what if I don’t”. If Ben tells him not to press the button, Locke does. Very much like the sub incident. We see Ben talking with Locke for ages, filling his head will all sorts and then when Locke leaves to do the work, Ben does not make any effort to stop him.

    Yeah but (for some stupid reason) Ben and the Others don't seem to know much about the Swan hatch or its importance. We now know that the Others didn't know about the plane crash (i.e they didn't cause it). And I don't think they knew what the purple sky was about. If they knew pushing the button was so important - why leave it to the hands of the Losties?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    Maybe they wanted to the losties to stop pressing the button.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭Killaqueen!!!


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    logik wrote:
    Maybe they wanted to the losties to stop pressing the button.

    Well if they did they're certainly regretting it because that caused their communications to shut down. Not that it matters now since stupid Locke blew the place up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    Well if they did they're certainly regretting it because that caused their communications to shut down. Not that it matters now since stupid Locke blew the place up.

    Haha queen, you really don't like Locke do you? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭Killaqueen!!!


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    logik wrote:
    Haha queen, you really don't like Locke do you? :D

    I loved his character in season 1. Season 2 it was interesting - especially finale because he had lost faith and he was wrong about it. Season 3 he's gone a bit mad but then again if he had just taken the submarine instead of blowing it up then we wouldn't have Lost anymore because they'd all go home.

    But just because Locke stays doesn't mean he has to blow it up. At least let the people who want to go, go!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭Spiritus Mundi#


    Does anybody think that the creators changed their minds about who the Others were? In season 1 they were these evil strange people who were very quick, very strong and kidnapped, killed and lied to a group of stranded people.

    Very good point. If you look back on season 1 , Ethan seemed to have superhuman speed and strength, yet nothing in any episodes since have indicated he was anything other than a normal guy. Possibly the writers envisioned the Others differently in the beginning, i try not to think about the writers intentions too much or whether they have a masterplan or an off-the-cuff approach....what matters to me is they continue to deliver a high quality show and that the core questions that got everyone hooked get answered by the end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    Very good point. If you look back on season 1 , Ethan seemed to have superhuman speed and strength, yet nothing in any episodes since have indicated he was anything other than a normal guy. Possibly the writers envisioned the Others differently in the beginning, i try not to think about the writers intentions too much or whether they have a masterplan or an off-the-cuff approach....what matters to me is they continue to deliver a high quality show and that the core questions that got everyone hooked get answered by the end.

    Exactly, as long as we get the closure and the answers in the end LOST will still be an amazing show. I think the writers didn't expect the show to be so big and maybe only had done a script for 2 seasons. Then they realised that the show was a hit and had to start to rethink alot of the story.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭doonothing


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    logik wrote:
    Doesn’t Ben like to use reverse psychology. He tell Locke to press the button and then Locke starts thinking “what if I don’t”. If Ben tells him not to press the button, Locke does. Very much like the sub incident. We see Ben talking with Locke for ages, filling his head will all sorts and then when Locke leaves to do the work, Ben does not make any effort to stop him.

    i do completely understand where you're coming from with that, but is that still not taking a massive risk?! especially considering john did eventually stop pushing the button, partially because of ben! it's probably nothing bu...y'know, with lost we have to take an AWFUL lot on faith and that one just grinds my gears...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭Sinfonia


    Ethan seemed to have superhuman speed and strength
    I don't agree with that.
    In terms of strength, he beat Jack in a fight once out of two times, and the only other people he seemingly overpowered were a hobbit and a pregnant girl. I wouldn't call that superhuman.

    If anything, it was the mystery of who the others were that made people believe that they might be these "superbeings". As island inhabitants, they were able to get around quickly and quietly, but that's sort of a spider's web kind of thing, they're people, just like the survivors, only with much, much more experience. Rousseau is pretty good at getting around quickly and quietly too, probably because she's been there for more than 16 years.
    So I think it's entirely likely that the writers knew exactly who the Others were always going to be, but they wanted to keep up the mystery, and let the audiences imagination wander.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭Killaqueen!!!


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    SumGuy wrote:
    I don't agree with that.
    In terms of strength, he beat Jack in a fight once out of two times, and the only other people he seemingly overpowered were a hobbit and a pregnant girl. I wouldn't call that superhuman.

    If anything, it was the mystery of who the others were that made people believe that they might be these "superbeings". As island inhabitants, they were able to get around quickly and quietly, but that's sort of a spider's web kind of thing, they're people, just like the survivors, only with much, much more experience. Rousseau is pretty good at getting around quickly and quietly too, probably because she's been there for more than 16 years.
    So I think it's entirely likely that the writers knew exactly who the Others were always going to be, but they wanted to keep up the mystery, and let the audiences imagination wander.

    I don't think so.

    This has been discussed before and people have had your view that they weren't supposed ti have super-human strength, but I think that your picking at it. You honestly didn't think while watching season1 that the others were powerful?

    I think the creators had this idea of what the Others were going to be but then had the idea of what the Others are becoming now. They then looked back on the episodes they made to see if there was actually any strong evidence that the Others were stronger than normal people.

    This is just my opinion of course but hanging a fully grown man on a tree like he did would take a lot of strength. Of course, from this episode it may be that Ethan didn't actually hang Charlie.

    Also, Goodwin twisted yer mans neck to kill him on the other side of the island with thre tail-section survivors. This isn't a note on their superstrength cos I could probably do that if I tried (:p ) but it does mean that origionally the Others were perceived as mysterious, evil viscious people. Come to think of it that was in season 2.

    The writers may have had a good idea of who the Others were in season 2 but I don't think so in season 1.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭Sinfonia


    This has been discussed before and people have had your view that they weren't supposed ti have super-human strength, but I think that your picking at it. You honestly didn't think while watching season1 that the others were powerful?
    I didn't know because we only met Ethan. Who I definitely thought was strong.
    But not abnormally strong. Jack bested him physically (as Locke would say!) in round two.
    What am I picking at?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,713 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


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    Juliet seems to have taken some sort of martial arts training, which I assume Ethan took as well. I don't think he was abnormally strong, they just made us think he was.
    This is just my opinion of course but hanging a fully grown man on a tree like he did would take a lot of strength. Of course, from this episode it may be that Ethan didn't actually hang Charlie.
    I'm convinced it was Smokey who did this. Remember what he did to the pilot? Swung him around, killed him and left him in the trees; the same thing that happened to Charlie. I think Ethan was telling the truth about letting Charlie go. Then Smokey showed up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭Sinfonia


    I'm convinced it was Smokey who did this. Remember what he did to the pilot? Swung him around, killed him and left him in the trees; the same thing that happened to Charlie. I think Ethan was telling the truth about letting Charlie go. Then Smokey showed up.

    Maybe Charlie was always meant to die on the island, and Jack saved his life this time, instead of Desmond!
    Has he had any other near-death experiences? Maybe when the hatch blew?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    I'm convinced it was Smokey who did this. Remember what he did to the pilot? Swung him around, killed him and left him in the trees; the same thing that happened to Charlie. I think Ethan was telling the truth about letting Charlie go. Then Smokey showed up.

    I actually never thought of that. I mean during the ep i just thought that it was Ethan that put Charlie into the tree. It is possible that Smokey did this but didn't Charlie have a rope around his neck? Could the smoke do this you think?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,662 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


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    We don't know for certain yet but I've always had a hard time believing Ethan could have managed to do this by himself. Even with help it would have been difficult. He also later told Claire he let Charlie go. I think he may have been telling the truth and Smokey attacked Charlie afterwards. Remember Charlie was dead till Jack resuscitated him.

    I think Charlie's memories of what happened may return one day.

    Just to update on this, if you watch the episode where they find Charlie hanging from the tree, later on he says "Claire was all they wanted", and Jack repeats after him, "they?". I know Charlie doesn't consciously remember anything about it, but that could have been an allusion to the fact some of the Others were helping Ethan. We assumed he did it himself because we didn't know about the rest of the Others at that point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    Faith wrote:
    Just to update on this, if you watch the episode where they find Charlie hanging from the tree, later on he says "Claire was all they wanted", and Jack repeats after him, "they?". I know Charlie doesn't consciously remember anything about it, but that could have been an allusion to the fact some of the Others were helping Ethan. We assumed he did it himself because we didn't know about the rest of the Others at that point.

    Well pointed out Faith, to drag a body into a tree and then tie that body up, takes alot of strength. It is very possible that Ethan was not alone and he in fact did have help from an other "other". :)


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