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[US/IRL] 3X16 - "One Of Us" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭upmeath


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    MOH wrote:
    But Claire was well into her pregnancy when she arrived. If the Others know about her, Sun would be far more valuable.
    I'd say we can expect Juliet to ask Sun about her conception within the next 2 episodes
    MOH wrote:
    And she has a strong motivation for going along with Ben in this: if she does succeed in keeping a pregnant woman alive through childbirth, her work will be completed, and she'll be allowed go home.
    Makes sense, Juliet knows her way off the island is won if she succeeds in doing just that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭damnyanks


    upmeath wrote:
    In fairness, he's never been the brightest light on the tree. Americans don't need 600 points in the LC to be doctors, Christian paid his way through Med School, and despite being a master at spinal surgery, he's made several bad decisions on the island and doesn't tend to see how others are acting around him or deceiving him. I think the only reason he's de facto leader of the Losties is because he's the one they all need if something happens: a doctor.

    I can see Juliet coming to her senses and joining forces with people who want to leave the island too, and with her knowledge of how the Others work, where they work and what they have, she'd be the ultimate weapon in finding a way off the island, there'd be all-out war if she switched sides

    Don't think Juliet is going to join hte losties even if she thinks it makes sense. If she does that the others will be pissed and can probably kill everyone on the beach easily.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,437 ✭✭✭Crucifix


    I thought it was good, right up to the ending, which was a bit "Meh". I think mainly because they were treating it very dun-dun-dun. I guess it does set up some tension for the future.

    Sayid is a real torture addict though. I mean he says he doesn't do that anymore, but he was singing at different tune near the start.

    And is Goodwin a doctor too? Because if Ben chose to send, not one, but two precious doctors off into the dangerous situation of spying on the crash survivors, rather than two grunts, he may not be the mastermind I thought he was.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 518 ✭✭✭Bartronilic


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    How come Sun can have a baby when before Jin couldn't. Confusing. I'd say Jin and Sun will play huge role in the finale.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 301 ✭✭marie_85


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    Wow. What can I say, just when I'd given up faith in Lost, they pull this one out of the bag. That was an amazing episode. Two of the elements that I had no previous interest in, Sun's baby's father and Juliet's fertility work have now become practically the most important elements of the show. I love the fact that in that one episode, they've managed to justify a lot of the storylines they've done like Sun's flashbacks and they've managed to convey a long story arc rather than just having isolated episodes. It's now become more than just about a load of people getting trapped on an island.

    I did not see that ending coming. While watching the episode I did think it was suspicious that Claire got sick so soon, but put that down to bad writing. Juliet's story to Jack didn't sit with me because Ethan hung Charlie from a tree! (Was it definitely Ethan who did this btw. Was that ever confirmed. Because given what we've seen of Juliet in this episode I wouldn't put it past her!) Not the actions of somebody trying to save a life, but again, I'm so used to plot holes from Lost that I ignored it. So, it was a genuine shock to me to see that ending.

    Glad to see that Sayid is once again the most intuitive character in the show, and the most practical. Although I did scream at him when he told Juliet that first he wanted to know who she was. Could he not have saved that till last, knowing that she'd go into flashback mode! I did think it was realistic that Sawyer and Sayid backed down. Both of them are clearly ashamed of what they'd done in the past, and the fact that she knew about it would disarm them. On how they knew about Sawyer shooting that man? Well, as somebody said earlier, he was set up to do it and the death would have been reported afterwards so may not have been that hard to figure out what happened.

    I was glad to see news footage of the flight disappearing. It made the show seem more realistic somehow and more grounded in our world. Most of the characters don't think about their family and the people who are waiting for them at home so it's good to see that their disappearance is significant to the outside world. And it makes it seem more likely that they will end up going home in the end.

    And I completely agree with the question over Ethan and Goodwin. Why on earth did Ben send these two to the camps? I hope it was a part of his dastardly plot somehow or else my faith in him will be shaken.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,713 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


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    marie_85 wrote:
    Juliet's story to Jack didn't sit with me because Ethan hung Charlie from a tree! (Was it definitely Ethan who did this btw. Was that ever confirmed.

    We don't know for certain yet but I've always had a hard time believing Ethan could have managed to do this by himself. Even with help it would have been difficult. He also later told Claire he let Charlie go. I think he may have been telling the truth and Smokey attacked Charlie afterwards. Remember Charlie was dead till Jack resuscitated him.

    I think Charlie's memories of what happened may return one day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭upmeath


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    How come Sun can have a baby when before Jin couldn't. Confusing. I'd say Jin and Sun will play huge role in the finale.

    Yeah, I'm slowly preparing to have to eat my words... I said a few weeks back that it seemed the only reason they were even on the plane was so that ABC could reel in money from Korean and Japanese TV stations, how wrong I may have been...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    upmeath wrote:
    Yeah, I'm slowly preparing to have to eat my words... I said a few weeks back that it seemed the only reason they were even on the plane was so that ABC could reel in money from Korean and Japanese TV stations, how wrong I may have been...

    Question is, did Sun cheat on Jin, or did the Island make Sun pregnant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,713 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


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    I think the island just cured Jin's infertility. Whatever it is we'll find out in 3x18.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭upmeath


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    I think the island just cured Jin's infertility. Whatever it is we'll find out in 3x18.

    Perhaps that's the crux. Someone suggested earlier that the problem lies with the males and not the females. Perhaps the island makes fertile men infertile and vice versa, and the previously fertile guys somehow render their partners pregnant with a baby that's going to kill them at child birth. Sounds very MIB now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,445 ✭✭✭✭Creamy Goodness


    i'd say Jin was cured because it will make for a much more interesting storyline, especially if the baby was concieved on the island.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭upmeath


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    Cremo wrote:
    i'd say Jin was cured because it will make for a much more interesting storyline, especially if the baby was concieved on the island.

    Not alone would it be interesting, it would also be in cannon with the strange shi't that's been happening since they landed on the island...
    Rose's cancer is gone
    Locke's no longer a paraplegic
    Hurley has gone 80 days without American fast food


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,065 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    the fact that ben said to juliette "see you in a week" (or was it the other way around - cant rem sorry) means that the others are due soon! i mean it must be set up that they will be coming to camp!
    1 week could take 6 or 7 episodes the way they are drawing things out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,276 ✭✭✭damnyanks


    We don't know for certain yet but I've always had a hard time believing Ethan could have managed to do this by himself. Even with help it would have been difficult. He also later told Claire he let Charlie go. I think he may have been telling the truth and Smokey attacked Charlie afterwards. Remember Charlie was dead till Jack resuscitated him.

    I think Charlie's memories of what happened may return one day.

    Then perhaps thats tied into the fact that Charlie is meant to die now (according to Desmond).

    He was meant to die originally and Jack changed that, but you cant change the outcome and so on. So then they'll explain something magical about the island killing cause its the outcome


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    damnyanks wrote:
    Then perhaps thats tied into the fact that Charlie is meant to die now (according to Desmond).

    He was meant to die originally and Jack changed that, but you cant change the outcome and so on. So then they'll explain something magical about the island killing cause its the outcome

    Charlie is one lucky bugger, saved 3-4 times already.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


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    I noticed that when Hurley told Juliette that Charlie had killed Ethan she seemed to react a little and that got me to thinking that maybe she could have a part in Charlie's death someday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    Ponster wrote:
    I noticed that when Hurley told Juliette that Charlie had killed Ethan she seemed to react a little and that got me to thinking that maybe she could have a part in Charlie's death someday.

    Maybe she was thinking, "what are these people going to do to me? Will i end up beside Ethan?"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,065 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    mr_angry wrote:
    Likewise, I think we know the motivation for Juliette's duplicity. Earlier in the episode, Ben tells her that she can leave once her research is finished. That means she has to have more women to experiment on, and hence why she is probably very focused on Sun right now. When you look at it objectively, it really is a very, very clever plan.
    Its actually quite a ludicrous idea to be honest.
    The whole idea of trying to make people conceive on the Island
    Whats the point of it ?
    Why not conceive elsewhere ?
    They have killed loads of people in childbirth on a Dr Frankenstein path.
    Not a bad episode overall but I still get the feeling the writers are making this stuff up as they go along and then go back in later episodes using flashbacks to bolster the story.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,713 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


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    They didn't kill them, they were dying and they tried to save them. Why not conceive elsewhere? Good question but there's obviously a reason. Maybe the island is their home and they don't want to leave. The pregnancy problem may be connected to the "incident".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    They didn't kill them, they were dying and they tried to save them. Why not conceive elsewhere? Good question but there's obviously a reason. Maybe the island is their home and they don't want to leave. The pregnancy problem may be connected to the "incident".

    What incident are you refering to mate? We really need to know how long this problem has existed for before we can start to come up with ideas. We know the problem is there for more than 3 years.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,713 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


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    The one mentioned in the Swan orientation video, that resulted in the button needing to be pushed. It was a leak from the electromagnetic anomaly. The blast door map suggests it happened in 1985 (or earlier). More info here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    The one mentioned in the Swan orientation video, that resulted in the button needing to be pushed. It was a leak from the electromagnetic anomaly. The blast door map suggests it happened in 1985 (or earlier). More info here.

    Cheers mate. That would make sense if you look at the time line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭Sinfonia


    How did they cure Rachel's cancer?
    Or do you think Ben made up the fact that the cancer came back?
    He seemed very adamant when he told Juliet "No! I didn't lie!".
    He also said something along the lines of "Jacob said he'd take care of it".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,713 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


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    logik wrote:
    Cheers mate. That would make sense if you look at the time line.

    I just noticed however that the copyright date on that video was 1980 so it must have happened before then. The 1985 incident must have been something else.
    SumGuy wrote:
    How did they cure Rachel's cancer?
    Or do you think Ben made up the fact that the cancer came back?
    He seemed very adamant when he told Juliet "No! I didn't lie!".
    He also said something along the lines of "Jacob said he'd take care of it".

    In this week's podcast the writers said Ben may have been lying, but then they kinda backtracked and said many of Ben's lies turn out to be true or something. :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    SumGuy wrote:
    How did they cure Rachel's cancer?
    Or do you think Ben made up the fact that the cancer came back?
    He seemed very adamant when he told Juliet "No! I didn't lie!".
    He also said something along the lines of "Jacob said he'd take care of it".

    Ben showed Juliet graphs and charts of her sister. She could see from those the cancer was back. Juliet is a doctor so she would know what to look for. Also seeing as Juliet looked after her sister for the time she had cancer, she would know everything about that type of cancer and also her sisters blood type etc. Ben would not be able to pull the wool over Juliets eyes that easy with false charts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭Sinfonia


    logik wrote:
    Ben showed Juliet graphs and charts of her sister. She could see from those the cancer was back. Juliet is a doctor so she would know what to look for. Also seeing as Juliet looked after her sister for the time she had cancer, she would know everything about that type of cancer and also her sisters blood type etc. Ben would not be able to pull the wool over Juliets eyes that easy with false charts.
    He's a hell of a good con man though, and seeing as the Others were able to find out everything about the survivors, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to find out everything about Rachel, and then forge up some charts - they seem to be able to do anything, those pesky Others


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    SumGuy wrote:
    He's a hell of a good con man though, and seeing as the Others were able to find out everything about the survivors, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to find out everything about Rachel, and then forge up some charts - they seem to be able to do anything, those pesky Others

    True mate, but you are forgetting one major thing. Ben does not Lie. He was very very upset when Juliet doubted him. He does not have to lie to get people to do things for him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,713 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


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    I think Ben may pull an Obi-Wan Kenobi in the future:

    "So you see what I told you was true, Juliet... from a certain point of view."

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,437 ✭✭✭Crucifix


    logik wrote:
    True mate, but you are forgetting one major thing. Ben does not Lie. He was very very upset when Juliet doubted him. He does not have to lie to get people to do things for him.
    "My name is Henry Gale". Sound familiar :D
    Doesn't nessicerily mean he's lying though.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,854 ✭✭✭Sinfonia


    logik wrote:
    Ben does not Lie
    What!? Ben lies all the time!
    He lied to Sawyer about the heart implant thing.
    He lied to John about pushing the button.
    In fact the whole 'Henry Gale' period was all lies!!
    He says his people need to feel that they can leave whenever they want, but he explicitly tells Juliet that she can't leave.
    He's a liar and a conman and I don't think anything he says can go unquestioned


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