[US/IRL] 3X16 - "One Of Us" [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

Basq · 13-04-2007 08:57AM

upmeath wrote:

.. Emerson and Mitchell are two of the finest actors in a serial..

Emerson i'd without a doubt agree with you.

Mitchell however.. she had some patchy moments in this episodes (almost sounded like flubbed dialogue a couple of times when chatting to Hurley).

But in saying that, she could say a thousand words with some of her facial expressions. Loved when the camp stared at her arriving, she just looked away into the sea with an expression of utter discomfort.

kinda lost · 13-04-2007 09:02AM

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....................................WOW!!! Bloody speechless.
9 From me anyway!!!
Lost is seriously kickin ass latly,One the best episodes yet,
Its So good finally getting some answers cant wait for the next one.
Shocked at juliet tho i was sorta starting to have faith in her,Very clever of the others tho,(Very minipulative):D

chabsey · 13-04-2007 09:14AM

A good episode but another notch in Lost's tendency to annoy. Juliette manages to verbally fight off Saywer and Sayid simply by referring to the fact that they hadn't explained everything about themselves the minute they arrived on the island? Pretty poor defence really, the big difference being that Sawyer and Sayid didn't arrive on the island, immediately begin to terrorise the other survivors, kidnap some of them, attempt to kill some of them and experiment on some of them, all the while lying to them at every opportunity.

So, once they're given the chance to actually get some answers they both get defeated by a simple "Hey, you guys didn't tell the truth either!" line. Not credible and another frustrating example of how none of the characters in this series seem capable of just asking each other simple questions and getting answers. Obviously it keeps a sort of tension for the viewer but it also makes it hard not to get annoyed watching it.

Ben freaking out about being called a liar? Claiming he wasn't a liar when he had already promised Juliette multiple times that she could leave the island whenever she wanted. And then saying, 'well actually no you can't. I lied earlier when I said you could'.

Personally think both Jack and Juliette should be set on fire and catapulted into space.

stakey · 13-04-2007 09:34AM

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Cracking episode...

anyone notice that the 'Mittlelos' section of the name Mittlelos Bioscience was an anagram?

'Lost Time'

I liked that touch...

Talisman · 13-04-2007 09:35AM

Some nice tie backs to the earlier episodes. Strange that Ben sent the two doctor/surgeons (Goodwin and Ethan) to infiltrate the survivors.

Best part of the episode for me: "See you in a week..."

gazzer · 13-04-2007 10:56AM

I loved this episode.. Thank god we finally got some answers.

One thing I figured about the submarine is that it must be some type of supersonic device.. When Juliet was given the drink to knock her out didnt Ethan say something about the speed messing with your body?

Also When Mikalli had all the tv screens and Richard videod Juliettes sister.. Ben told him to come back to island as a plane had crashed. He said it as if Richard was just down the road.

One thing that puzzled me though.. We all know that the others can get files on people, their names, health, where they come from etc.. But how did they know about Sawyer killing that guy he thought had conned him?? Nobody else was there when that happened (or was there?)

Id like to think that all the coincidences in the flashback point to their having to be a reason while all those particular people were on Oceanic flight 815 but it looks like the others were not expecting the plane to crash.. so there must be some other big player (Jacob perhaps?) who had the influence to get those particular people on that particular flight.

Hyzepher · 13-04-2007 11:15AM

When Ben and Juliette went to visit Mikalli is was obvious that he was always on alert and likely to shoot anyone who approached. Why? Who were they defending the station from if all the Dharma guys were dead etc. I cant imagine that they feared Daneille, who stated she have never even see the station before. I'm not even sure that they knew Danielee was still alive.

Star Lord · 13-04-2007 11:52AM

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deconstruct wrote:

anyone notice that the 'Mittlelos' section of the name Mittlelos Bioscience was an anagram?

'Lost Time'

Er... no it's not.

Mittlelos isn't, Mittelos is...

Leon11 · 13-04-2007 12:05PM

Juliet was/is working for Ben on some sort of treatment that allows women to have children, remember her sister in an earlier episode? Maybe this is why she knows women don't survive if they concieve on the island

stakey · 13-04-2007 12:11PM

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obviously it's not exact, but the producers have hinted at anagrams in names and places in the show purely for those who like to be played with by the producers

course if i wanted to take the full company name and point out the result of that anagram, some losties might be upset:

mittlelos bioscience -> nice to lost imbeciles

Im_No_Superman · 13-04-2007 12:19PM

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Really good episode,9 for me, didnt feel the time go by when i was watching it! One thing though, didnt juliet tell jack she brought kate out to the jungle and handcuffed herself to her, i presume she meant it as a joke though. Dont think Sayid or the other losties would have found it that funny!

ZiabR · 13-04-2007 12:27PM

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Leon11 wrote:

Juliet was/is working for Ben on some sort of treatment that allows women to have children, remember her sister in an earlier episode? Maybe this is why she knows women don't survive if they concieve on the island

Of course Juliet knows this.

DeadParrot · 13-04-2007 12:42PM

Weird, I was actually starting to empathise with the Others for a while during that episode.
Excellent ending, to be honest I didnt see it coming and I usually do.
Questions,

Alex? Was she actually born on the Island or kidnapped as a baby
Obvisouly Ben is a suggrogate father or else Russo could be a bigger enigma than imagined. To be honest, her 'sickness' thing never really held water.
The 'bumpy' trip there. Made me wonder alright, dimension shift type stuff, think the 'time' radio, 'numbers' with sigil magic powers, yer man time travelling.
The crash, complete fluke? They didnt look like they were expecting it.
Tied to that, the good lists, the strange co-incidences tieing everyone together, are they just that? I doubt it but the Others didnt seem to havea hand in bringing them there.
What were they doing in that airspace anyway?
Black rock, lost aircraft, is the Island some kind of psudo bermuda triangle, we had assumed that their was an alterior motive all along for the crash but as of yet its still hidden.
Bigfoot, still unknown what thats all about....
Actually, this dimension idea might bear some fruit the more I think of it.
But please pelase please, dont mention Aliens

upmeath · 13-04-2007 12:48PM

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deconstruct wrote:

obviously it's not exact, but the producers have hinted at anagrams in names and places in the show purely for those who like to be played with by the producers

course if i wanted to take the full company name and point out the result of that anagram, some losties might be upset:

mittlelos bioscience -> nice to lost imbeciles

Ethan Rom = Other Man

ZiabR · 13-04-2007 12:59PM

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upmeath wrote:

Ethan Rom = Other Man

Yeah that was really clever. I rememeber some flash website, where you had to work that out in order to enter the website.

Star Lord · 13-04-2007 04:57PM

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deconstruct wrote:

course if i wanted to take the full company name and point out the result of that anagram, some losties might be upset:

mittlelos bioscience -> nice to lost imbeciles

That would work if there were two l's in Mittelos...:rolleyes:

And on the drugging Juliet for the "bumpy ride"... I think it was because she thought she was going to be getting there in a plane, and they were actually getting her there on the submarine, and they probably knew from experience that people expecting a plane would probably reconsider when they were ushered towards the sub

gazzer wrote:

When Juliet was given the drink to knock her out didnt Ethan say something about the speed messing with your body?

He said she "probably shouldn't have drank that so fast", because it just knocked her out there and then rather than when they finished talking to her.

Old_-_School · 13-04-2007 05:09PM

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Good point by Gazzer on how the Others could possibly know about Sawyer killing the guy. Can they infiltrate people's dreams because I can't remember Sawyer ever telling anyone about that murder except perhaps when he played the drinking game "I never" with Kate but he never mentioned that it was a man and in cold blood. Did he tell Jack's father?
I felt the part at the end was poorly done. I think the writers did a lazy job. Ben and Juliette doing a "let's go through it again" summary of the whole plan looked very artifical and convenient. They could have surely come up with a better and more discrete way of letting us know what Juliette was up to, particularly as most people suspected she was left behind for sinister reasons anyway.
One thing about the flashbacks - are the people who are having the flashbacks supposed to be thinking about the flashbacks while they're being shown? It's just that after one particulary emotional flashback Juliette had tears in her eyes which weren't there before the flashback.

Hyzepher · 13-04-2007 05:31PM

Dont forget that Sawyer was conned into killing the wrong guy. So the guy who sent him off with the wrong information obviously knew so maybe that's were the info came from. Sawyer isn't on the run so it's not public knowledge that he was a murderer.

mr_angry · 13-04-2007 09:28PM

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Great episode. I loved the way everything dovetailed together with season 1, and the beginning of season 3. Just when people are questioning where the writers are going, they pull an episode like this out of the bag. Looks like everthing has a meaning after all!

This episode was really notable for the number of revelations they made implicitly. For example, we now know that there was media coverage of the loss of flight 815. Likewise, I think we know the motivation for Juliette's duplicity. Earlier in the episode, Ben tells her that she can leave once her research is finished. That means she has to have more women to experiment on, and hence why she is probably very focused on Sun right now. When you look at it objectively, it really is a very, very clever plan.

Rousseau is an interesting case. They mentioned that Claire still needed treatment, despite not conceiving on the island. This would imply that both Rousseau and Sun would need similar treatment, regardless of whether conception took place on the island or not. This contrasts a bit with Juliette's description of the problems occuring at conception. I'm not really sure how thats gonna pan out. Interestingly, Rousseau described a "sickness", but seemed to indicate that the male members of her crew had it. Similarly, Desmond was busy innoculating himself against something that Dharma believed was out there. Is it possible that the cause of the issue is something to do with the males, rather than the females?

To finish with, here's a random question. Didn't the father of Claire's baby, Thomas, look suspiciously like a younger version of Ben? Could be coincidence...

Agamemnon · 14-04-2007 04:29AM

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Brilliant stuff, Lost is on top form lately and the season finale will be a cracker if they keep going like this. The writers' overall plan is slowly being revealed and this should put an end to "They're making it up as they're going along!" threads.

Did Juliet ask Sayid "Do they know about Basra?" or did I hear it wrong? In Season 2 there was a brief clip of Sayid on the news being led away by US soldiers. What divilment did he get up to in Basra? Hope we get a flashback to tell us soon.

Sawyer had some great lines: "Well if it ain't three men and a baby. I counted Hugo twice" and when he called Ben a "bug-eyed bastard".

Ethan, Goodwin and Mikhail all back from the dead in this episode - the actor who plays Ethan must be sick of the Lost producers calling him to tell him they have another way to bring Ethan back.

It's unusual about Danielle being able to give birth on the island all right - maybe she was a prisoner of the Others for a while. You'd think we would have seen a flashback of hers by now - she must have some really amazing secrets to spill if we're waiting this long to see them.

Sinfonia · 14-04-2007 07:38AM

DeadParrot wrote:

The crash, complete fluke? They didnt look like they were expecting it.

we had assumed that their was an alterior motive all along for the crash but as of yet its still hidden.

Wasn't it Desmond neglecting to push the button that caused the plane to crash?

In fact, what I would really like to know is about the Others and the Swan.
Did they know it was real?
Ben pushed the button, and told Locke he didn't, but why? Just to fook with his head? But if he knew it was real that would be a bit of a risky move...
Also we know that the Others watched the Swan from the Pearl.
So if they use the Flame, Pearl, Staff and Hydra, then how come they didn't take over the Swan, and just left Kelvin and Desmond to their own devices?
Unless Desmond or Kelvin or Razinsky(sp) is an other, but from what we know about them, Desmond and Kelvin don't seem likely to be at all. And if Razinsky was an Other, then once he died(if he did), wouldn't they send someone else out there?
And how did Kelvin know that Desmond has crashed onto the island? Did he just happen to see him when he was out for a walk?
AAAAARGH!

Star Lord · 14-04-2007 08:56AM

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agamemnon wrote:

...The writers' overall plan is slowly being revealed and this should put an end to "They're making it up as they're going along!" threads...

...Ethan, Goodwin and Mikhail all back from the dead in this episode - the actor who plays Ethan must be sick of the Lost producers calling him to tell him they have another way to bring Ethan back...

Contradicting yourself there a little methinks...

Talisman · 14-04-2007 09:08AM

Regarding the crash - Just a thought... Ben and the 'Box'. Maybe he wishes for a surgeon to operate on him. He has said as much himself in a previous episode - the day after he learns he has a tumor on his spine, a world reknowned spinal surgeon falls out of the sky in flight 815.

event · 14-04-2007 11:57AM

mr_angry wrote:

Rousseau is an interesting case. They mentioned that Claire still needed treatment, despite not conceiving on the island. This would imply that both Rousseau and Sun would need similar treatment, regardless of whether conception took place on the island or not. This contrasts a bit with Juliette's description of the problems occuring at conception. I'm not really sure how thats gonna pan out. Interestingly, Rousseau described a "sickness", but seemed to indicate that the male members of her crew had it. Similarly, Desmond was busy innoculating himself against something that Dharma believed was out there. Is it possible that the cause of the issue is something to do with the males, rather than the females?

claire didnt need treatment though. ben said they activated the implant in Claire, so this is what made her sick. All a plan so juliet could be seen to be a hero

ixoy · 14-04-2007 02:30PM

I liked this one. The Claire stuff was well worked in and I now believe that that angle was planned and that it makes sense. Doesn't mean that the writers have planned all the other little things we've seen but they do seem to have a handle on the main storylines.

Thought Sayid was good again - immediately asking questions of Julie. Again his gut instinct is correct about trusting her. I'm actually a bit disappointed that he was right - she had me fooled as I didn't think they'd try the same trick twice. It makes more sense for her to working covertly towards some aim (presumably to do with her sister) but still.. it was well played out.

The only things that irritated me this episode were firstly Jack. I didn't like the way he basically told everyone to STFU about Juliette unless they wanted him gone instead. Now, to be fair, people called him on it this time but it still makes me dislike his character.
The other thing was nobody mentioning moving to the nice empty houses that could offer them much better living conditions. I'd expect nothing less of Jack but I thought Sayid would at least have brought it up. Tsk! Hope this is addressed at a future point.

Line of the night though has to go to Ben saying he'd see Juliette in a week. The delivery was great and I really hope this finale explains the Others properly. *Fingers crossed for a Ben flashback that episode*

ZiabR · 14-04-2007 07:50PM

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event wrote:

claire didnt need treatment though. ben said they activated the implant in Claire, so this is what made her sick. All a plan so juliet could be seen to be a hero

Yeah exactly, i mean the others knew that Claire and her baby would both be ok on the island because her child was conceived outside the island. I am starting to think, could Ben really plan that far ahead by giving Claire the implant with the sole intention to use it as a way to infiltrate the camp.

DeadParrot · 15-04-2007 07:54PM

SumGuy wrote:

Wasn't it Desmond neglecting to push the button that caused the plane to crash?
Yes, but we we're speculating on this not being a random event....
Why was the plane there in the first place?

In fact, what I would really like to know is about the Others and the Swan.
Did they know it was real?

Ben pushed the button, and told Locke he didn't, but why? Just to fook with his head? But if he knew it was real that would be a bit of a risky move...
Also we know that the Others watched the Swan from the Pearl.
So if they use the Flame, Pearl, Staff and Hydra, then how come they didn't take over the Swan, and just left Kelvin and Desmond to their own devices?
Unless Desmond or Kelvin or Razinsky(sp) is an other, but from what we know about them, Desmond and Kelvin don't seem likely to be at all. And if Razinsky was an Other, then once he died(if he did), wouldn't they send someone else out there?
And how did Kelvin know that Desmond has crashed onto the island? Did he just happen to see him when he was out for a walk?

AAAAARGH!

Argghh indeed

Sad Professor · 15-04-2007 08:32PM

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SumGuy wrote:

In fact, what I would really like to know is about the Others and the Swan.
Did they know it was real?
Ben pushed the button, and told Locke he didn't, but why? Just to fook with his head? But if he knew it was real that would be a bit of a risky move...
Also we know that the Others watched the Swan from the Pearl.
So if they use the Flame, Pearl, Staff and Hydra, then how come they didn't take over the Swan, and just left Kelvin and Desmond to their own devices?
Unless Desmond or Kelvin or Razinsky(sp) is an other, but from what we know about them, Desmond and Kelvin don't seem likely to be at all. And if Razinsky was an Other, then once he died(if he did), wouldn't they send someone else out there?
And how did Kelvin know that Desmond has crashed onto the island? Did he just happen to see him when he was out for a walk?
AAAAARGH!

In a recent podcast the writers confirmed that Ben's scepticism about the Swan's button-pushing was genuine. So I think we can assume he knew about the Swan but not of it's importance. He believed what the Pearl's video told him, that it was a psychological experiment, a joke. Therefore the hatch was of no value to him so he didn't care about Desmond and decided to leave him there.

As for Ben telling Locke he didn't push the button, well we don't know exactly what happened there but my theory is Ben (who was still claiming to be Henry Gale) needed to use the hatch computer to contact his people and HAD to enter the numbers first. This makes sense as his people sent Michael back to rescue him the very next day. So what Ben told Locke was a mixture of truth and lies. He DID push the button but he honestly didn't think anything would happen if he didn't.

And Kelvin was probably out most days doing his map making, which is why he was around to notice Desmond's boat. He was also on the look out for his replacement. It's also possible he was lying and had contact with other people on the island but I doubt it. Radzinsky is another story...

upmeath · 15-04-2007 08:34PM

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logik wrote:

could Ben really plan that far ahead by giving Claire the implant with the sole intention to use it as a way to infiltrate the camp.

No doubt about it. The man has shown time and time again that's he's a genius, a manipulator, and a good leader

ZiabR · 15-04-2007 10:10PM

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upmeath wrote:

No doubt about it. The man has shown time and time again that's he's a genius, a manipulator, and a good leader

Aye Upmeath, your bang on there mate. Can Ben maybe see the future or has a means to see it? That way he knows when to do things that we see as amazing plans. He is a good leader, but a forceful one at that. Keeping people on the Island when they want to go home etc. He is a super manipulator, thats for sure, we seen that with Locke.

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[US/IRL] 3X16 - "One Of Us" [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]