[US/IRL] 3X12 - "Par Avion" [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]

Sad Professor · 16-03-2007 03:22PM

8

Brilliant episode and I loved the cliffhanger. Unlike a lot of people I've really enjoyed this season so far, little by little we've been finding out a lot about the Others and I'm pretty certain they are telling the truth about being the "good guys". The real bad guys I suspect is/was Dharma or some other outside influence. Things are getting complicated.

DeepBlue · 16-03-2007 04:31PM

7

For some reason that ending gave me a flashback to Emperor Zurg and Buzz Lightyear playing catch in Toy Story 2

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Probably the best "WTF???!!" ending since Michael decided to get trigger happy in Season 2.

cooker3 · 16-03-2007 06:17PM

What does the title par avion mean?

Sad Professor · 16-03-2007 07:48PM

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cooker3 wrote:

What does the title par avion mean?

It's french and means "by air". It appears on airmail stamps.

AlmightyCushion · 17-03-2007 06:55PM

logik wrote:

A few things annoyed me though. If that is a defence perimeter then it is keeping something very dangerous out i.e. the Black Smoke!. And that would mean that it would have to be online 365 days a year full time. Then how was it unharmed by the huge EMP??? I mean they would not have had the time to repair every capactor on the fence before the (smoke) would have breached the fence and moved towards the barracks.

The fence could be shielded to protect it from an emp blast. Given the fact that there is a huge electro magnetic anomolie on the island I'd say that protecting the fence from an emp would be a priority.

AdMMM · 19-03-2007 12:23AM

7

Another strong episode - looks as if they're finally back on track. I'm beginning to wonder did they intentially make Episode 09 out to be terrible so we'd think all the following episodes would be fantastic!

It was certainly a bit dragged out in parts (the Claire flashback in particular) but I do feel that there was sufficent story development and I really did like the way that it initially looked as if Jack was running towards Kate, Sayid and John!

L31mr0d · 19-03-2007 12:02PM

7

ok could someone explain to me how we knew Christian was Claires father before this episode? I think i've forgotten.

Otherwise a decent episode. Good idea with the seagull, but hated that they just used some string to tie a piece of paper to its legs. Don't seagulls sit on the water when resting. Water, paper and ink don't mix well afair.

What really got me is the Locke story and Sayids reactions. Sayid has always been on the ball, and it's as if he knows what locke is up to but hes just going along with it. Like when locke gave his excuse for taking the C4, Sayid just smiles at him and says "you'll have to do better than that". Locke seems to have an agenda of some sort, I get this sinking suspicion that he is somehow working to fulfill Dharmas objective and is trying to eradicate the "hostiles" from the island. Pushing Mikhail into the fence was completely out of character for him so something must be going on in the background.

Gillie · 19-03-2007 12:22PM

Another great episode. Roll on next week!

scojones · 19-03-2007 03:53PM

9

The best thing about the episode was seeing Claire as a sexy goth. Yum.

JPA · 19-03-2007 04:09PM

6

Surely the writers are trying to change the viewers perception of Locke on purpose only for him to turn out to be the hero later on?

After they got rid of Eko (my favourite character) they surely can't go and make Locke a bad guy as I think he's a lot of peoples favourite character.

V9 · 19-03-2007 07:55PM

8

Great episode I thought, the Locke, kate etc scenes were very good, bring on next week.

SoSueMe · 19-03-2007 09:12PM

8

When they give Emilie de Ravin something to do she is brilliant. I liked this episode a loit, it had a good balance of the beach story and the mission to 'save' Jack. Kate's expression on her face at the end was priceless.

I have always liked knowing something before the characters actually do (Alias and 24) , in this case Jack and Clare are half-siblings. They are not going to make the connection themselves but the Others mught do it for them since they seem to have info on the survivors in great detail.

Patricide · 20-03-2007 12:01AM

8

God what an episode, the whole pylon thing really made it for me, its just so ****ing strange and wierd. Also never seen a pylon anything like that before...for some reason it reminds me of that big foot with 4 toes. Its more than likely nothing at all but thats the first thing that came into my head when i saw em.

Also does it not seem like locke might be an other to anyone else i mean surely. He shuts the russian up after he says the lock i know... then miniutes later kills him(possibly to silence him). Also if he had the c4 then hes been in the basement of the flame so therefore would have surely been seen by the woman that was down there, yet hes uninjured and unharmed. Theres more stuff too but im tired now and cant think of it.

Crucifix · 20-03-2007 12:04AM

8

Good episode. Funniest cliffhanger ever. God I love Tom.

I haven't read the whole thread so I might be repeating; but in Series one didn't Claire say something about her mother having disowned her in the flashback where her boyfriend and her decided to get married?

Locke was pretty cold blooded, and suspicious...I don't want Locke to be a bad guy, but at least it was interesting.

Also I was yelling and cussing at the TV when Rousseau cut off Eyepatch Dude as he was talking about Locke. Hope I didn't wake the baby next door

EDIT: And what a weird looking bird tag!

gustavo · 20-03-2007 12:15AM

8

Great episode I thought ,looks like things are starting to take shape now with an interesting few episodes to come!
Has to be one of the great Lost endings too!
I just hope Locke isn't gonna turn out to be a negative force in the show.

yayamark · 20-03-2007 01:13AM

good show. i tust lock. he has an agenda but it will all work out in the end.
jack is only playing ball with the others aswell. excuse the PUN please:D

Agamemnon · 20-03-2007 03:14AM

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Great stuff, good to see Lost back on form. Both Locke and Danielle are definitely up to something. I hope Sayid calls them both on it in the next episode and it doesn't get forgotten in the efforts to rescue Jack.

I liked Claire's flashback cos it developed her character more and cos black suits her. What will she do when she finds out that Jack is her half-brother and that her father's body is on the island? Christian may not even be dead. He's shown up so often in flashback now that I think he might be working for the Others/Dharma. Maybe he's even the leader Mikhail spoke about.

ArmaniJeanss · 20-03-2007 09:50AM

9

Excellent stuff, I thinks its my first ever 10/10.

Its stretching credibility a bit that its taken 80 days to stumble across what must be 100s of tall pylons circling the camp. And for Rouseau the French 'explorer' not to have noticed them in 15 years....she must be the female equivalent of Inspector Clouseau (hey, just noticed they rhyme !!).

Perhaps the island is really Hong Kong island, and they just havnt stumbled across all the big skyscrapers yet.

Very enjoyable though, with 4 or 5 excellent scenes.

dan_y · 20-03-2007 10:18AM

I think maybe rousseau is LYING? she refused to go to the flame station with the sayid and the gang saying that she has survived by avoiding places like that. she would have combed that island up and down for months looking for her daughter. they took her baby right after it was born - she would not have stopped looking for it until she was Stopped by something she couldn't navigate - a brain exploding fence maybe? rousseau has been living on the island for 16 years with the guilt of losing the most important part of her life - maybe the character has a lot more depth than she's had screen time?

locke needs the island. he thinks the island granted him his mobility to serve a higher purpose and I think maybe desperation is setting in because it keeps frustrating him. remember when his legs seized up in season 1 and he had to send boone up to the plane? he cursed the island, didn't he? something like "you can't do this to me" ? I think he believes if he doesn't figure out what he has to accomplish for the island he'll go back to being paralyzed, so he's resigning himself to getting his hands dirty and alienating the rest of the survivors to keep his special legs.

20-03-2007 10:50AM

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dan_y wrote:

I think maybe rousseau is LYING? she refused to go to the flame station with the sayid and the gang saying that she has survived by avoiding places like that. she would have combed that island up and down for months looking for her daughter.

Or it could be another sloppy inconsistency in the writing symptomatic of making it up as you go along.
Lately I've been looking at a lot of tv series with this view "that doesn't make sense" or "Why are they not asking questions about that" etc etc
With the level of characters on Lost, the idea that on a relatively small island they have only now found the others camp is just unbelieveable.

This episode while it imparted some answers gets a 5 for me as I found it the first episode to make me use fast foward-the cardinal sin of viewing.
The worst one yet for me to be honest but not unsalvageable.
Though I was always of the view that this seemed like it was being made up as they went along ,I saw nothing wrong with that as long as it was an enjoyable little fable.
Heres hoping for something better next week.

ZiabR · 20-03-2007 10:59AM

8

Crucifix wrote:

Good episode. Funniest cliffhanger ever. God I love Tom.

Yeah have to agree with you there, Tom is a cool char also. Watching him throw the ball for Jack to score the touchdown was funny. Really can't wait for this thursday

Old_-_School · 20-03-2007 11:08AM

I thought those pylon things were a bit too phallic looking for comfort!
Desmond obviously shot the gun to scare off the birds which makes no sense. I was hoping when Charlie and Claire released the bird that you'd hear a gunshot and the bird would drop into the ocean!
What's the big deal with Mikhail knowing Sayid and Kate's names and knowing about Locke's paralysis seeing that we already know that the others know every detail about all the Losties from one of the episodes of Jack being in the tank.

shellie11 · 20-03-2007 11:30AM

8

OMG! I taught it was a brilliant epsiode...I think Jack has been brained washed by the others....In that scary room where they put goggle like things on them and have him hooked up to loads of tubes.

I taught that flashback with Claire was really good... And Aunt Lynsey was horrible in it..Poor Claire

I cant believe Jack & Claire are half siblings...:eek:

I think Locke was right to push Mikhail through the security fence because Sayid was actually starting to believe Mikhail and i think Sayid would have convinced them to walk through the fence if Locke hadnt pushed Mikhail...

Aw its still so confusing.....And still so many questions to be answered...

MMM · 20-03-2007 11:52AM

I thought it was a very good episode, great to see kate and claire actualy asking questions for once.
I was a bit confused by Desmond shooting his gun. If Claire and co had captured the bird using the trap then surely charlie would not have needed to go looking for the bird and end up drowning? So why when charlie is safe in the camp, does desmond not let them capture the bird and everything would be fine?
Really interesting the way dr shepherd keeps appearing, is he linked to dharma, or possibly jacob as someone has suggested?

kevmy · 20-03-2007 12:02PM

7

Good episode Lost does seem to be back on form, hopefully they will keep it up. The island is obviously pretty big. It takes days to cross parts of it by keeping close to the coast (see Tailies journey in S2 and Kate and Sawyer this season) While Rousseau may know more than shes letting on I don't think we can get in the Losties face for not having the full island explored yet given some of the sh1t thats happened to them.

Sayid has finally being appointed leader of the Losties in my eyes. Even though Mikhael said he was weak he's still better than Jack or Locke as he at least uses common sense.
Locke obviously has some other agenda. We see him as acting strange but he's always acted strange before its just that we knew his motivations, now we don't and we don't like Locke so much. But this must be what Jack and the rest felt like for the most of S2 dealing with Locke, frustrating as hell cos he won't explain anything.

Thought the flashback was pretty good it's nice to get confirmation of something even if we suspected it for ages.
Also are any of the Losties actually on the list?

lady_j · 20-03-2007 01:04PM

7

How did they get over the fence? I missed a bit flicking through the adbreaks...

shellie11 · 20-03-2007 01:12PM

8

descry wrote:

How did they get over the fence? I missed a bit flicking through the adbreaks...

They made a bridge thing with tree trunks and climbed over the peers...

lady_j · 20-03-2007 01:56PM

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shellie11 wrote:

They made a bridge thing with tree trunks and climbed over the peers...

Thanks, I couldnt understand how they'd got passed the fence when they just appeared in the others compound. Thats what I get for flicking!!

shellie11 · 20-03-2007 02:08PM

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descry wrote:

Thanks, I couldnt understand how they'd got passed the fence when they just appeared in the others compound. Thats what I get for flicking!!

lol, yeh i am even afraid to blink between 10pm & 11pm on a Monday night lol

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ZiabR · 20-03-2007 03:15PM

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MMM wrote:

I thought it was a very good episode, great to see kate and claire actualy asking questions for once.
I was a bit confused by Desmond shooting his gun. If Claire and co had captured the bird using the trap then surely charlie would not have needed to go looking for the bird and end up drowning? So why when charlie is safe in the camp, does desmond not let them capture the bird and everything would be fine?
Really interesting the way dr shepherd keeps appearing, is he linked to dharma, or possibly jacob as someone has suggested?

Thats actually really interesting. I mean Desmond wants to stop Charlie dying. So if he didn't shoot that gun then there is a possibility that Claire would have caught a bird and in turn Charlie would never have to go to the Cliff in the first place.

So in the one hand we have Desmond saving Charlie again, based on the fact that Charlie only had to go there because of Desmond.

In the other hand, we have Desmond in a way "forcing" Charlie to go to the cliff by ruining Claire's trap, by shooting the gun off.

Is Desmond making the work for himself to complete or did he really shoot by mistake.

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[US/IRL] 3X12 - "Par Avion" [ SPOILERS WITHIN ]