[US/IRL] 3X12 - "Par Avion" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Basq

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "PAR AVION" -

Episode Title: "Par Avion"
Airdate: March 14th 2007

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

When Claire has a plan that can get everyone rescued, Charlie starts to exhibit strange behavior. Meanwhile, on their mission to rescue Jack, tension ensues between Locke and Sayid.

Next New Episode: 3X13 - "

The Man From Tallahassee

" - March 21st 2007

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• ABC (US) - March 14th 2007
• Sky One (UK/IRL) - March 18th 2007
• RTÉ2 (UK/IRL) - March 19th 2007

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Giblet

Annoyed the hell out of me at the start, not really going anywhere and asking more questions without really answering any. But my god was Jack scoring a touchdown hilarious!

Sherifu

Giblet wrote:

But my god was Jack scoring a touchdown hilarious!

Great way to finish it out. He looked like such a fool.
Eyepatch getting killed by the sonic fence was cool.
Locke has become such a badass.
The Desmond can see the future/Charlies gonna die thing is getting old.
And Claires story was only interesting cause mr sheppard popped in.
Jack and Claire should defo hook up on the island.

Ste.phen

Incest is best? Jack + Claire... probably not a good idea...

Kate looked hella pissed off/confused at the end, they really still have absolutely no idea what's going on, do they? Not like they've had 3 seasons to fill us in on some details, no?

abelard

8

I actually really enjoyed this one, probably more so than any other this season. The two on-island threads were done well, featured most of the cast, and the flashback was decent as Claire has been a fairly underdeveloped character. While still not answering a massive amount, there was conflict, tension, emotion etc, making for actual good drama.

The revelation of Christian as Claire's father was, I guess, a pretty big revelation. Though most people who read any of the online forums probably figured already, we can't really blame the writers for that.

That Locke knew there was C4 in the flame last week, and even took some, was pretty interesting. I wonder why he intentionally destroyed the flame. Also does that mean he got down into the basement before Kate and Sayid? I would think that's stretching it a bit, I guess he must have found some in the computer room. And I wonder what exactly he plans to do with the C4. Where was Roussea at the end too? She was never seen after they climbed over the "sonic weapon fence".

End was great, Jack looked like such a tool.

edit: I thought Patch man's head was going to blow up. I was disappointed

Kanney

8

My post on another forums.

Okay, my opinions on the episode. Firstly, awesome episode. Absolutely brilliant.
Mikhaeil getting killed (I didnt think he would so quickly) but what a way to go, I dont think anyone saw that coming. Was that why Klugh got shot (as Locke said). Funny Locke after Mikhaeil dies. "Sorry".
At least someone else knows about Charlie's impending doom. Claire is hot as ****. I knew they were bros and sisters (jack and claire) but how will both of them ever know, if she never wanted to know Christians name.
Wahey! We got a teamwork montage "EVEN ROCKY HAD A MONTAGE!"
Highlight of the episode, as many other peoples, Jack playing football. I knew it was coming, but am still really confused. Sayid and Kate should plead for his release, even if Jack wants to stay so he can go off the island eventually.
They could say that Aaron or someone is really sick and they need the doctor. Basically Jack joining the Other just means that anyone with any type of illness among the Losties will die slowly, surely Jack can't let that happen.
Good Spike aswell. Nice one Pawtucket Pat!

<SNIP>

My 2 Cents.

I thought the same abelard, about Rousseau but when the creep through the bushes as it pans out at Othersville, she is in front, she must've been scouting ahead with Sayid

Oh and here.


MOD EDIT: Kanney.. revealing information contained in the next episode's preview is a big no-on. First and final warning!

kaimera

8

Really enojoyed the ep aside from the beach stuff.

Claire's backstory didn't interest me that much at all aside from the "I am your father".

Damn you Locke. Innocent my arse. Excellent death by Mikhaeil but tbh I was expecting something like that really. It couldn't have been anything bar a security perimeter.

Mint ending aswell. Roll on next week.

steviec

Thought it was a fantastic episode, best in a long while and just when I was starting to get annoyed with the show.

First of all, the arguments between Locke and Sayid, it looks like Locke wasn't quite as utterly stupid as he appeared last week and he seems to have some motive of his own, I'll be interested to see how that plays out. Nice to see them properly questioning eachother for once.

Then the main story thread with Claire, I thought her flashbacks were great and the stuff with Charlie was interesting too, nice to see a vague attempt to get themselves rescued too, it seemed like they'd just given up. I doubt anything will come of it but it just made it feel more real, like Bernard's episode last Season, it's like there's been so much focus on the others that everyone's forgotten they're trapped on a desert island.

And then the ending, fantastic! Sets up next week nicely. Look forward to seeing where they go with it.

Basq

7

Kanney wrote:

Haven't seen the episode yet but that prance is absolutely hilarious!

Kazooie

7

After a dissapointing start this season is finally showing some promise. Even with one of the worst characters as the basis (How hot did she look as a goth!) it was a good episode. Yes we all seen the revelation about Claire's father but for the casual viewer it would have been a shock.
Locke is up to something. What was Mikhail going to say about him before he was interrupted. I reckon Locke killed him on purpose because of this.
Roll on next week.

Sherifu

Kazooie wrote:

What was Mikhail going to say about him before he was interrupted. I reckon Locke killed him on purpose because of this.

He was going to say the John Locke he knew was paralyzed.
I was thinking the same thing.
It could be a factor in why he killed him if not the main reason.

Kazooie

7

How did he know he was paralysed? From that safari he tried to go on?

Gingervitis

7

i've given out shi t about this season so far, so at least it's nice to stand a little bit corrected on this episode.
i'm not sure if Desmond was deliberate in shooting his gun, or if it was an accident. seems to be the latter, which is kind of a crap coincidence...
Still leaves it hanging why claire went to L.A, any thoughts?
Jack brainwashed? or just forgot like Rousseau mentioned? hasn't forgotten how to act like a twát:rolleyes:

BopNiblets

That was a good episode I thought, discovery and demonstration of a "sonic brain-melting fence" is always good!

Yeah Locke is up to something, could he be about to go all Rambo on the Others and start blowing shít up?!
Let's hope so.

Touchdown! \o/

Sunn

what was the book sawyer was reading?

Narcissus

8

Sunn wrote:

what was the book sawyer was reading?

Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead

This was a good episode. How exactly did Mikhail know Locke I wonder. The ending was very good. Has Jack been brainwashed or is he playing along? Can't wait for next week!

cooker3

Well I enjoyed it. It was good to see a Claire back story as they really havent been many, always good to see someone fresh.

I think most of us had a fair idea Christian was Claires father but it always good to see him. He is really turning into 1 of the most important characters of the whole show, seems to have a connection with everyone.

As has already been said, good to see Locke wasn't being really stupid last week and there was a point to his actions. It looked he definately knew Patchy, has Locke being a mole all along?

And as for the ending, genius. Touchdown!!!

Haven't a Clue

6

Gingervitis wrote:

i've given out shi t about this season so far, so at least it's nice to stand a little bit corrected on this episode.
i'm not sure if Desmond was deliberate in shooting his gun, or if it was an accident. seems to be the latter, which is kind of a crap coincidence...
Still leaves it hanging why claire went to L.A, any thoughts?
Jack brainwashed? or just forgot like Rousseau mentioned? hasn't forgotten how to act like a twát:rolleyes:

Wasn't it because of the psycho-whateverthingy giving her a ticket to LA cause she was 'in great daynger'?

Anyway, in regards to the episode:

Extremely boring in parts, but whenever it was on Locke, Sayid and that gang, it was always pretty interesting.

Flashbacks were boring and predictable. It was pretty obvious since the Ana-Lucia flashbacks last year that we'd find out the whole Claire and Jack thing.

Claire/Charlie/Desmond story on the island was pretty boring too. Only thing that came out of it was Claire finding out why Charlie's been a grumpy ba5tard, which I couldn't have given a sh1te about if she found out or not.

The Locke/Sayid and that gang was always pretty interesting. I was hoping Mikhael would kinda explode or something, but his death was pretty cool.

The ending was some kick in the balls too. Twas pretty funny, I thought, seeing Jack and Tom all friendly, though even Jack's touchdown celebration managed to piss me off. I despise the guy.

Another thing that pissed me off, and it happened in the last episode too, is Danielle interrupting them when something interesting's about to be said. In the last episode, she interrupted Sayid and Mickael when Mikhael was about to say something. This time she interrupted Mikhael and Locke when Mikhael said he recognised Locke.

:mad:

Star Lord

9

Kanney thank you for spoiling a bit of next weeks episode for those of us that deliberately avoid the previews, and for not spoilering it either. :mad:

Looks like Jack has been "inducted" or that the others have sat down with him and let him in on whatever it is that has made Cindy able to wander around among them too.

Fantastic episode! Mmmmmm Claire...

As a lot of you said, we all suspected that Claire and Jack share a dad, but it was great to see it confirmed! And what the hell with one of those first replies that said that they revealed nothing? THAT has been the subject of a lot of the speculation, and they finally let us know that we were right!

\o/ w00t!
Touchdown!!!

[edit]
Oh yeah, and Mikhael obviously knew about all of them, as he referred to Sayid, Kate and Locke by their full names. And yeah he was about to say he was paralized.

Mikhael wrote:

Of course I don't know you Sayid Jarrah, how could I?
And you Kate Austin, are a complete stranger to me.
But you John Locke, you I might have a fleeting memory of. But I must be confused, because the John Locke I knew was para...

So he was making sure they knew that he knew more about them than they thought.

Also nice to get an acknowledgement of the fact that there was no communication between them about the C4 etc last week!

mr_angry

Haven't a Clue wrote:

Another thing that pissed me off, and it happened in the last episode too, is Danielle interrupting them when something interesting's about to be said. In the last episode, she interrupted Sayid and Mickael when Mikhael was about to say something. This time she interrupted Mikhael and Locke when Mikhael said he recognised Locke.

:mad:

Hmmm. I disagree slightly. I think Mikhaeli had made his point, and was just being sarcastic. He knew Sayid's name, he knew Kate, and he was pointing out that he knew all about Locke too. The sarcasm just emphasised that the others are virtually omnipotent when compared with the Losties. Danielle's intervention really only served one purpose - to conceal Locke's paralysis from Sayid and Kate, and it just seemed unfortunate.

One bit of that episode really pleased me, and that was Kate demanding answers from Mikhaeli - about time somebody asked some bloody questions! Unfortunately, his brain leaked out his ears shortly afterward. I have no idea why Locke has gone Rambo... he might be out to destroy the others, but he certainly isn't winning any friends in his own camp either. I can only assume that "the island" is influencing him, but it all seems a bit strange. If I was Sayid, I'd be taking all those guns and C4 away from him!

anotherlostie

8

A couple of good eps in a row. Is Lost Season 3 finally on a roll? I hope so, and without spoiling it, the word on the street for the next two episodes is very good.

Mikhail's death was pretty gruesome - I too expected the head to blow off, but the scene was pretty intense for Lost. Most graphic death since Mr. Artz, Remember him?

What is Locke about? The revelation of the C4 has totally confused me, and I await his next backstory with interest, if it gives some island plot development. Is he in cahoots with Ben?

Claire as a goth. Who would have thought? Her story was interesting - really only her second proper flashback. I guess it means she is another one who did a bad thing (being responsible for the crash) and having Daddy issues, albeit with the same Daddy as one of the others. No doubt the Others will do some typing on her in coming weeks to reveal the secret...if they don't already know, of course. I thought it was sad at the end, to see her still visiting her mother, but I really wanted to get back to the explorers, and see what was over the fence. And I almost expected her to die when she was following Dessie, but no, she was spared.

The scenes with Sayid and co had a great sense of first season Lost, when all was about discovery, and a sense of unease with your companions. But it really does stretch the bounds of credibility that Rousseau had never, in 16 years, seen the Flame station or the fence. She was definitely at the head of the group before they saw Jack and Tom in action.

JPA

6

Anyone else annoyed by the way they put the note on the bird without any kind of protection on it?
It's a seagull and it's paper. I don't think it will last too long. [/pettiness]

ixoy

6

Decent enough once I chose to ignore the credulity-stretching concept of them not noticing a big line of pylons (or Rosseau not seeing it either). S4 maybe to feature the island's shopping mall and international airport over the hill?

Anyway, the Claire revelation confirmed something that was about question #29 in my list of questions to be answered, so still a fair bit to do writers...

As to Locke being a moron again - at least the other Losties pulled him up on it. They should have shoved him into the sonic device to test it. Seriously, are we meant to still sympathise with him or are the writers actually succeeding in aim to make us dislike/distrust him?

Creamy Goodness

anyone notice the red thing on the inside of jack's left arm when doing his touchdown boogie?

could it be a new tattoo? or more likely harm caused by the others?

this was a good episode.

Star Lord

9

JPA wrote:

Anyone else annoyed by the way they put the note on the bird without any kind of protection on it?
It's a seagull and it's paper. I don't think it will last too long. [/pettiness]

You're not the only one... Thought we were gonna see Charlie's baggie get recycled

And Cremo I hadn't noticed that, just went back and spotted it, looks like a tattoo to me!

Basq

7

The end of the episode was odd.. it was both intriguing to see Jack playing a friendly game with Mr Friendly (or Tom, wasn't it?) and hilarious to see the prance / boogie he finished on.

No real suprise with the Claire - Jack revelation.. that's been pretty much on the cards since last season with Ana-Lucia and Christian showing up at Claire's mothers house. And also one of the points at the start of the season that Cuse and Lindelof said they'd reveal was that two of the islanders were siblings - so was far from a shock from me. But liked how they avoided mentioning Christian's name to Claire.

ixoy wrote:

Seriously, are we meant to still sympathise with him or are the writers actually succeeding in aim to make us dislike/distrust him?

My once favourite character has sure gone down a couple of notches this season. And the writer's are now making Locke make increasingly stupid decisions. But i do think it's these stupid decisions will end up being the undo-ing of John Locke.. be it death or something similar. And i'd imagine this undo-ing will be the near future.

But Locke pushing Mikhali into the beam was fantastic. Yeah, stupid of him but quite unexpected all the same.

Anyways.. looking forward to next week!

randomchild

Great episode and we got a glimpse of what this whole list thing is about. Plus that has to be favourite ending to an episode of lost ever. Oh and what the hell Ben isnt the leader? That whole convo with patchy blew my mind. Oh and it is my personal belief that Locke has had another vision from the island we are unaware of. I think the island told him to blow up the flame hatch and kill Patchy (or at least throw him into the security system), and perhaps this is his motive for going on this expidition.

Sinfonia

Was it Claire's aunt's house then, that Christian went to with Ana Lucia?

randomchild wrote:

Oh and what the hell Ben isnt the leader?

From a previous episode:

Tom: "Shepherd wasn't even on Jacob's list."

Probably Jacob's the owner and Ben's the manager (in a business analogy).

What a great ending, can't wait for next week now.
And Claire in boots and black hair - hawt!



Oh, and about Jack's tattoo, he's had it for the entire run of the show

ZiabR

8

Really liked this ep. LOST is really starting to pick up again now and the ep's are getting stronger every week.

I know most people didn't like the Claire back story, but i don't mind the back stories as long as what is going on, on the island is good .

A few things annoyed me though. If that is a defence perimeter then it is keeping something very dangerous out i.e. the Black Smoke!. And that would mean that it would have to be online 365 days a year full time. Then how was it unharmed by the huge EMP??? I mean they would not have had the time to repair every capactor on the fence before the (smoke) would have breached the fence and moved towards the barracks.

Loche and Kate were on the original LIST but Jack and Sayid were not. Ben even said a few ep's back that they would let Jack go. I think that they are just showing him they are not animals before letting him go BUT at the same time Jack maybe pretending to be friendly to build up their trust and trying to find out more about them.

I would not be surprised if he turns a blind eye to Kate/Sayid/John attempt to rescue him (in order to build up the trust of the others)

I gave it a 9 though overall

abelard

8

Is the flashback getting a little too much criticism?

I thought it was really sad, especially the last section with Claire in tears. Does the flashback have to have some sort of mega-revelation to make it good? The show is primarily a drama (I know I'm gonna get crucified for saying that) and I thought the flashback made for some good viewing.

And imagine if you we hadn't known the Christian-Claire connection before? I think on the whole it was one of the best flashback sequences in a long time.

Hyzepher

Locke is definately on another agenda than the rest - rescuing Jack is secondary for him. Since Mikhail seemed to know Locke from when we was in a wheelchair I am assuming that we will see him in one of Locke's flashbacks very soon - probably in the same one were we see why Locke is paralysed. However, for me Locke hasn't given any real indication that he recognised Mikhail. He may have killed him because he knew his secret but I didn't get the feeling that Locke knew him from the time he saw him in the Pearl hatch.

I think Locke doesn't want to leave the island and go back to living in the chair."Don't tell me what I can't do!" He seems hell bent on proving that he is up for a challenge even when he was paraysed. I think his mission is to take control of the island from the Others and make it somewhere that he can live out the rest of his life. He is in Love with the island

Sad Professor

8

Brilliant episode and I loved the cliffhanger. Unlike a lot of people I've really enjoyed this season so far, little by little we've been finding out a lot about the Others and I'm pretty certain they are telling the truth about being the "good guys". The real bad guys I suspect is/was Dharma or some other outside influence. Things are getting complicated.

DeepBlue

7

For some reason that ending gave me a flashback to Emperor Zurg and Buzz Lightyear playing catch in Toy Story 2 .
Probably the best "WTF???!!" ending since Michael decided to get trigger happy in Season 2.

cooker3

What does the title par avion mean?

Sad Professor

8

cooker3 wrote:

What does the title par avion mean?

It's french and means "by air". It appears on airmail stamps.

AlmightyCushion

logik wrote:

A few things annoyed me though. If that is a defence perimeter then it is keeping something very dangerous out i.e. the Black Smoke!. And that would mean that it would have to be online 365 days a year full time. Then how was it unharmed by the huge EMP??? I mean they would not have had the time to repair every capactor on the fence before the (smoke) would have breached the fence and moved towards the barracks.

The fence could be shielded to protect it from an emp blast. Given the fact that there is a huge electro magnetic anomolie on the island I'd say that protecting the fence from an emp would be a priority.

AdMMM

7

Another strong episode - looks as if they're finally back on track. I'm beginning to wonder did they intentially make Episode 09 out to be terrible so we'd think all the following episodes would be fantastic!

It was certainly a bit dragged out in parts (the Claire flashback in particular) but I do feel that there was sufficent story development and I really did like the way that it initially looked as if Jack was running towards Kate, Sayid and John!

L31mr0d

7

ok could someone explain to me how we knew Christian was Claires father before this episode? I think i've forgotten.

Otherwise a decent episode. Good idea with the seagull, but hated that they just used some string to tie a piece of paper to its legs. Don't seagulls sit on the water when resting. Water, paper and ink don't mix well afair.

What really got me is the Locke story and Sayids reactions. Sayid has always been on the ball, and it's as if he knows what locke is up to but hes just going along with it. Like when locke gave his excuse for taking the C4, Sayid just smiles at him and says "you'll have to do better than that". Locke seems to have an agenda of some sort, I get this sinking suspicion that he is somehow working to fulfill Dharmas objective and is trying to eradicate the "hostiles" from the island. Pushing Mikhail into the fence was completely out of character for him so something must be going on in the background.

Gillie

Another great episode. Roll on next week!

scojones

9

The best thing about the episode was seeing Claire as a sexy goth. Yum.

JPA

6

Surely the writers are trying to change the viewers perception of Locke on purpose only for him to turn out to be the hero later on?

After they got rid of Eko (my favourite character) they surely can't go and make Locke a bad guy as I think he's a lot of peoples favourite character.

V9

8

Great episode I thought, the Locke, kate etc scenes were very good, bring on next week.

SoSueMe

8

When they give Emilie de Ravin something to do she is brilliant. I liked this episode a loit, it had a good balance of the beach story and the mission to 'save' Jack. Kate's expression on her face at the end was priceless.

I have always liked knowing something before the characters actually do (Alias and 24) , in this case Jack and Clare are half-siblings. They are not going to make the connection themselves but the Others mught do it for them since they seem to have info on the survivors in great detail.

Patricide

8

God what an episode, the whole pylon thing really made it for me, its just so ****ing strange and wierd. Also never seen a pylon anything like that before...for some reason it reminds me of that big foot with 4 toes. Its more than likely nothing at all but thats the first thing that came into my head when i saw em.

Also does it not seem like locke might be an other to anyone else i mean surely. He shuts the russian up after he says the lock i know... then miniutes later kills him(possibly to silence him). Also if he had the c4 then hes been in the basement of the flame so therefore would have surely been seen by the woman that was down there, yet hes uninjured and unharmed. Theres more stuff too but im tired now and cant think of it.

Crucifix

8

Good episode. Funniest cliffhanger ever. God I love Tom.

I haven't read the whole thread so I might be repeating; but in Series one didn't Claire say something about her mother having disowned her in the flashback where her boyfriend and her decided to get married?

Locke was pretty cold blooded, and suspicious...I don't want Locke to be a bad guy, but at least it was interesting.

Also I was yelling and cussing at the TV when Rousseau cut off Eyepatch Dude as he was talking about Locke. Hope I didn't wake the baby next door

EDIT: And what a weird looking bird tag!

gustavo

8

Great episode I thought ,looks like things are starting to take shape now with an interesting few episodes to come!
Has to be one of the great Lost endings too!
I just hope Locke isn't gonna turn out to be a negative force in the show.

yayamark

good show. i tust lock. he has an agenda but it will all work out in the end.
jack is only playing ball with the others aswell. excuse the PUN please:D

Agamemnon

8

Great stuff, good to see Lost back on form. Both Locke and Danielle are definitely up to something. I hope Sayid calls them both on it in the next episode and it doesn't get forgotten in the efforts to rescue Jack.

I liked Claire's flashback cos it developed her character more and cos black suits her. What will she do when she finds out that Jack is her half-brother and that her father's body is on the island? Christian may not even be dead. He's shown up so often in flashback now that I think he might be working for the Others/Dharma. Maybe he's even the leader Mikhail spoke about.

ArmaniJeanss

9

Excellent stuff, I thinks its my first ever 10/10.

Its stretching credibility a bit that its taken 80 days to stumble across what must be 100s of tall pylons circling the camp. And for Rouseau the French 'explorer' not to have noticed them in 15 years....she must be the female equivalent of Inspector Clouseau (hey, just noticed they rhyme !!).

Perhaps the island is really Hong Kong island, and they just havnt stumbled across all the big skyscrapers yet.

Very enjoyable though, with 4 or 5 excellent scenes.

dan_y

I think maybe rousseau is LYING? she refused to go to the flame station with the sayid and the gang saying that she has survived by avoiding places like that. she would have combed that island up and down for months looking for her daughter. they took her baby right after it was born - she would not have stopped looking for it until she was Stopped by something she couldn't navigate - a brain exploding fence maybe? rousseau has been living on the island for 16 years with the guilt of losing the most important part of her life - maybe the character has a lot more depth than she's had screen time?

locke needs the island. he thinks the island granted him his mobility to serve a higher purpose and I think maybe desperation is setting in because it keeps frustrating him. remember when his legs seized up in season 1 and he had to send boone up to the plane? he cursed the island, didn't he? something like "you can't do this to me" ? I think he believes if he doesn't figure out what he has to accomplish for the island he'll go back to being paralyzed, so he's resigning himself to getting his hands dirty and alienating the rest of the survivors to keep his special legs.

dan_y

4

dan_y wrote:

I think maybe rousseau is LYING? she refused to go to the flame station with the sayid and the gang saying that she has survived by avoiding places like that. she would have combed that island up and down for months looking for her daughter.

Or it could be another sloppy inconsistency in the writing symptomatic of making it up as you go along.
Lately I've been looking at a lot of tv series with this view "that doesn't make sense" or "Why are they not asking questions about that" etc etc
With the level of characters on Lost, the idea that on a relatively small island they have only now found the others camp is just unbelieveable.

This episode while it imparted some answers gets a 5 for me as I found it the first episode to make me use fast foward-the cardinal sin of viewing.
The worst one yet for me to be honest but not unsalvageable.
Though I was always of the view that this seemed like it was being made up as they went along ,I saw nothing wrong with that as long as it was an enjoyable little fable.
Heres hoping for something better next week.