PS3 €630 in Ireland threads (merged)

Wompa1 · 17-01-2007 10:32PM

I work in a game retailer and I'm pretty sure for your 700 euros your getting the 60 GB PS3 and A Sony Brand Game, but that was when it was being released in November could change for better or worse

Wompa1 · 17-01-2007 10:41PM

Anyways, the sony defence force will be here soon," sure the xbox 360 costs 400 euro, plus 200 euro for the hd-dvd drive, plus 100 euro for the wireless adpater plus plus....... the ps3 is a flippin bargain!"

Where I'm workin its 200 for the HD-DVD Drive, Wireless Adaptor is 80 euro and you can get the 360 with a game from a list for 410 or for 470 with any game, a second wireless controller and Project Gotham Racing and Arcade Unplugged. I think the real tester will be HD-DVD v Blue Ray, I can't see both of them co-existing, buzz is that some Movie Distributors will be siding with Blu Ray and others with HD-DVD, so one or the other could become obsolete, at least with the 360 the Drive is external..I have spoken :P

faceman · 17-01-2007 11:00PM

We're a nation of tolerators. Sony can charge what they want, people will still buy it. There is no people power in this country, hence the rip off culture.

Dont believe me? Check out the aer lingus baggage charge which kicked off today. Loads of people moaning about it on tv and radio today. How many complaints did Aer Lingus receive today about it? (confirmed on the news today)

0

So when ps3 comes out and you dont like the price, dont buy it. Im very disappointed at this price news. Im gonna invest in an xBox instead. I was holdin out for ps3 but sod that!

DeVore · 17-01-2007 11:03PM

Finally. Today is the day. I've been waiting for some time for it. The day that I buy a PC which cost less then console (even if it is a prediction!).

Jesus Christ, I mean... 650 notes for a console?!

I think when they said "Next Generation" they meant it would be *ready* for the next generation and that only they would be able to afford it after years of saving. Sony have just lost it, makes my mind up I'm buying an XBox...

DeV.

PixelTrawler · 18-01-2007 12:01AM

I have a 360 and not wanting to get involved in flaming but with my 360 i also got the wifi card and hd dvd drive which was 680 in total...

So the argument that the 360 is cheap is not necessarily true once you add a few bits and pieces

Retr0gamer · 18-01-2007 12:54AM

I've also heard that the porn industry will be siding with HD-DVD. The porn industry siding with VHS over betamax was what effectively killed betamax.

Creamy Goodness · 18-01-2007 12:58AM

Stephen wrote:

Sony cunningly disabled 3d graphics acceleration in the linux distribution, just to make things that little bit ****tier.

ahh lol.

still thought, it will probably be only a matter of time before someone figures a bypass. i seriously hope so as it was one of the most interesting features of this 700 euro piece of plastic.

Retr0gamer · 18-01-2007 01:10AM

The rumour is that Sony are throwing in a free tub of KY Jelly for the Irish market.

Thrill · 18-01-2007 01:15AM

Anyone willing to fork out over 600 euro for a PS3 is not going to worry about the 30 euro tax ffs.

Anyone know what the average price a game for the thing is?

AceCard Jones · 18-01-2007 01:39AM

I was going to post a thread about this earlier when I seen it announced on eurogamer, but this board was going mad slow so I didn't bother.

This is pretty much what I expected, I was thinking I was going to have to pay €650 for the premium model so I'm quite happy.
I think the best news is that we are also only getting the premium model at launch.Now there is no chance of me ending up only being offered the basic one.

Although I can see a problem here for anyone who has planned to get the basic model all along.But I'm incredibly happy with all the news today.
March launch confirmed (Although no exact date given), premium model only at launch for Ireland, and the price doesn't bother me.
So it's all good.

sprinkles · 18-01-2007 01:46AM

Retr0gamer wrote:

I've also heard that the porn industry will be siding with HD-DVD. The porn industry siding with VHS over betamax was what effectively killed betamax.

Is ther anything porn can't do?

I'm not surprised at all at the price increase (expected) but I'm completely outraged that the Japanese get a reduction and we get and increase. Not tha I was going to rush out and buy one anyway but this really does put a sour note on the PS3......

I mean what can this do better that my wii and 360 can't? By all accounts the on line service is sh*te, the motion control is supposed to be fidlly and nothing as good compared to the wii controller (and no rumble feature) and the cross-platform games will be no better then the 360. Unless they have 2 or 3 killers apps, and I mean AAAA titles then I'll sit this one out.

johnny_ultimate · 18-01-2007 01:47AM

Retr0gamer wrote:

I've also heard that the porn industry will be siding with HD-DVD. The porn industry siding with VHS over betamax was what effectively killed betamax.

Porn or no porn, it is always the format with the better acronym that wins.
Exhibit A : VHS & Betamax. VHS - catchier acronym. You Winner!
Exhibit B : DVD & erm... Laserdisc / UMD . DVD - better acronym. Winners Don't Use Drugs!
Based on this logic (i.e. Phoenix Wright logic) HD-DVD will win.
Imagine saying "I'm going up to the shop for a Blu-Ray". Sounds wrong.

fifth · 18-01-2007 01:56AM

More like €700 as all shops will be selling them as bundles.

All I can say is:

a) I'm not getting one
b) anyone thinking of it, please, PLEASE be sensible. Think about it!

Kur4mA · 18-01-2007 02:02AM

Retr0gamer wrote:

I've also heard that the porn industry will be siding with HD-DVD. The porn industry siding with VHS over betamax was what effectively killed betamax.

This is correct, and is the reason I'm pretty sure Blu Ray is gonna lose this battle.

Sony has made mistake after mistake with the PS3. One of the biggest ones imo, is that they've taken away options and forced their High Definition solution down your throat, whilst Microsoft has done nothing but give more options. I've read that at the moment, MS still think that both HDDVD and Blu Ray could possibly fail which is why they've given the option of the HDDVD player as an add-on.

Sony jacking the price up for the addition of a Blu Ray player(that CANNOT upscale) is just stupid imo. I'm advising everyone I know not to go near the PS3 for a long time, and not just because of the price. Here are the main reasons:

- If HDDVD loses out in this format battle, Microsoft will simply just bring out an add-on Blu Ray drive(they can and if needed, they will;)). What will Sony do if Blu Ray loses this battle of formats? (this is now VERY possible...)

- A less mentioned point is that current HDDVD and Blu-Ray drives have lower peak data rates than a 12X DVD drive, meaning that load times increase when running games from a HDDVD/Blu-Ray drive, all other things being held constant. PS3 games can "install" to the HD to alleviate this problem, but that solution doesn't seem too elegant (will you have to manage games' install files at 3-5GB apiece when the 20/60GB drive fills up?)

- The PS3 at this time has no way of taking a 720p-native game and showing it at any resolution above that. If your television doesn't support 720p, the PS3 is not a good buy if you want high-definition gaming. This is gonna suck for a lot of people e.g the guys that don't care about a HD TV or what resolutions their HD TV supports.

But never mind all of this. What about little Johnny casual gamer that doesn't give a shíte about gaming and watching movies in high definition? Blu what now?

P.S
I AM NOT A FANBOY.

Creamy Goodness · 18-01-2007 02:04AM

Retr0gamer wrote:

The rumour is that Sony are throwing in a free tub of KY Jelly for the Irish market.

you'll need more than a tub to get that turkey up there.

0ubliette · 18-01-2007 10:07AM

Retr0gamer wrote:

I've also heard that the porn industry will be siding with HD-DVD. The porn industry siding with VHS over betamax was what effectively killed betamax.

Sony have stopped porn producers using blu ray outright, havent they?
Anyway, i honestly cant fathom how Sony expect the ps3 to take off at this price. Seriously, 650 for the console and say, at 70 a pop per game, that another 140 for 2 games, unless you got for a bundle (and lets face it that wont be much cheaper, and the bundled games usually suck) youre talking the guts of 1000 euro, for a ****ing PLAYSTATION??
Theyve effectively killed any chance they had of getting Mr. & Mrs. pee ess tew is bleedin rapa its got WIKKID GRAFFIX (aka the 'casual' gamer)from buying thier machine. Theyll price themselves out of the console race altogether at this point.

faceman · 18-01-2007 10:08AM

kyub wrote:

This is correct, and is the reason I'm pretty sure Blu Ray is gonna lose this battle. Sony has made mistake after mistake with the PS3. One of the biggest ones imo, is that they've taken away options and forced their High Definition solution down your throat, whilst Microsoft has done nothing but give more options. I've read that at the moment, MS still think that both HDDVD and Blu Ray could possibly fail which is why they've given the option of the HDDVD player as an add-on.

as bad as sony are, MS are no angels either. Remember the original promos for xbox 360? "the only entertainment unit you need in your living room!" Eh, is that why you have to buy the HD DVD as an add on with its own cabling etc??? still tho i always felt sony made a bad choice goin with blu ray.

IgsTer · 18-01-2007 10:48AM

this was always going to be priced at 630euro thats not really a shock...

Kanney · 18-01-2007 11:54AM

God damn it. This sucks, I have spent time saving and the prices continue to rise. Im losing interest in launch day now.

Vegeta · 18-01-2007 12:15PM

where the hell is Projectmayhem, LookingFor and McDermot????

ambro25 · 18-01-2007 12:42PM

Not read all of the thread, but allow me (firmly in the camp of the 'against') to synthesize as follows:

I. Irish RRP issue:

Sony hints no basic/value PS3 pack and premium PS3 pack only for Ireland

Sony then confirms Irish RRP for premium PS3 pack is €30 more than rest of Europe

Irish VAT rate of 21% compared to rest of Europe

Conclusion - Irish PS3 more expensive has nothing to do with Irish VAT rate.

II. HD-DVD / Blue-Ray issue:

(i) The format war hasn't quite started yet, because considering the number of both HD-DVD (incl. 360) and Blue Ray players (incl. PS3) installed, it's still only just the beginning of the beginning.

(ii) Irrespective of which format a punter goes for (i.e. 360 or PS3), if the console has no HDMI or DVI out (and I don't believe that either 360 or basic PS3 have one yet), there is a risk that if ("when", really) HD/Blue Ray DVD authors/publishers (MGM, 20th FOX, etc.) set the HDCP flag on, the console will not play the DVD. Not many people know/are aware of that one.

Conclusion - Choosing a console based on its DVD format is IMHO irrelevant at this far-too-early stage.

Oh... and projectmayhem is busy in other threads countering my unabashed Sony-lamping

(the "flood approach" seems to be working - Sony's helping lots at the moment, mind

).

Did anyone else pickup on the recent more-and-more insistent noises about a non-March release?

Have fun!

kaimera · 18-01-2007 12:51PM

IgsTer wrote:

this was always going to be priced at 630euro thats not really a shock...

before the store markup. Thats the problem.

Whats a ps3?

Headshot · 18-01-2007 01:13PM

i have all 3 consoles (360, wii ,ps3)

and the ps3 is the one that has impressed me the most

yes it cost alot but it will come down in price

and the games are multi regional so you dont have to pay 70 euro for a ps3 game (so far any way)

the war of the consoles will be fought in japan

the Japanese dont like xbox 360 they prefere wii
and probly the ps3 when they start producing more

and as for the blue-ray versus hd dvd

we'll see

for the ps3 you dont have to buy extra hardware to play blue - ray dvds unlike the 360

im not a fan boy

i use to love xbox consoles but after the way Microsoft threated me with my xbox 360 ie stopped working for me
they can **** off

at lest they gave me a new one after 3 months :rolleyes:

For me Graphics mean alot
yes Zelda tp was brilliant but the graphics weren't great
this is where Nintendo might fail with the wii ,but in time we'll see

koneko · 18-01-2007 01:32PM

The PS3 has impressed you most, based on what? That's a genuine question, not a snide remark, what is about the PS3 right now that makes it a better console or more impressive?

As far as a hardware failure goes, will you react that way aswell if your PS3 fails? What if you were this guy.

ambro25 · 18-01-2007 01:33PM

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote:

the war of the consoles will be fought in japan

Not in this generation it won't.

It used to be, because up to PS1 level, average game development costs could still be offset in that market alone, or in the US market alone. PS2/XB1 started to change that, because for stellar-AAA titles, global sales were starting to be required/considered to offset the development costs, and increasingly-spiralling marketing costs.

In this gen, considering the amount of marketing for consoles and games (think about it, even 2 years ago or so!) for all 3 consoles, and game development costs (PS3/360, Wii to a much lesser extent), global user base is what will decide the matter, because even a sure-fire hit in JP may very well still not be enough to make a profit.

That's been at the core of the "will Sony/won't Sony take a bloody nose" debate, with PS3 launching so late after XB360, respective installed user bases and ths possible effect of same on game development projects.

Too early to tell, I agree. But global, not JP.

koneko wrote:

As far as a hardware failure goes, will you react that way aswell if your PS3 fails?

He'll be FUBAR'd, because Sony do not honor international warranties on PS3s.

humanji · 18-01-2007 01:35PM

Where MS might have an ace up their sleaves is the fact that dual players are currently on the verge of release ie players that play both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, so if they can get an add-on drive that plays both, then they'll have a bit of an advantage.

But regardless, I honstly don't know why you're all complaining. It's scientifically proven that Europeans, and especially the Irish, prefer to pay more and to wait longer for things to be released. It's true! Sony, did the research and they wouldn't lie!

johnny_ultimate · 18-01-2007 01:38PM

humanji wrote:

Where MS might have an ace up their sleaves is the fact that dual players are currently on the verge of release ie players that play both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, so if they can get an add-on drive that plays both, then they'll have a bit of an advantage.

It would be great if dual players did get a release. This choosing between new formats is a risky business, and to be honest Id say the vast majority of people have no interest in upgrading just yet. A dual player would certainly take the risk away
And MS have said that if Blu Ray 'happens to win', they will release an add-on for the 360.

Headshot · 18-01-2007 01:51PM

koneko wrote:

The PS3 has impressed you most, based on what? That's a genuine question, not a snide remark, what is about the PS3 right now that makes it a better console or more impressive?

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it based on games such as fall of man and motorstorm

there only first generation games

imagine after a few months when the developers have gotten use to the ps3 programming etc

the games will be class

the machine is nicer looking on the eyes compared to the 360 and its doesnt produce as much noise as the 360

and its free to play online so far

i dont know about other ps3 owners here but after a while of game playing i love the new contoller

even R2 and L2

Ri_Nollaig · 18-01-2007 01:52PM

Vegeta wrote:

where the hell is Projectmayhem, LookingFor and McDermot????

You know i was wondering the same thing! If you want some more entertainment have a look back at pervious threads where such topics as the dual hdmi and the like where discussed

@ambro25
i think both ps3 models have hdmi so i guess ps3 will never have any hdcp problems.

0ubliette · 18-01-2007 01:59PM

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote:

it based on games such as fall of man and motorstorm

there only first generation games

imagine after a few months when the developers have gotten use to the ps3 programming etc

the games will be class

the machine is nicer looking on the eyes compared to the 360 and its doesnt produce as much noise as the 360

and its free to play online so far

i dont know about other ps3 owners here but after a while of game playing i love the new contoller

even R2 and L2

Its free online alright, and apparrently has a very poor online component, so you get what you pay for i guess.

Nicer on the eyes then the 360? Sure, if i want a george foreman grill sitting under my TV. 360's curves and white colour make it look alot sleeker than the ps3.

And according to this, 360 is the quietest next gen console:

As with some other recent reports concerning the trio of new consoles, we're not asserting that this decibel test is entirely accurate, as the methodology was far from scientific, but the results were interesting -- and a bit unexpected -- to say the least. While users have long since complained that the Xbox 360 kicked out an unusual amount of fan noise courtesy of the overheating problems it's been plagued with, one lucky owner of all three consoles found that Microsoft's unit actually wasn't the biggest racket-maker in the bunch, all things considered. By utilizing a standard handheld decibel meter, he measured the ambient sound output of the Wii, PS3, and Xbox 360 just after start-up, playing games sans an optical disc, and during disc playback to judge which console is noisiest overall. While results were noticeably mixed, it was concluded that the Xbox 360, on average, was actually the quietest of the bunch, and while the PS3 remained fairly calm initially, an extended period of play threw its fans (and consequently, the noise factor) into overdrive. Interestingly, Nintendo's Wii kept nearly silent during bootup, but after playing a few rounds of Wii Sports, it actually became the loudest of the three, clocking in at 70dB, or nearly 8dB higher than the nearest competitor. Granted, most folks won't notice the background whir when the 5.1s are thumpin' and folks are getting rowdy on the last lap of Excite Truck, but c'mon, this is the stuff we geeks are made to scrutinize, so be sure and hit the read link to make of it all what you will.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/15/console-showdown-which-produces-the-most-noise/

PS3 €630 in Ireland threads (merged)

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