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PS3 €630 in Ireland threads (merged)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,421 ✭✭✭projectmayhem


    BlitzKrieg wrote:
    If it can do that how come company's like Bethesda need to double the data on the ps3 version of oblivion so the machine can access the information quick enough thus making the extra space on the blu ray a little less extra

    http://kotaku.com/gaming/ps3/oblivions-double-data-bluray-kludge-229496.php

    that's a situation where bethesda are saying the blu-ray drive is slow to read, rather then the processor itself.

    which is slightly baffling tbh, since ps3 is 2x (72mbps) while a dvd at 2x is about 24mbps...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    which is slightly baffling tbh, since ps3 is 2x (72mbps) while a dvd at 2x is about 24mbps...
    360 has 12x DVD drive :confused:

    EDIT: Which reads at 66 - 132Mbps


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭mickoneill30


    Why would they compress a file if they didn't have to?
    And doesn't compression mean losing quality?
    If I had a 50gb disc and I put 22gb of data on it I sure as hell wouldn't compress it.

    1: Compression doesn't mean quality loss. There are different types. You have compressed word and excel files I presume. Did you lose any quality?

    2: To read a 100Mb compressed file into memory and then uncompress it, it may be quicker than reading the uncompressed file from the disc. I don't know what speed the PS3 one is. I think it's 9Mbyte/s (72Mbit/s). That's going to take a hell of a long time to read in huge files. For FMV it doesn't matter as that's just streaming but when you're waiting for the next level to load, it may be a bit noticable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 696 ✭✭✭Kevok


    Hmmm, before I get my lynching hat on and start stabbing Sony repeatedly in the eye I have to wonder if this is actually an attempt by Sony to save Irish customers some money?

    Before you label me a fanboy, nothing could be farther from the truth, I'm a Nintendo fanboy if anything. :p

    However, it *could* be that sony will make retailers stick to this price, and adding 30 euro on is better than the 50-100 euro premium that the high street retailers could put on instead. Knowing full well that in Ireland(Sonyland) it would sell just as well at 700 euro.

    Of course, should the optimist in me be wrong, and Sony is in fact using us to subsidise the console, then they deserve nothing but ire and their arrogance will come back to bite them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭LookingFor


    BlitzKrieg wrote:
    If it can do that how come company's like Bethesda need to double the data on the ps3 version of oblivion so the machine can access the information quick enough thus making the extra space on the blu ray a little less extra

    Data replication on discs is often done on DVDs too. It's the reason something like the Prey demo download on Xbox360 is so much bigger than its PC equivalent - because the data layout on the 360 version requires parts of the data to be replicated to speed up loading.

    Optical discs are 'slow', period. Blu-ray is a little bit slower, but it has plenty of space to compensate. If Oblivion was 7GB, and they need to replicate that again, that still leaves over 10GB of space free on a single layer BD, or over 35GB free on a dual layer.

    I'd also wonder if they're harnessing the HDD at all. PS3 does have the advantage of being able to read from two data sources simultaneously - guaranteed, on all systems. Games are also allowed to permanently install data to the HDD on PS3 so developers can be smarter about using it, versus a cache whose data is volatile. In this case it's probably just easier to duplicate data on the disc if that does the job, and not deviate too far from other versions, but that is an option open to developers if they want to go further.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,985 ✭✭✭ambro25


    Kevok wrote:
    Hmmm, before I get my lynching hat on and start stabbing Sony repeatedly in the eye I have to wonder if this is actually an attempt by Sony to save Irish customers some money?

    Before you label me a fanboy, nothing could be farther from the truth, I'm a Nintendo fanboy if anything. :p

    However, it *could* be that sony will make retailers stick to this price, and adding 30 euro on is better than the 50-100 euro premium that the high street retailers could put on instead. Knowing full well that in Ireland(Sonyland) it would sell just as well at 700 euro.

    Of course, should the optimist in me be wrong, and Sony is in fact using us to subsidise the console, then they deserve nothing but ire and their arrogance will come back to bite them.

    Well, since PS3 is now reportedly not selling well in JP after just a couple of months from launch or so...

    and it's been consistently not selling well in the US either, since the first 2 or 3 weeks post-release...

    ...you can guess which one it is, cantch'a?

    Euroland will subsidise the Japanese RRP-reduced, and retailer-further reduced PS3 fiasco.

    Sorry to dash your optimism so brutally... not :D

    (Erm... hardly surprising either: it's not as if Sony hasn't had a chance to guess what kind of reception PS3 would get, at their long-advertised price point, is it?

    Oh, mind you, their PR team should have been switched-on enough to pick up the noises in the 1st place, and we all know how switched-on Sony's PR team has been over the past few months, eh?! :D)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,235 ✭✭✭iregk


    Well for me the ps3 and blu-ray died yesterday when the porn industry came out and backed hd-dvd. They are not producing on blu-ray at all apparently due to production costs and legalities in factories where blu-ray discs are made. So the fact that the largest media pusher in the world is going hd signals the death bell for blu-ray...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Vegeta


    excuse my ignorance here but isn't there something about 1080p on the PS3 for blue ray movies only being possible using the HDMI cable?

    Could someone clear that up for me

    Where did i get that from, I don't know why i think that, but I could swear that I heard it somewhere?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,985 ✭✭✭ambro25


    Vegeta wrote:
    excuse my ignorance here but isn't there something about 1080p on the PS3 for blue ray movies only being possible using the HDMI cable?

    Could someone clear that up for me

    [open to correction]

    (i) PS3's outputs for video are 1x HDMI and 1x analogue

    (ii) Most 1080p-capable TVs only accept it from HDMI source (for HDCP compliance)

    (iii) So 1080p on TV can only be obtained from PS3 HDMI

    [/open to correction]

    QED - there you have it.

    In fact, it should depend on whether the BlueRay movie is HDCP-enabled or not. If it's not, then provided the TV can accept 1080p through component, you can output PS3 BlueRay through analogue out + component.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Vegeta


    ambro25 wrote:
    [open to correction]

    (i) PS3's outputs for video are 1x HDMI and 1x analogue

    (ii) Most 1080p-capable TVs only accept it from HDMI source (for HDCP compliance)

    (iii) So 1080p on TV can only be obtained from PS3 HDMI

    [/open to correction]

    QED - there you have it.

    In fact, it should depend on whether the BlueRay movie is HDCP-enabled or not. If it's not, then provided the TV can accept 1080p through component, you can output PS3 BlueRay through analogue out + component.


    Yup that's how I had it figured aswell. So how much is the Sony HDMI cable or do you get one in the 60gig version as that's the all inclusive version, right?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    Vegeta wrote:
    Yup that's how I had it figured aswell. So how much is the Sony HDMI cable or do you get one in the 60gig version as that's the all inclusive version, right?
    You only get composite cables with both versions but you can use any HDMI cable with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,602 ✭✭✭joe316


    iregk wrote:
    Well for me the ps3 and blu-ray died yesterday when the porn industry came out and backed hd-dvd. They are not producing on blu-ray at all apparently due to production costs and legalities in factories where blu-ray discs are made. So the fact that the largest media pusher in the world is going hd signals the death bell for blu-ray...


    not an argument any more http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/debbie-does-dallas--again-first-bluray-porn-231584.php [Work Safe] and anyway the world is a different place than the 70s and 80s where there was no internet to download pron :D, their choice of format is no longer a factor in its success like it was before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Vegeta


    Ciaran500 wrote:
    You only get composite cables with both versions but you can use any HDMI cable with it.

    COMPOSITE....surely you mean component. No HDMI cables :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    Vegeta wrote:
    COMPOSITE....surely you mean component. No HDMI cables :rolleyes:
    Nope, composite. That yellow fecker.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,421 ✭✭✭projectmayhem


    iregk wrote:
    Well for me the ps3 and blu-ray died yesterday when the porn industry came out and backed hd-dvd. They are not producing on blu-ray at all apparently due to production costs and legalities in factories where blu-ray discs are made. So the fact that the largest media pusher in the world is going hd signals the death bell for blu-ray...

    that's a mistake for sony, a huge one, especially since the pr0n industry was backing blu-ray previously. apparently though, sony have already back-tracked on their "no pr0n" stance, but don't want to do a song and dance about it, since it's actually not all that great to sell a games machine to parents while saying "we have pr0n!".

    as for blu-ray's failure, the ps3 effect has taken hold in the US and japan. sales are way up on hd-dvd for december, because people with PS3's are buying up in their droves (probably just one or two films to "check it out" in fairness).
    ambro25 wrote:
    Well, since PS3 is now reportedly not selling well in JP after just a couple of months from launch or so...

    and it's been consistently not selling well in the US either, since the first 2 or 3 weeks post-release...

    well it's slow in the US, no doubt, but so is the 360 post-Christmas. it'll need some big games to sell the system now, as well as a revised price (like you said, sony'll probably subsidise a price drop via europe). and japan is actually not buying anything unless it says "nintendo", but it's also very hard to find ps3's in japan. it's the opposite problem microsoft had at the 360 launch (loads spare in japan, none in america)...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,235 ✭✭✭iregk


    joe316 wrote:
    anyway the world is a different place than the 70s and 80s where there was no internet to download pron :D, their choice of format is no longer a factor in its success like it was before.

    I'm afraid it still is. The porn industry is still by an absolute mile the largest media pusher in the world. Apparently on the radio during the week the reasons are cost and law. Blu-Ray is more expensive to produce and as we all know porn is low budget so keep cost down. 1-0 HD. Secondly is a lot of factories for Blu-Ray are in countries that outlaw production of porn so they are legally not allowed to do it. Don't ask me for more info because I don't know it, just heard it on radio.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭steviec


    iregk wrote:
    I'm afraid it still is. The porn industry is still by an absolute mile the largest media pusher in the world.

    I think that's more of a myth than anything else these days. Whenever this topic comes up I've seen people make that claim, without any figures, while other people say it's barely relevant, and have a bunch of links and statistics backing them up.

    However big the industry is though I think it's clear that the vast majority of it is online distribution and I don't think there's anything like the market for porn DVDs as there may have been back before the internet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,698 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    I dont know about world sales...but I can vouch that US porn dvd sales are still f*cking huge


    from 2005 http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2005/dec/05121603.html

    and just a few weeks ago http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=20583&hed=Internet+Hurting+Porn+DVD+Sales


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,716 ✭✭✭✭McDermotX


    I don't think the adult industry is going to have the same impact as it did in the VHS-Betamax days..
    Back than it simply came down to a recording length issue.....most adult films couldn't fit on the original betamax tape due to their relatively short length compared to VHS. Seeing as how it was the cheapest viable way to bring porn into homes, it did have an affect on the industry back then.
    These days, its a completely different situation..

    DVD sales in the adult world are still a huge seller as previous posters have indicated, but HD titles will not make a dent in those sales.
    In fact, one adult publisher (can't remember who, will have to dig it out again) has already estimated that DVD sales for their company in 2007 will constitute 40% or their sales......thats down from 85% for 2006. Sales are being lost to online content in their own field, and HD is not going to reclaim this.
    Nobody is going to spend high-end prices on players just to justify porn purchases alone.....when cheaper HD players arrive, the video sales for the entire industry may have reached such levels..

    As for HD-DVD vs Blu-ray........there will be Blu-ray porn content despite claims that it is not allowed, that myth has spread from misinformation......even Debbie Does Dallas BD is out soon..


    Accurate stuff from Digital Bits..
    "On the high-def front this afternoon, we wanted to get to the bottom of what's going on with the whole "porn has chosen HD-DVD" brouhaha of late. I've spoken with a number of industry insiders today, including Sony Pictures EVP of Advanced Technologies, Don Eklund, to get their take on things. According to Don, the situation is pretty straightforward. Sony places absolutely no restrictions Blu-ray authoring or licensing that would prohibit adult material from appearing on the format. Others we've spoken with today tell us that some of the major disc replicators (including Sony DADC) simply have a general policy that they don't handle adult material. In the past, with VHS and DVD, that's never been a problem because there are lots of smaller replicators that are willing and able to serve the adult community. But at the moment, there may be fewer replicators here in the States capable of doing Blu-ray that are willing to do so. These replicators have the capacity to do adult product in addition to major Hollywood fare, but choosing not to is simply a matter of policy for them. We do know, however, that there ARE major replicators that currently do adult product on DVD AND that are capable of manufacturing Blu-ray titles, including Ascent Media, Deluxe and others. So far as we can tell, however, Sony is not working to prevent porn on Blu-ray, despite such claims in the press recently.

    We've seen additional claims in the media (we've reported on them ourselves) that Disney may have provisions in their own contracts with replicators that specify that no adult material can be handled by them if they produce Disney Blu-ray titles. However, a number of industry sources that we've spoken with today (speaking off-the-record) said that's not the case, arguing that one company contractually restricting a second company from doing business with a third is against the law. Back in the VHS days, Disney would at times specify that replicators use new VHS stock to manufacture Disney titles on tape (to prevent stock that may have been used to replicate adult or other material, but that wasn't degaussed or erased properly, from appearing in Disney packaging - recall the infamous "Aristocats incident" from about a decade ago), but there are no Blu-ray related restrictions imposed by Disney.

    To the degree that the adult community may be migrating toward HD-DVD at the moment, we suspect it's because they're more easily finding smaller replicators capable of working on that format that are willing to handle adult material. Based on our research today, it also seems possible that the HD-DVD camp is making an active (and understandable from a business perspective) effort to reach out to the adult community with incentives and assistance in authoring and releasing titles on HD-DVD - reaching out in a way that is not being matched by the Blu-ray Disc camp. There are, however, adult titles being released on Blu-ray Disc format in Japan which means that, at the very least, there seem to be replicators outside the U.S. that are willing to work with the adult community. This would explain recent press comments by Vivid Entertainment Group founder Steven Hirsch, to the effect that he's been able to secure authoring and replication for his company's forthcoming Blu-ray product
    ."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,358 ✭✭✭seraphimvc


    you can just run it at 720p. no game will say "requires 1080p", it'll say "supports 1080p". same with the 360, you don't need a hd-tv for the games, it just makes them look a lot better.

    ah,well,i said 'sooner or later,u will need a hdtv'...:o

    not hard to imagine that after 1or2 yrs,all games look really cool in('support') the new tv format.it will be a pain in ass if u only have a 'old' tv...

    its like the example of you walk into a highclass restaurant but you merely get a bottle of mineral water...:p


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,985 ✭✭✭ambro25


    Gamasutra linkie

    Synthesis (pretty similar to my views, expressed earlier):
    * Wii to outsell 360/PS3 though 2007, maybe 2008 - on price/novelty factor
    * 360 to outsell PS3 though 2007, maybe 2008, no price cut unless Sony cuts first
    * PS3 to start shining through mid-2008/early 2009, Sony propped by PS2 meanwhile


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,606 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    has anyone heard anyting bout the price of the PS3 games? I have heard they'll be retailing at between €90 and €100.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭AceCard Jones


    They will be starting off the same as the 360's titles did.
    So you will see the prices averaging between €60 €70 and €75 depending on the game.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Garret


    when the PS2 was released it was €482 inc VAT, with inflation factored in that is in or around €595 in real terms today

    so the PS3 is not much more expensive than the PS2 was at launch

    just thought id throw that in


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Tauren wrote:
    has anyone heard anyting bout the price of the PS3 games? I have heard they'll be retailing at between €90 and €100.

    if the shops do this the boycott them and buy online. games arent region locked


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭AceCard Jones


    I doubt they would try it Mossy, they would know all to well that we would all flock on-line to buy our games.The ease and comfort of walking into a store to buy a game can only bring us so far on terms of how much we will pay.
    And if they do try something incredibly stupid like that, they won't be wasting anytime realising they made a mistake.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭andyps2.5


    I'd say this stuff about games over the price €60 is nothing but bad rumors. Sony aren't stupid I find it hard to believe that game will be at €90. Still you have to take in the fact that the games on blu-ray discs that could effect the price.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 132 ✭✭andyps2.5


    One more thing does anyone know if sony are releasing a keyboard for ps3?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭AceCard Jones


    Isn't it not compatible with any USB Keyboard?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,326 ✭✭✭Zapp Brannigan


    Isn't it not compatible with any USB Keyboard?
    Crazy ass double negative. Im now very confused :p


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