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PS3 €630 in Ireland threads (merged)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭RE*AC*TOR


    imagine after a few months when the developers have gotten use to the ps3 programming etc

    the games will be class


    Translation = he's impressed with the PS3 in his imagination...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,056 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    we'll see next Christmas, what console will every one be going for


    most people on this thread are sony bashers any way :rolleyes:

    people shouldnt judge a console unless they have it or played it for a bit

    no point saying any more


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭Ri_Nollaig


    0ubliette wrote:

    And according to this, 360 is the quietest next gen console: ...

    sweet jesus! i havnt used a ps3 or wii yet but if my 360 (launch one) is anything to go by then they must be fu.cking rocket engines (as the 360 is a jet engine :D)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,304 ✭✭✭✭koneko


    -360 is noisier than the PS3, someone did a test recently and said the opposite but nearly every other user that has both disagrees with that. Maybe in a few instances the PS3 gets noisier but on the whole the 360 is noisier.

    -Physically, PS3 is nicer? Right. I'm not going to touch that one because... well... it looks awful (but that doesn't really matter very much in the end though).

    -Online service is free? As someone else said, you get what you pay for, it's technically free right now but from what I've read it's pretty bad. I'd rather pay for a smooth integrated service where I can see what my friends are doing and interact properly. Maybe Sony can change that at some point and have a better service running, who knows.

    -I'm sure the PS3 will have some impressive looking titles at some point, but personally I don't think there will be much difference between it and 360 games, games like Mass Effect and Bioshock will be out in soon-ish are looking pretty awesome right now. I really don't see how someone can be so much more impressed with the PS3 right now when it doesn't have the games, maybe in a few months or a year, but right now? Nah. Maybe you're impressed with the potential, rather than what you have right now.

    Don't mistake genuine concern or issues with "Sony bashing", a lot of people on various forums are being branded Sony bashers for bringing up valid points. I think it has a lot of potential, I think Sony definitely need an attitude adjustment, but I'm interested to see what the PS3 will do (I have a PS2 and a PSP). Your last comment makes you look like a fanboy, you're assuming the PS3 will "win" and that everyone will buy it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭LookingFor


    Vegeta wrote:
    where the hell is Projectmayhem, LookingFor and McDermot????

    Kind of pathetic on your part, but I'm happily enjoying my imported PS3. 4 months earlier and without the rip-off (I arranged a good deal, thank you very much). I like my PS3, but I'm not going to be SCEE's bitch.

    Oh, and also happily enjoying the Wii I payed €20 more for than my continental friends, without the feigned outrage, without the Nintendo-specific bitching, and without calling out posters who may have dared counter an anti-Nintendo point that might have been made at some point in the past. Stick your head out a window and get some fresh air - you need a break if even occasional posters (i.e. me) weigh that much on your mind.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,056 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    LookingFor wrote:
    Kind of pathetic on your part, but I'm happily enjoying my imported PS3. 4 months earlier and without the rip-off (I arranged a good deal, thank you very much).

    Oh, and also happily enjoying the Wii I payed €20 more for than my continental friends, without the feigned outrage and Nintendo-specific bitching.

    totally agree


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    imagine after a few months when the developers have gotten use to the ps3 programming etc

    In fairness, it's the game engines that are getting improved, not the consoles. The 360 games didn't look as good as they did now, not because people didn't know how to make games look that good, but because a lot of the technologies hadn't been created.

    Neither unit is responsible for the graphics, only for how well they run.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    LookingFor wrote:
    Oh, and also happily enjoying the Wii I payed €20 more for than my continental friends, without the feigned outrage and Nintendo-specific bitching.

    Did you pay a few hundred for it, or the guts of a grand?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭LookingFor


    humanji wrote:
    Did you pay a few hundred for it, or the guts of a grand?

    I paid the retail price.

    If I was paying the guts of a grand, the extra €20 would have in fact been less significant in the scheme of things. As a percentage of the continental price that extra charge would have been much smaller than it actually was. 20 over 250 is close to 10% versus what 20 over "the guts of a grand" would have been.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    LookingFor wrote:
    I paid the retail price.

    If I was paying the guts of a grand, the extra €20 would have in fact been less significant in the scheme of things. As a percentage of the continental price that extra charge would have been much smaller than it actually was. 20 over 250 is close to 10% versus what 20 over "the guts of a grand" would have been.

    The point I was making is that the prices are hugely different. And it's the huge price tag on the ps3 (and when it came out, the 360) that's the problem. The Wii can't really be compared to these two since Nintendo went on the basis or making a fun accesible console, instead of trying to get into a crappy 1-upmanship that leaves all consumers as the losers.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,985 ✭✭✭ambro25


    Ri_Nollaig wrote:
    @ambro25
    i think both ps3 models have hdmi so i guess ps3 will never have any hdcp problems.

    So the 20GB now has - point withdrawn :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Vegeta


    LookingFor wrote:
    Kind of pathetic on your part.

    Hey man, I cant help it but you, Projectmayhem and McDermots names are the ones I have noted defending Sony over and over.

    I have made no negative statements about the PS3 in this thread. I was merely pointing out that I thought you guys were a little late in arriving to defend the PS3.

    But you're here now, so back to normal


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭LookingFor


    humanji wrote:
    The point I was making is that the prices are hugely different. And it's the huge price tag on the ps3 (and when it came out, the 360) that's the problem. The Wii can't really be compared to these two since Nintendo went on the basis or making a fun accesible console, instead of trying to get into a crappy 1-upmanship that leaves all consumers as the losers.

    This thread is about the premium being charged to Irish consumers for PS3 versus continental consumers, not the price of the PS3. The comparison with the Wii premium is completely valid. If you want to debate the PS3 price - welcome to May 2006, have a nice stay.

    Vegeta - don't call people out, it makes you look childish and preoccupied with imagined message board politics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,358 ✭✭✭seraphimvc


    just heard this morning and seriously got shock!!!:eek: imagine when those shops are selling it!!Ps3+2 games=??....:eek:

    as a gamer,i am very angry now...:mad:

    seriously,are we buying a game console for happiness or showing to tat company that we are idiots(if we pay the bill)?:rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 53,835 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    LookingFor wrote:
    Oh, and also happily enjoying the Wii I payed €20 more for than my continental friends, without the feigned outrage, without the Nintendo-specific bitching, and without calling out posters who may have dared counter an anti-Nintendo point that might have been made at some point in the past. Stick your head out a window and get some fresh air - you need a break if even occasional posters (i.e. me) weigh that much on your mind.

    The extra 20 notes was added by the scumbag high street stores and not by nintendo. Expect to pay more than an extra 30 notes above our continental friends come launch time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭LookingFor


    Retr0gamer wrote:
    The extra 20 notes was added by the scumbag high street stores and not by nintendo. Expect to pay more than an extra 30 notes above our continental friends come launch time.

    I don't think the consumer cares if it's Sony/Nintendo/MS, retailers or the government. We do pay more for all of these here than on the continent regardless. Sony claims it's the government in this case. Nintendo claims its retailers. Sony claims its retailers in the UK. Either way, we pay more for PS3, Wii and 360 than on the continent.

    Retailers are listing 630 for PS3, by the way. Whose to say they weren't party to a slice of that premium also? Game have been quoting that figure for some time, from what I've heard, so that's probably the figure they'll charge.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    LookingFor wrote:
    This thread is about the premium being charged to Irish consumers for PS3 versus continental consumers, not the price of the PS3. The comparison with the Wii premium is completely valid. If you want to debate the PS3 price - welcome to May 2006, have a nice stay.

    What you missed was that I'm saying that BOTH the ps3 and 360 are overpriced and that the Wii is nearer to an actual cost price. The Wii doesn't come into the same category as the other two because Nintendo isn't as money-grabbing a company as Sony and MS. As Retr0gamer said, the stores upped the price, but the companies upped the prices on the PS3 and 360 as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,985 ✭✭✭ambro25


    humanji wrote:
    The Wii doesn't come into the same category as the other two because Nintendo isn't as money-grabbing a company as Sony and MS.

    Not a personal attack, but you have to be very naive to subscribe to that view.
    humanji wrote:
    What you missed was that I'm saying that BOTH the ps3 and 360 are overpriced and that the Wii is nearer to an actual cost price.

    FYI-
    * MS is currently selling 360 at a marginal profit (note that it's recent, was a lossmaker for the better part of the year it's been out)
    * Nintendo has been selling the Wii at a profit since day 1
    * PS3 is currently sold at a loss (even in Ireland after the €30 hike)

    Way I view it (cynically) ? Ireland is making up (in its very small way) for the price cut in JP.

    As for the motives of each company, since neither you nor I nor (probably) any Boards poster sits on the Exec Board of any of the three, your guess is as good as mine.

    I'd say (not so cynically - I think):

    * MS is lucky to be making a profit, but they'd be ready to start lossmaking again to ensure further penetration and stimulate Xbox/PC/lounge integration - not so much to do with games as such

    * Nintendo had no choice but to come in at a low price point to ensure fast take up rate (=big installed user base early =better 3rd party support) and put the N64 and GC 'semi-failures' behind them

    * Sony is lossmaking because they intend to see their Blue Ray HD format win by the numbers over all of MS and the other non-VG HD-DVD supporters (e.g. Toshiba, Philips etc.) - nothing to do with games as such


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,478 ✭✭✭magick


    if ppl are so concerned about the price hike of the ps3 isnt their some public consumer group they can go to


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,365 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    By the time the bundles are put together, you'll be unlikely to get a PS3 for less than €800 at launch.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭AceCard Jones


    I was planning on spending about that amount anyway...

    And why are we giving out to Sony about the price???
    It's not their fault our ****tard greedy bastard government charge 21% VAT whereas most other EU countries only have 16% VAT.

    That point was even mentioned in the article.
    If the price is such a big obstacle for so many people then just do what the majority are doing and wait for the price to come down.
    Sony aren't begging your custom so I don't see why you see it that way.

    I have enough money easily to buy the console at launch, and providing my 3 pre-bookings pay off, I'll be a happy camper this march with my PS3 and my Wii sitting side by side.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    So the UK VAT rate of 17.5% justifies the price of €650?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭LookingFor


    humanji wrote:
    What you missed was that I'm saying that BOTH the ps3 and 360 are overpriced and that the Wii is nearer to an actual cost price.

    Actually mate, Wii is likely the only one that is over priced relative to its cost to manufacture. PS3 costs Sony more to make than the price you are paying. Ditto Microsoft, or at most they're breaking even at this point. Wii probably does not cost the amount that is charged for it...in fact I remember Nintendo confirming at launch that they were making a profit across the board, including on hardware, from day one.

    But that's completely besides the point of this thread, which is the extra we are paying in Ireland for PS3 compared to the continent. There's only two things that can really be said about it - a) it sucks b) but it should be entirely expected given the precedent that is there with other systems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,297 ✭✭✭Ri_Nollaig


    humanji wrote:
    ... BOTH the ps3 and 360 are overpriced and that the Wii is nearer to an actual cost price. The Wii doesn't come into the same category as the other two because Nintendo isn't as money-grabbing a company as Sony and MS. ...

    I really cant stand when people say things like this, do you really think that nintendo is the "mom's old fashioned games company" who are only interested in loving each and everyone of their customers or a heartless corporation who are just as evil (if not worse) then MS and Sony ? Yes the ps3 is expensive but its actually been sold at a loss! while the Wii is not! Sony plan's on making the money up in the long run by hoping for another ps2.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,120 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    :rolleyes:

    FFS. Old news. Anybody???

    Don't get me wrong here, I've reported on Ireland being over the so-called "Euro" pricing too many times to count, but the 630 price was expected - we even talked about it here.
    Ri_Nollaig wrote:
    I really cant stand when people say things like this, do you really think that nintendo is the "mom's old fashioned games company" who are only interested in loving each and everyone of their customers

    Get used to it, Nintendo have worst fanboys out there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 978 ✭✭✭AceCard Jones


    What I think justifies a price, is people still buying the product...
    No matter how many people here and all over Ireland complain of the price, it makes no difference.If you're complaining about the price that still means you're contemplating getting it.

    And for the people who feel so strongly about the price that they are not getting it at launch, they will just wait and get it later.
    Gaming is an expensive hobby, and getting a console at launch is hard and then even if you manage it you have to fork over a lot of hard earned cash to purchase it.

    You can't win, it's better to just accept it, regardless of whether or not you buy the PS3, if you don't someone else will.The console is going to sell out at launch.
    Bundles being forced or not.High price and all


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,643 ✭✭✭0ubliette


    Ri_Nollaig wrote:
    I really cant stand when people say things like this, do you really think that nintendo is the "mom's old fashioned games company" who are only interested in loving each and everyone of their customers or a heartless corporation who are just as evil (if not worse) then MS and Sony ? Yes the ps3 is expensive but its actually been sold at a loss! while the Wii is not! Sony plan's on making the money up in the long run by hoping for another ps2.
    Yeah, thats what i was about to point out too. Nintendo had one the biggest monopolys on videogames in the 80's, and took massive chunks of money from the sale of every game and didnt leave much for the developers. If youve read any of the book 'game over' you'd see just how greedy and money grabbing nintendo are, if anything, they make micro$oft look like mother teresa.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 643 ✭✭✭Beelzebub


    0ubliette wrote:
    Yeah, thats what i was about to point out too. Nintendo had one the biggest monopolys on videogames in the 80's, and took massive chunks of money from the sale of every game and didnt leave much for the developers. If youve read any of the book 'game over' you'd see just how greedy and money grabbing nintendo are, if anything, they make micro$oft look like mother teresa.

    Sony have worse practices than Nintendo:

    Remember the RootKit?
    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/11/10/sony_sued_for_rootkit/

    And the Lik Sang situation...

    http://www.lik-sang.com/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,698 ✭✭✭✭BlitzKrieg


    personnally I dont care how much of money grubbing heartless corporations they are...what I do care is if your gonna be one at least ensure your not a f*ck up when it comes to the actual hardware/games.

    Which as far as I'm concerned, Nintendo are taking a good stab at expanding the market...which is a good thing for both developers and consumers...Microsoft amazingly is the only company I have seen since I started playing games (about Atari 2600) to actually listen to the gaming public and deserve every success they get.

    they have all been heartless corporations...but they delivered (for the most part) on what they set out to make their money from.

    Sony since the PSP has been a walking disaster...they've built machines which while technically impressive seem to lack any focus on what the market needs now. They've blundered into PR trap after PR trap. They've essentially chased away their own 3rd party developers and at the end of it all justify the price on a brand more then anything else in its little black box of wonder.

    I never really liked sony as a company (I'll admit that as a part of bias against them) but I do respect that they have made excellent products, but they have been excellent products because they gave the consumer what they wanted...now I am finding they are pushing stuff on me at premium prices that I dont want.

    (and I have been stung...I own a PSP where the only way to suck fun out of it is to break the law.)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,976 ✭✭✭✭humanji


    ambro25 wrote:
    Not a personal attack, but you have to be very naive to subscribe to that view.
    Lol, that's why I put the "as" in there. They're still money grabbing b*stards, but they always seem to listen to their fans more than the other two (although, that wouldn't be hard! :D )
    ambro25 wrote:
    FYI-
    * MS is currently selling 360 at a marginal profit (note that it's recent, was a lossmaker for the better part of the year it's been out)
    * Nintendo has been selling the Wii at a profit since day 1
    * PS3 is currently sold at a loss (even in Ireland after the €30 hike)
    Well aparrently, the ps3, in the same way as the xbox did, will start at a loss (it will cost about $8-900 to build them at launch) but after a year it'll cost about $300 to make each, leaving them with a rather healthy profit.
    Ri_Nollaig wrote:
    I really cant stand when people say things like this, do you really think that nintendo is the "mom's old fashioned games company" who are only interested in loving each and everyone of their customers or a heartless corporation who are just as evil (if not worse) then MS and Sony ? Yes the ps3 is expensive but its actually been sold at a loss! while the Wii is not! Sony plan's on making the money up in the long run by hoping for another ps2.

    Again, I point out that I said "as money-grabbing a company". I'm not a fan boy for any of the companies (PC's rule! :D ), nor do I particularly dislike any of them (although Sony and MS really do make it hard not to hate them).

    But regardless, as LookingFor says, it's off topic.


    edit: I actually found this link that say a bit about it and compares the prices of the ps3 to what it says it'll come down to in 3 years. Wonder if they sold the Atari Jaguar at a loss to begin with too! :eek:


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