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mass going on xmas and athisism.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,314 ✭✭✭Talliesin


    yes and that family tradition is something that he has strong views against.
    what if that family tradition was to pray to the moon goddess? would you go and wear the robe and do the chants and draw the pentagram in your own blood considering your strong belief in the catholic church?
    Having been to hundreds of rites in honour of moon goddesses I have to say I've never seen that done. For that matter it takes quite a bit of blood to draw anything sizable, so unless it was a rather small pentagram you are likely to need a lot of blood so unless one had very heavy periods (the only human blood with any particular lunar significance) it wouldn't really work.

    That said, if there was some hypothetical religion with such rites, why not go as a guess and not do the drawing bit?

    I went to an Anglican service this Christmas and it was quite lovely. However I was certainly not expected to go by my girlfriend or her family but invited by them. Now there's sometimes quite a grey area as to how much someone invited to anything is expected to accept that invitation, but it's still a completely different kettle of fish to be invited rather than expected. Neither my girlfriend nor her family are under any sort of illusion that my joining them in a rite that is important to them makes me a good Anglican; it makes me nothing more than a guest of their family, and one grateful for their hospitality at that.

    Now the OP is in the position where they are expected but they can turn that to a position of being invited simply by saying they will attend the service if someone invites them to do so.

    Their parents will probably immediately invite them, and they can then go along, join in the rite to the extent appropriate for a guest (e.g. not only would you clearly not pray or partake in a sacrement such as the Eucharist since it is not of your religion, but from the RC point of view a guest is welcome in the church but not allowed to take the Eucharist).

    In other words draw the line between your beliefs and your parents but then go out of your way as to go as close to them as that line allows. Do that with continual good humour and continual good living and all but a fanatic will eventually come to respect your position. A more pointed refusal may be appropriate in the wider context of a fight over the relationship between Church and State but will only breed bad feeling and leave to your parents respecting your position less rather than more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    Talliesin wrote:
    Having been to hundreds of rites in honour of moon goddesses I have to say I've never seen that done. For that matter it takes quite a bit of blood to draw anything sizable, so unless it was a rather small pentagram you are likely to need a lot of blood so unless one had very heavy periods (the only human blood with any particular lunar significance) it wouldn't really work.
    yeah they're only small. the moon goddess doesn't mind :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭JC 2K3


    says the man with JC in his name. you're the guy from the christianity forum who thinks creationism is real right? (i could be wrong about that) it's such an amazing coincidence that your "its only 45 minutes" argument happens to support a faith that you have what i would consider to be a fanatical belief in. imo there's a bit of a conflict of interest on your part here because you want everyone to believe in your god.
    I really need to change my name, I've been accused of doing my Junior Cert in 2003 and being a devout follower of Jesus Christ numerous occasions despite being an Agnostic verging on Atheist who did his Junior Cert in 2005 with the name "Jimmy Cleary".

    Some people.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,045 ✭✭✭Húrin


    OP, you are quite right not to have to go to Mass. And I say that as a practicing Christian.

    Did you go in the end?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,240 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    tinkboutit wrote:
    Stick to then. Do not go. You are not selfish, stubborn etc. We don't know what sort of character you are. But we would if we had this discussion face to face.
    You should not compare KKK to a typical Irish church going service there is no similiarity; racist views are quite different to religious views so look for another example to back your point.
    I didn't leave my children go because they wanted to watch the simpsons so I wouldn't call that a big massive life or death choice, they were kids and they didn't want to go because they thought it was not as good as the simpsons they may be right.
    My son is now a non religion believer and he's had a wedding, christening etc. Maybe it was pointless, but he's a good hearted person who made that choice yet he doens't go to mass. Do you have a negative term to describe him? Or is he a fool for going about something he doesn't believe in?

    Last point, stop moaning, I'm beginning to think you have a chip on your shoulder becuase of an issue that nobody really thinks about unless they are in a bad mood.
    What next, should refuse christmas trees? Protest for wearing a shamrock on St.Patricks day because we don't believe in it?

    Seriously, get a life. Live and let live. Don't go to mass. Nobody cares. Live life Atheist as long as you don't start shouting to others "Hey I have rights no to believe in what you do".
    Talk about nobody really cares about your choice. They care about their's.
    I think you've missed my points on purpose :(


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    It's sad when Sangre comes out as the clever one.

    (;))
    /\

    Anyway, you are right to not go OP, I did go on xmas, but everybody is different. Made some father ted jokes, he gives a good mass, had some bread etc.
    I was staying at home for xmas, parents house, parents rules, and I don't like to make mother cry too often.
    Every family is different, ane so are peoples attitudes, stick to your guns if they are dear to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,240 ✭✭✭✭Sangre


    If you pull someone in a certain direction, don't be surprised if they started pulling in the opposite direction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,958 ✭✭✭Fobia


    I go on Christmas for the music - if you don't believe in it, you can't break their rules. Not to mention the only rule you'd be breaking as an atheist attending a Catholic mass, would be receiving communion with sins on your soul...but I don't think most catholics bother with that one!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,005 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    '
    Sangre wrote:
    I think you've missed my points on purpose :(

    Really, Happy New Year anyway.'


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