I am a fish / donk - can you help me??

Lafortezza · 23-10-2006 11:24PM

Hectorjelly wrote:

http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/play_uk.php?id=1717696

OMG flashbacks to my college days.

Lafortezza · 23-10-2006 11:28PM

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luckyvegas7 · 24-10-2006 12:06AM

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BigDragon · 24-10-2006 12:13AM

luckyvegas7 wrote:

http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/play_uk.php?id=1717908

Thats not BOP answering the phone................ITS THE CHIEF...standard advice too!

Dub13 · 24-10-2006 12:15AM

Culchie · 24-10-2006 12:21AM

Feck it, it's late

http://theteatime.free.fr/talc/rocky.html

5starpool · 24-10-2006 12:36AM

I might as well give it a go too

http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/play_uk.php?id=1717929

Culchie · 24-10-2006 12:46AM

My first movie

http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/play_uk.php?id=1717932

careca · 24-10-2006 07:29AM

You lads have way too much fcuking time on your hands. LOL though.

Bobs, one hand I would love to know the betting patterns for is the hand where you hit the wheel on the river. Other guy had hit set of Ks on turn and I'd like to know how much you called on turn bet. If you can remember.

Could have been implied odds

TacT · 24-10-2006 08:24AM

LOL, thanks for the morning laughs everybody, I needed that. Yesterday sucked

bops · 24-10-2006 09:09AM

careca wrote:

You lads have way too much fcuking time on your hands. LOL though.

Bobs, one hand I would love to know the betting patterns for is the hand where you hit the wheel on the river. Other guy had hit set of Ks on turn and I'd like to know how much you called on turn bet. If you can remember.

Could have been implied odds

I find the above hand very very interesting for many reasons...
Here's Exactly how it played out...

Blinds 1/2 only 6 at table at this stage...

UTG €200
Me €1000
BB €300

UTG raises it to 15
he's a poker friend of mine and was vvv solid - he had managed to get his stack from 200 to up 700 - but was on a bad downward spiral and was back to 200 and getting very pissed due to the number of times he has been outdrawn (...not all by me!) - he has been quiet for a while.

anyway i look down at 73 and begin to laugh, pat him on the shoulder and apologise in advance for what i am about to do to him - i know he has AA KK or QQ - no other option - anyway he laughs...

Folded around to BB who makes the call.
BB is a very good player - plays only live 1/2 cash games every night and probably makes a good living from it. he has 30 yrs good experience playing poker etc etc...

Flop 2 4 5 rainbow
Pot €46

Raiser bets 25
2 callers - im still laughing!
Riaser knows the flop is my cuppa tea!

Turn K
Pot €121

Raiser bets 55
I call - still laughing!!

BB askes Raiser how much he has left (gulp) the answer is 100
BB raises it to 155
Raiser calls and is all in

around to me:

OK this is where i gotta think for a min...
Pot at the moment is 486 so im getting just about odds?? to see the river for 100 with 8 outs...the only possible hand that im afraid of here is BB holding 36
- if A hits i may be in trouble / if 6 hits ive the nuts...anyway i reluctantly make the call

River A
Pot 586
Raiser all in

I check
BB moves all in for 92
I call

BB shows 22 and has set of 2's
UTG shows KK and has a set of K's
I show 73 and have a straight
I win pot of 770

Now the most interesting part of the hands is as follows:

UTG stormed off shaking his head and was giving out away from the table for 15 mins...donk/fish/blah blah/etc...

The BB looks at my hand and says "oh you have the 3 - well done" in a non sarcastic friendly tone and reaches back into his pocket to buy in again.

I think the difference between the 2 reactions is key to my argument...
My response would have been similar to UTG's a couple of years ago, but now it would be exactly like BBs.

He believed that he played it right and wants me to do the same every time...

BTW to the rest of ye above LOL

patmac · 24-10-2006 09:13AM

LOL brilliant Giggs to Saha to the fat kid penalty, he made a meal of that no contact.
Here's one
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=244779989091726735

5starpool · 24-10-2006 09:15AM

bops wrote:

BTW to the rest of ye above LOL

Stop being amused and not reacting to it. We, the frustrated denizens of the Poker forum demand that you react in a childish way which enables us to make fun of you in a slighlty vicious which will enhance our sense of moral superiority. Mods, tell him........

ianmc38 · 24-10-2006 09:18AM

bops wrote:

I find the above hand very very interesting for many reasons...
Here's Exactly how it played out...

Blinds 1/2 only 6 at table at this stage...

UTG €200
Me €1000
BB €300

UTG raises it to 15
he's a poker friend of mine and was vvv solid - he had managed to get his stack from 200 to up 700 - but was on a bad downward spiral and was back to 200 and getting very pissed due to the number of times he has been outdrawn (...not all by me!) - he has been quiet for a while.

anyway i look down at 73 and begin to laugh, pat him on the shoulder and apologise in advance for what i am about to do to him - i know he has AA KK or QQ - no other option - anyway he laughs...

Folded around to BB who makes the call.
BB is a very good player - plays only live 1/2 cash games every night and probably makes a good living from it. he has 30 yrs good experience playing poker etc etc...

Flop 2 4 5 rainbow
Pot €46

Raiser bets 25
2 callers - im still laughing!
Riaser knows the flop is my cuppa tea!

Turn K
Pot €121

Raiser bets 55
I call - still laughing!!

BB askes Raiser how much he has left (gulp) the answer is 100
BB raises it to 155
Raiser calls and is all in

around to me:

OK this is where i gotta think for a min...
Pot at the moment is 486 so im getting just about odds?? to see the river for 100 with 8 outs...the only possible hand that im afraid of here is BB holding 36
- if A hits i may be in trouble / if 6 hits ive the nuts...anyway i reluctantly make the call

River A
Pot 586
Raiser all in

I check
BB moves all in for 92
I call

BB shows 22 and has set of 2's
UTG shows KK and has a set of K's
I show 73 and have a straight
I win pot of 770

Now the most interesting part of the hands is as follows:

UTG stormed off shaking his head and was giving out away from the table for 15 mins...donk/fish/blah blah/etc...

The BB looks at my hand and says "oh you have the 3 - well done" in a non sarcastic friendly tone and reaches back into his pocket to buy in again.

I think the difference between the 2 reactions is key to my argument...
My response would have been similar to UTG's a couple of years ago, but now it would be exactly like BBs.

He believed that he played it right and wants me to do the same every time...

BTW to the rest of ye above LOL

You played the hand perfectly, putting money in when getting great odds to hit your straight, knowing they'll both put the rest of their stacks in once you've hit. WP.

phantom_lord · 24-10-2006 09:20AM

bops wrote:

He believed that he played it right and wants me to do the same every time...

BTW to the rest of ye above LOL

I'd love you to call with 73o preflop everytime I've kings/aces!

White Knight · 24-10-2006 09:35AM

bops wrote:

he's a poker friend of mine and was vvv solid
, BB is a very good player

Pot 586
Raiser all in

I check
BB moves all in for 92
I call

You check the river of a 586 euro pot with a player with 92 behind with the 2nd nuts against 2 "solid/good" players that you know do not have the nuts but have big hands ... i see ... wp :rolleyes:

5starpool · 24-10-2006 09:38AM

ianmc38 wrote:

You played the hand perfectly, putting money in when getting great odds to hit your straight, knowing they'll both put the rest of their stacks in once you've hit. WP.

my detector is going crazy here......

LuckyLloyd · 24-10-2006 09:40AM

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Gholimoli · 24-10-2006 09:50AM

bops wrote:

I find the above hand very very interesting for many reasons...
Here's Exactly how it played out...

Blinds 1/2 only 6 at table at this stage...

UTG €200
Me €1000
BB €300

UTG raises it to 15
he's a poker friend of mine and was vvv solid - he had managed to get his stack from 200 to up 700 - but was on a bad downward spiral and was back to 200 and getting very pissed due to the number of times he has been outdrawn (...not all by me!) - he has been quiet for a while.

anyway i look down at 73 and begin to laugh, pat him on the shoulder and apologise in advance for what i am about to do to him - i know he has AA KK or QQ - no other option - anyway he laughs...

Folded around to BB who makes the call.
BB is a very good player - plays only live 1/2 cash games every night and probably makes a good living from it. he has 30 yrs good experience playing poker etc etc...

Flop 2 4 5 rainbow
Pot €46

Raiser bets 25
2 callers - im still laughing!
Riaser knows the flop is my cuppa tea!

Turn K
Pot €121

Raiser bets 55
I call - still laughing!!

BB askes Raiser how much he has left (gulp) the answer is 100
BB raises it to 155
Raiser calls and is all in

around to me:

OK this is where i gotta think for a min...
Pot at the moment is 486 so im getting just about odds?? to see the river for 100 with 8 outs...the only possible hand that im afraid of here is BB holding 36
- if A hits i may be in trouble / if 6 hits ive the nuts...anyway i reluctantly make the call

River A
Pot 586
Raiser all in

I check
BB moves all in for 92
I call

BB shows 22 and has set of 2's
UTG shows KK and has a set of K's
I show 73 and have a straight
I win pot of 770

Now the most interesting part of the hands is as follows:

UTG stormed off shaking his head and was giving out away from the table for 15 mins...donk/fish/blah blah/etc...

The BB looks at my hand and says "oh you have the 3 - well done" in a non sarcastic friendly tone and reaches back into his pocket to buy in again.

I think the difference between the 2 reactions is key to my argument...
My response would have been similar to UTG's a couple of years ago, but now it would be exactly like BBs.

He believed that he played it right and wants me to do the same every time...

BTW to the rest of ye above LOL

Oh man ,what can i say,bloody genius this hand is.
how you outplayed the V V V good players that bets hlaf the pot with two players on 2 4 5 board,and the BB who is also very SOLID and GOOD and leaves him self with only 100 on the turn.
and your check on the river with BB only 100 behind when the pot is nearly 500 ... WOW just wow ...maybe some day i'll be this good untill then i can only read in admiration .

bops · 24-10-2006 10:18AM

5starpool: Stop being amused and not reacting to it...
lol again and good point : )

ianmc38: ty (i think!)

Phantom Lord : I'd love you to call with 73o preflop everytime I've kings/aces! - exactly - me too! - alas only 80% of the time tho...

White Knight: yep i check the river - 586 in the middle - im happy with that -dont give a fk about his 92 quid - he's gonna push anyways - if he had more i'd have put him in...have you even considered that fact that maybe - just maybe - the best way for me to get his 92 is to check?? i know he is massiveky pot committed etc - but he probably had me on a srt8 draw?? - anyway the main point here is that i didn't give a fk about his 92 quid

5starpool/luckylord: lol

Gholimoli: I didn't outplay anybody - i went fishing and hit...
solid player hits top set on turn and bets 1/3 of his stack - bad play????
good player has bottom set and reraises solid player all in - bad play??

There is clearly only 1 player who played this hand badly - and that was me calling the raise preflop in the first place??

Reasons for not pushing on river - see reply above to White Knight...

Gholi - You really have a very bad attitude problem, remindes me of the other night in the jackpot when you were short stacked and would accept a decent deal when the other 5 players had agreed - the deal was "friendly" and did not effect 1st place which you and I were playing for - anyways I really cant see how you actually manage to enjoy playing poker and i am very much looking forward to playing with you again - I love playing opponents with your attitude towards the game and the others around you -lets just put it that way!!

bops · 24-10-2006 10:33AM

...alas the point i was trying to make about the hand were the reactions to it...

ianmc38 · 24-10-2006 10:41AM

Bops dont mind Gholi and them giving out to you. You played the hand perfectly. The check on the river fools the opponents in the hand into thinking you have two pair or maybe middle set, thus putting in the rest of their tanks which they wouldn't do if you just open pushed the river. WP sir.

shaydy · 24-10-2006 11:12AM

bops wrote:

anyway the main point here is that i didn't give a fk about his 92 quid

Bops, why would you not give a fk about his 92 quid?? Your limiting your potential winnings

, this just doesn't make sense and is a losing mentality in my opinion.

I like your point about poker being fun though and not playing by the numbers, thats the chiefs rule!!:p , but you have to understand that there are people out there that play poker to solely make money and win and that is where they extract their 'fun'. From what i've read you get enjoyment from making -ev calls with some of the worst hands in poker 73o for example and in your example you got extremely lucky and hit. You have to expect some sort of reaction when you've just cleaned your opponent from some dubious play.

btw, can we cut pages 2, 3 & 4, some of the best reading/watching ive seen in ages them video clips a fcuking hilarious!!

Gholimoli · 24-10-2006 11:17AM

bops wrote:

White Knight: have you even considered that fact that maybe - just maybe - the best way for me to get his 92 is to check??

Wow ,genuis....

bops wrote:

Gholi - You really have a very bad attitude problem, remindes me of the other night in the jackpot when you were short stacked and would accept a decent deal when the other 5 players had agreed - the deal was "friendly" and did not effect 1st place which you and I were playing for - anyways I really cant see how you actually manage to enjoy playing poker and i am very much looking forward to playing with you again - I love playing opponents with your attitude towards the game and the others around you -lets just put it that way!!

i dont play poker to make friends or to be liked ,i play to make money and to that aim im really not that botherd about what you think of my attitude.
as for the deal on that night man you gotta be joking me...
what the hell would i wanna make a deal on a table where one of the remamning players is you,the other one is a guy who has 3BB left and is prob his first time making a final table(this dude agreed to the same deal after i was gone and there was only 5 players left and he had prob half the chips in play,shows how confident he was about his game) .
the only player on that table who i had any respect for was Dusty and Adam cuz some 1 told me he was a good player.
now why on earth would i agree to a deal when there is 2600 for second and they are suggesting to break that to less than a 1K???
it would be no FUN for me to do that dude.

White Knight · 24-10-2006 11:19AM

bops wrote:

have you even considered that fact that maybe - just maybe - the best way for me to get his 92 is to check??

I considered it (brief millisecond) and double checked the size of the pot and how much he had behind (that took half a second with a 2nd recount) and thought it was ludicrous .. ludicrous for a "pro", even more so for a donk ... of course im not calling you either of these. wp sir

Gholimoli · 24-10-2006 11:21AM

ianmc38 wrote:

Bops dont mind Gholi and them giving out to you. You played the hand perfectly. The check on the river fools the opponents in the hand into thinking you have two pair or maybe middle set, thus putting in the rest of their tanks which they wouldn't do if you just open pushed the river. WP sir.

LMAO.
leave him alone Ian.

bops · 24-10-2006 12:49PM

ianmc38: lol ty again - it is the perfect reply (as was the BBs in the hand in question). It is the clever response made only by players who know what they're on about. I guess that you are a good player and have been playing for a while?

shaydy:
Bops, why would you not give a fk about his 92 quid?? Your limiting your potential winnings , this just doesn't make sense and is a losing mentality in my opinion.

I like your point about poker being fun though and not playing by the numbers, thats the chiefs rule!! , but you have to understand that there are people out there that play poker to solely make money and win and that is where they extract their 'fun'. From what i've read you get enjoyment from making -ev calls with some of the worst hands in poker 73o for example and in your example you got extremely lucky and hit. You have to expect some sort of reaction when you've just cleaned your opponent from some dubious play.

true about the 92 quid i suppose...
valid point about players extracting "fun" on a profit basis only...
of course i expect a reaction - but its the difference in the reactions which i am interested in...
ty btw good intelligent post

Gholi - my bestest buddy!!]here we go again....sigh
fair enough in relation to your reasons for playing - sorta obvious and gl 2 u
strange tho if you think about it - your refrusal of the deal was a -EV call if ive ever seen one - u planned on finnishing 2nd from 6?? - otherwise the deal was only positive?? - BTW where did you finish?? Bad call m8!!

White Knight: how about this:
the fact that i checked led him to make a bad move with his 92 push on the river. This led him to going back into his pocket - giving me the opprtunity to make more profits - which i took full advantage of.
On the other hand if I push and he calls (he's has to as you know) - he makes a necessary call, not a bad one - and maybe goes home??
- ye guys really dont see the bigger picture

Gholi - (sigh)
see what i replied to ianmc38 above and invert it...

5starpool · 24-10-2006 01:00PM

bops wrote:

- ye guys really dont see the bigger picture

The bigger picture should not be big enough to see people calling raises with 73o. It is not as if you are getting correct odds to call here either preflop, on the flop, or on the turn, especially if one of the possible hands for UTG is AA which reduces your max outs to 6, and your odds from 6/1 to 8/1.

ianmc38 · 24-10-2006 01:05PM

I called a raise once with 37o. The flop was 337. LuckyLloyd was a witness. I stacked AK with it.

Bops like me (and unlike Gholimoli obviously) understands the concept of implied odds. He knew he could stack AA if he hit his straight. And he did while getting a good price on turn and river. If they'd bet the pot he'd probably have folded, but they priced him in.

LuckyLloyd · 24-10-2006 01:08PM

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I am a fish / donk - can you help me??

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