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Season 2, Episode 20: "Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 2"

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    Ok, here's what I think. No way was this all a dream, it fits into the last few episodes too well. Caprica 6 and Sharon 8 lead the cyclons away from destroying humanity, but they still can't find a way to reproduce. Also just as Baltar has a 6 in his head, Caprica 6 also has a Baltar in her head. It's a bit of a leap but I think that 6's 'Head Baltar' is leading her to take over the cyclons, find humanity, be reunited with real Baltar to raise the other Sharon and Helo's baby. Just as Baltar's 'head 6' has led him to become president and settle on New Caprica to sit and wait for the Cyclons. Caprica 6 has led the Cyclons to New Caprica with the promise that they could use the humans to reproduce. When this becomes clear Roslin, or pehaps her aide will reveal the existence of the baby , which the cyclons will be able to use to learn how to reproduce withouth human help. Caprica 6 and Baltar will take the baby back to the Cyclon homeworld and raise it there.

    The real questions are about 'head' 6 and 'head' Baltar. Who are they ? Who's pulling their strings ? How do they know what's going to happen and manuipulate things exactly the way they want to ? Who's God ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,738 ✭✭✭Barry Aldwell


    I can't wait for a scene with Baltar and Caprica Six, and their respective head Six and Baltar


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    What makes people think that 6 has a head Baltar??

    I took the sex scene to be a prior event that was cut into a chronologically later scene. I just watched the episode again and before she undresses Baltar says "my ability to see you will be restricted when we land on New Caprica" (paraphrased).

    I think he had sex with her, left and then she blew up the nuke. Why do people think 6 has a Baltar in her head??

    DeV.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    It's not the 6 that's in the fleet, it's the 6 that remained on Caprica. Two or three episodes back they had an episode from the perspective of the cylons and it showed her talking to a Baltar in her head just like Baltar talks to his imaginary 6. The bit that really surprised me most was that Caprica 6 obviously didn't know anything about Baltar seeing visions of her, in fact I think she believes Baltar to be dead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭ButcherOfNog


    My own view is that Baltar is a cylon, probably #1. When they both died in the explosion, the "download" got a bit corrupt, thus bits of both in each others heads. So I think anyways :)


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Ah I havent seen that episode (what what?!?!)... must watch it immediately :)

    DeV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭Haruspex


    DeVore wrote:
    Ah I havent seen that episode (what what?!?!)... must watch it immediately :)

    "Downloaded" (2x18) aired last night on Sky One, so you should be able to catch the repeats on Sky Two on Thursday at 22:00 and next Monday at 21:00.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,510 ✭✭✭sprinkles


    DeVore wrote:
    Ah I havent seen that episode (what what?!?!)... must watch it immediately :)

    DeV.
    Missing an episode......tut tut
    My own view is that Baltar is a cylon, probably #1. When they both died in the explosion, the "download" got a bit corrupt, thus bits of both in each others heads. So I think anyways

    Don't know how that would work. how did the "new" baltar get to earth from a resurection ship? and why have the cylons not used him already?

    I will admit though, it's an interesting theory to say the least


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,836 ✭✭✭Vokes


    Only just caught the finale - awesome :)

    But back in October? - Balls to that :(

    Anyways, my theory about the population situation - we had, say about 5000 killed in the Cloud 9 explosion. Is it not reasonable to assume that another 5000 or so have died in the 380 days since?

    With disease widespread, no meds available and (probably) poor infrastructure with regards to water & plumbing, the mortality rate must be pretty high amongst the old and very young.

    Humanity is essentially dying, and the Cylons (well, one faction anyway) have arrived to offer the humans a chance to survive by joining with them to reproduce, etc...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    Well, thats the end of season 2 on Sky. What makes people think the whole thing is a dream sequence?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 563 ✭✭✭robnubis


    Well the whole dream thing does seem to fit together, first of all the wird jump straight back to galatica thing after being on Cparica. Also if you notice (dunno if this has been said) some of the raptors look weird and discloured when Starbuck returns to galatica...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,510 ✭✭✭sprinkles


    When she returns from Caprica?

    Seriously don't think this is a dream as they would risk ruining a very very good show. Also I think the producers have put an end to that chain of thought and afaik
    they plan to deal with the resistance on the planet in the early part of the new series, the first 3 - 4 episodes.
    (not much of a spoiler but I didn't want people winging at me :))


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,752 ✭✭✭cyrusdvirus


    Looking at IMDB the first episode of S3 has been named. Kinda shoots down the dream idea.


    And slightly different colour raptors?? Straws and clutching methinks!

    Having said that i did find the whole dean stockwell character on caprica and no-one paying a blind bit of notice to him turning up a touch much!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,357 ✭✭✭secret_squirrel


    A year passed on New Caprica? Why do I feel like a whole series of BSG has just been stolen from me?

    I dont buy the dream idea. Its more likely to set up Season 3 as 50% flashbacks ala Lost. Which is almost as poor an idea as 'it was all a dream' imo.

    Only OK from me - I feel robbed. To much of a jump in the time line which reduced the impact of the cliff hanger - we had nothing invested in their situations on New Caprica.

    It needed at least another Ep on New Caprica before the cylons turned up.

    One flaw in the Baltar is a Cylon theory because of Head Baltar in Downloaded, is that Six wouldnt have had to shag him in the miniseries to shut off the colonial defense grid. He could have done it himself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,056 ✭✭✭Sooner or Later


    Did anyone else pick up on that moment between Apollo and Dee when they first spotted the cylon fleet? Apollo said something along the lines of what amazingly good eyesight she must have to have picked out a ship out of all the static when he couldn't see a thing. A hint that she is a cylon?

    On the episode itself I'm in two minds. Brave decision to skip an entire year but it made the episode feel a bit disjointed. Really don't want to see Season 3 consisting of heroic resistance episodes intercut with endless flashbacks.

    Get back on those ships!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,510 ✭✭✭sprinkles


    Did anyone else pick up on that moment between Apollo and Dee when they first spotted the cylon fleet? Apollo said something along the lines of what amazingly good eyesight she must have to have picked out a ship out of all the static when he couldn't see a thing. A hint that she is a cylon?


    He said "I'm amazed you could spot anything in that soup" as the "radar" was all static, then the ship reappeared and he saw it too. Don't think she's a cylon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭Haruspex


    A year passed on New Caprica? Why do I feel like a whole series of BSG has just been stolen from me?

    I dont buy the dream idea. Its more likely to set up Season 3 as 50% flashbacks ala Lost. Which is almost as poor an idea as 'it was all a dream' imo.

    Only OK from me - I feel robbed. To much of a jump in the time line which reduced the impact of the cliff hanger - we had nothing invested in their situations on New Caprica.

    It needed at least another Ep on New Caprica before the cylons turned up.

    Don't think we'll be treated to Lost-style weekly flashbacks in Season 3. The excerpt below from a recent David Eick interview demonstrates this, while acknowledging that some elements such as the Lee/Kara estrangement will need to be dealt with.
    iF: How much will be left unsaid from season two?

    EICK: We have an episode in the first leg of season three, which is more or less devoted to at least a couple of the major issues that arose during the time on the planet. There’s going to be a lot answered. The flip side of that is that there are a lot of things that will fuel upcoming storylines that we may not have fleshed out yet. I certainly knew, as did Ron, that the risk in leaping forward a year [besides people thinking it was a dream] was that people would feel jerked around. We didn’t want people to think we were pulling a TWIN PEAKS move that wouldn’t pay off. I think that they’ll find in fairly short order that we won’t leave anything hanging. For example, Adama and Sharon [Grace Park] have a subversive relationship, and you don’t need to see a whole year to know things have changed between them. I don’t want anyone to feel that they have missed things, but it might be a chance for new viewers who check in to the show to start fresh with these new explanations of character relationships. The people, who’ve been watching for two years, will hopefully see these changes as a legitimate outgrowth that has its own storytelling value. In a couple of cases where we’ve said Kara [ Katee Sackhoff] is married to Anders [Michael Trucco],
    Lee [Jamie Bamber] is married to Dualla [Kandyse McClure];
    * there is an episode being put together that will specifically deal with what happened.

    Here's the interview in full but avoid for some major Season 3 spoilers. You have been warned...

    *Didn't get that revelation from the season finale at all. Was a surprise to me anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 76 ✭✭todd10k


    Loved the ending, cant wait for s3.


  • Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Ok, I watched that episode I missed.... WOW.... er, yeah that explains a few things and explains how I missed it because its so extracted from the main storyline. Great episode though. Now I've no idea whats going on with six and Baltar but I think Galatica Baltar is real and possibly someone or something is screwing around with both the humans *and* the cylons....??


    DeV.


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