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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    So for Christmas, we went to a relatives house, to have Christmas dinner. Before we left, we exchanged gifts. I got stuff my brother had asked for, and he got me a gift I needed.

    It felt 'alien' not to be visiting my mom for the holiday. Or not having a gift for her. We put some new grave markers on her and my dad's grave about a week ago. It all felt very strange. Going to my relatives house, I brought ice-cream because I wanted to keep that tradition. Trifle was something I never quite meshed with. My Mom always made sure to have ice cream, a certain type too.

    After Christmas Dinner, the family said a few prayers for my mum. There was one in particular that my mom and me had discussed when she was in hospital. (I found out from my cousins, that it was also my grandmother's prayer). And I admit, I got emotional- no tears, just this pause of 'emptiness'. I composed myself, but I felt it. My brother saw it, and he told me afterwards.

    I drank a lot of alcohol, but not in a 'get drunk way', but rather 'numb yourself' to get through things. I stayed sober, and I was able to talk to people. And talk about mom.

    We went to my mom and dad's grave. That's when the alcohol took effect. And I realise why I've had more than a few drinks lately, after cutting it off for a long time. The alcohol lets me get out my emotions, to get in touch with the grief. Because I keep putting up a front. And when I'm supportive to my brother when he lets out his emotions, I can't let my own out. Not that often anyways. On paper, you can say 'my mom lived a long life'. 'A good age' and so on. It doesn't feel right though. And at night, I talk to them. And I say how unfair it all feels. I was young when my dad passed, barely in my 20s when he was diagnosed with terminal cancer. I know it's horrible to say, but I sat there thinking 'can't it be someone else's turn to experience tragedy'?

    And there's this ugly aspect to things- checking the news to see horrible events, so you can say 'Well, I'm luckier than them' and I don't need to mention a news story in particular, because it's all tragic. And you feel like a monster-looking for tragedy to make yourself feel better.

    My brother came into my room this morning, and we started talking about Mom, and how, if we were going anywhere, we'd make sure to bring something back. Like some fast food, or even some sweets. And he got emotional. I could see his eyes tearing up. Those little quiet moments, when we'd sit together and eat and talk about the day. How we treasured them, and what they meant to her. I had to stop talking about them, because every time we laugh about the funny times, we get emotional and sad because we know those times are gone now. I could see he had been upset today, I could see it in his eyes. I didn't press it.
    For me it was this lingering 'tiredness'. Just being drained. Maybe it's cause you try and keep a smile on, while fighting back emotions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    My mom's Month's Mind Mass was today.

    And God was it tough. Didn't have a decent nights sleep either. A few family members were absent, because weather and travel conditions were harsh today. And I felt 'off' the whole day.

    Month's Mind Masses are always hard, because it feels like you're putting a 'full stop' on things, and people expect you to 'move on' and get over things. I know that's not how things work, but it's how it feels. And it makes me angry-seeing folks move on and it feels like Mom is being forgotten.

    We went out for dinner, to get out of the house. Saw all these families celebrating, folks who've travelled home for Christmas and with small children. And it just reminded me of being a kid-hugging your parents and feeling loved and safe. A grown adult being jealous of a child… It's like a bad joke.

    Even napping this evening, I saw her face again. That smile of pride, of being proud or being happy to see us happy. It flashed in front of my eyes. And I couldn't take a nap anymore.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 62,965 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    There's no map for any of this, no milestones or markers, it's extremely individual - even between yourself and your brother - forget the sweeping generalisation society tends to make..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Woke up today, initially feeling okay. Nothing major, but as the day went on, it started taking a toll on me. I saw memories of my childhood, and moments of being with my Mum. It's strange, I watched Back to the Future, yesterday, and that hit me. Like strange emotional pangs, I think connecting with your parents again, that kind a deal. And I remember playing the video games, back in the day. My parents got them for me, to 'keep me out of trouble'. I'd never get into trouble, but I think it was to just keep us occupied. My Mum loved us.

    My emotions were bubbling up for the whole of today.

    We got to talking about my Mum, my brother and me, and talking about the end of the year. It feels like it's my mom's 'last breath'. Her last year, and we have to put her away, 'in a box', forever. When he left, I felt this major pang of depression. An extreme lonely feeling. And it stayed there, all day.

    I had to go get groceries. And on the way there, I got emotional. Just talking about things, about the past. Getting the shopping, I was on autopilot. I was just not really operating.

    And we decided to visit my mom's grave. And the emotions that had been bubbling up, came out. And it was just crying and tears, and apologising from me. My brother gave me time, on my own, to just speak to my parents. I just bawled. I haven't done that in weeks. The idea of a 'year ending' and 'leaving her behind', that's not fair. That angers me. That makes me want to scream. My Mum saved lives. That's not an exaggeration, there are people alive who's lives my Mum helped save. And they'd tell you that exact same story.

    And she never bragged about it or took credit, but they'd tell you how important she was to their lives.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 62,965 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    New year, desperate time of year for a lot of people.. It's definitely taken a chunk out of me, spent midnight in work gym away from everyone

    Still that's another yoke over for a year



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    It's better to get away from people at this time of year, especially if you're not feeling the festivities.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 62,965 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    I work through it usually so that's pretty ok, small crew so they are used to me finding more craic on a random day in the middle of nowhere



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Got irritated tonight, over a really ridiculous, stupid thing between my brother and me.

    I'm a mild hypochondriac. I hate people getting head-colds or flus, and my brother has a head-cold at the moment. And I said some stuff that just… it was idiotic. Plain stupid and idiotic.

    It was entirely my fault, and I said stupid stuff that would normally be brushed off or retorted with a good line. The usual brother dynamic. Even a punch in the arm that would be laughed off and we'd get back to normal.

    But things aren't the same right now, they're not normal. And my brother broke into tears, just a real meltdown crying kind of moment. Told me at times he's barely holding it together. And it's been a while since I felt that sh*t in my life. Like a monster. I apologised, and apologised, and apologised. But it doesn't feel enough.

    It brought me back to when my father passed away. We had to be careful what we said to my Mum, because it could upset her. Usual stuff, again, that would be brushed off with a stern giving out to, would instead be upsetting.

    And my Mum would often be a mediator to us. She'd know how to make us calm down and get over this nonsense. To put stupid stuff aside. She did it for all the family, whether it was my dad or my brother and me. And that dynamic, it's gone. I was worried that without her, something like this would happen.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 62,965 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Your brother will recognise, just like you have, that these are not normal times and the hurt won't last.. You sound like have an incredibly brotherly and supportive bond, things will crop up like this but you two have a bond beyond breaking for the trivial. Try not to let it suck you down too much..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    We talked about it, today, and he said it's the first time he's been sick and our mother not being here. It's a strange sensation, but it took him back to being a child, getting sick, and being cared for.
    The usual stuff, the hot whiskey or the vicks on the chest and nose.

    She could be a terrible patient herself, when it came to headcolds, but she'd always make sure we took the remedies.

    It's those little things that remind you how lucky we were, and also that that love and support isn't there anymore. It's a dreadful, sorrowful feeling. Just horrible.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 62,965 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Outpatient appointment today. Horrible, not sure exactly what I wanted outside of feeling heard but I am definitely at a bit of a loss now.

    I know they try and that perhaps I should wait to see the person that runs the clinic but I could not spend more time, I was an hour there as it was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,139 ✭✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    As my Mum would say, "You can only do your best". No matter what, we're sort of also at the mercy of the services available. I think there has been more demand placed on them, in recent times, and less financial assistance available.

    But you can only do your best. If you're frustrated, keep posting here. I think that when our thoughts 'bubble up' inside us, they can overwhelm us. You have to get them out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    A lot of frustrating thoughts the last few days. The question 'did we do enough?' for Mum, keeps springing up between my brother and me. Talking about how there were questions we asked, and answers we never got from certain medical professionals. It's like a broken record, but it's the brain going through the grief over and over again, asking the questions. But still not quite sure of the answers, if any.

    And for all the care she gave us throughout our lives, and for others, we couldn't do similar for her. Like her needs went above our capabilities. But then looking at things, from the past. When my father was ill, there were three of us to manage his health. And yet we couldn't do the same for Mum. For all the times she helped us, I'm angry at myself that I could not do the same for her. She was in a nursing home, and she was the only member of her family in one. And the guilt about that consumes me.

    There's this frustrating element of asking for help (from services, not from individual people, majority of people were very helpful) and being met with roadblocks. From what I've seen, with other people looking after family members, the services available have gotten a lot worse. When my dad was ill, over 18 years ago, there was more help available. A lot more services. My Mum, on the other hand, there was not. Instead it was private and expensive. We met with a lot of obstacles. Frustrating obstacles, people telling us her care was 'beyond our capabilities'. She had her mind, her mental faculties, but an infection would cause delerium, and they could be scary. Then there was trying to adapt the house for her needs. We were getting there, and then something would crop up. Apparently, her GP had said she was at risk of pneumonia, and had previously had a stroke. (The timeline of which we don't know-it could have been decades ago). We don't know how long ago that information was known, but my brother only found out a few months ago.


    I was recording a 'diary' entry on my phone. It was just something I felt would be quicker to record than it would be to write down. And I found two recordings, that I forgot I had. They were of me and my mom. Talking. From just over a year ago… It sent me down a black depression chasm and I slept so long in bed, it was about midnight before I could drag myself out of it. And my sleep and appetite has gone to crap.

    No surprise that I managed to get sick too. And my brother was right… it is very depressing, it does take you back to being a child and helpless. And you do miss your Mum.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 62,965 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Hugs to you both, I've no words of wisdom to offer, unfortunately this is your process and all we can do is be here reading and empathising. Try to care of yourselves even though it's probably furthest thing from your minds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Went out to check on my dogs. A sheepdog, and a terrier. Our sheepdog, she was my Mum's pride and joy. Taught her all these tricks. Made her a house and everything. Mum brought her home, on her lap, as a little puppy. And she's always asked us how she's doing, and how she was getting on. My Mum would easily give her dinner to that dog if she helped her. I'm talking in present tense, about my Mum, I know. It'll make sense in a minute, not really.

    Our sheepdog, she's been acting strange these last few weeks. Restless. Not going to her usual places. Both of them were agitated, like they knew something is off. But our sheepdog, she was a little more 'off', than her usual self. She kept getting out of her home, going to places. Barking. It's been something we've noticed since my Mum passed. The vet might give us a tablet to help her. Sometimes it would help.

    Well, tonight, we noticed she was not herself, at all. She wasnot really moving. Not alert. Not eating. And I called my brother, I know the signs. I've seen this before.

    She's dying. By the time I noticed the signs, we asked the vet to have a look. It was like 1 am. So we've made her comfortable. My brother put some old shirts on her. If nothing improves, we'll call the vet again, make sure there's no suffering. She's 13, almost 14, but she's been through some battles in her time. She even had her own puppies, who'll carry on her legacy. We had words with her, we said how much we loved her, and that we know Mum will be waiting for her. (I'm sorry if I get spiritual, I know that's not everyone's cup of tea.) Sprinkled holy water on her.

    This is an especially hard blow, because it feels like my Mum is calling her dog and friend home. She hadn't seen her in months, and it feels like they both want to be together. Like the only thing keeping our dog on this earth was seeing my Mum one last time. And then she knew that that wouldn't happen, when she never smelled her on us again. Years ago, when my Dad died, his steadfast sheepdog companion, who was always at his side, passed away about 6 months before him. We always said it was like he was 'checking the road ahead' of him. Which is what he would do - he'd go ahead, check on things. So him going before my Dad, it felt spiritual.

    My brother and me, we spent a good two hours tonight, talking, getting emotional. Hug your pets, and tell your loved ones you love them.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 62,965 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Ahhh their loyalty is beyond compare, awful for you but yes the spiritual element to it is a comfort in the pain, I'm glad you and your brother have each other



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Thank you. She passed away during the night. There was an incredible bond between my Mum and that dog. From the first second she saw my Mom. And this is a double blow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Just… had a lot of errands today. And my brother, he's done a lot of crying. It hasn't sunk in yet for me. It's the way these things are. Had to register my Mom's death too, so the timing of our dog passing, a strange alignment.

    But my brother, it really hit him. He remembers my Mum and him, going for our dog, as a puppy. And just the sheer elation my Mum had when she saw her. From that day on, that dog was treated like a princess. She would look in on my Mum, her two paws on the windowsill, staring in the window, standing on her two hind legs. Then my Mum would open the window, and she'd get a treat. She had that habit for life. At my Mum's funeral, there was a photo of her and her pets, two of whom had passed due to old age. This dog was the last survivor. And she's the reason my Mum is smiling in the photo-she's giving my Mum the paw, something my Mum taught her.

    She was a warrior. She almost died, many years ago (before Covid), due to a poisoning. (Not by our hand-we believe illegal fox hunting, but there had been poisonings in other areas at the time. It killed our other dog at the time). Our vet saved her life, and she fought back due to the care of my Mum. The vet said to feed her boiled chicken, with the bones removed, to bring her around. We did that for a few months, then slowly introduced her own food back in to her diet. After her recovery, like a few years after, she went on to have her own puppies, two litters, purebred sheepdogs. They were as cute and fluffy as she was as a puppy. And they weren't like we planned for them, she just found a beau she liked. They were microchipped and vaccinated and went to their forever homes. (And from the people who took them, many had similar traits to their Mom-including being an escape artist. Something she had as a puppy).

    Today, I'm still really smothered with this cold. But my brother, he was just fed up. Angry you could say, too.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 62,965 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    Everything is monumental effort now, a bit like walking through treacle or something isn't it?. Been in similar a time or two, ran myself down badly too. Caught every dose going



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    There's a thing about grieving and grief, apparently. It affects our immune system. There are different theories as to why, and there's also the risk of 'broken heart' syndrome, too. Apparently, the risk of stroke and heart attack goes up significantly after a bereavement.

    I know in the past, when I was a teenager, I could get a cold sore after an upset. That's pretty common too, apparently. My Mum got shingles, during a time my dad was recovering from an illness.

    I have a few relatives who are not in the best of shape either. One has been fighting a number of ailments- looking at palliative care now. Gonna found out about that this week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    We held a ceremonial burial for our dog, Monday. I didn't sleep, the night before. Was restless, to be honest. It was late in the evening, and my brother had already dug a hole to bury her in. Made a little place-marker too.

    I read out a piece I had written, put some mementos in with her. Some little keepsakes. And sprinkled some holy water too. Our other dog and our cat joined us.

    And then, for the rest of the day, I just sat in a chair. Lingered here, really. I went to bed early, like 11 pm, which is much earlier than my usual time. Woke up at 6am, went back to bed, and just slept off and on. Stayed in bed until 3 am. But as a former therapist told me, 'get up, no matter how late, get up'. It's tricky, because the weather is aggravating my head-cold, particularly making me 'croaky and phlegmy'. I'm taking lozenges, which help. And hydrating.

    But it's hard to keep going. Just tormenting, really. Trying to find a meaning. Wishing the world would stop spinning. And it's odd. I have had moments of depression for our dog, but I haven't been able to shed tears. At times, I hate myself. I booked a session with my therapist, for next week. I knew it would be needed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Hard to believe it's been a week since our dog passed. Had a strange dream about her. It was like she was telling me she had been suffering, even if we didn't see it. With pets in the past, we'd seen a visible decline before they passed. Hers was more subtle.

    Strange timing tonight, but was watching The Tommy Tiernan Show, and he had someone on who's written a stage show or performance, I guess, about grief. It was interesting how much of what she discussed aligned with what I felt, as well as how much of it was sort of acknowledging the mistakes one makes in the wake of grief and loss. I thought back to the time my Dad passed, and how I did make some dumb mistakes, on my part. (Not substances- I was always lucky to avoid doing anything like drugs. I avoided them). And some ways, how you try to run from it, but not trying to escape it.

    Thinking back to things, there were moments when we'd find something that belonged to my Dad, and it would stir emotions. Sadness and regret. And I realise I haven't even gone near my Mum's stuff. She'd told us there was stuff she wanted relatives to have, years and years ago. She knew my brother and me would not have the use for them. And yet, even parting with them will be difficult. I realise too, that there are things I didn't deal with when my father passed. They're resurfacing again with my Mom.

    And the phonecalls from extended family stopped. Feels like folks have forgotten about us. The world keeps turning. I talk about my Mom with strangers more than I do with relatives.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 62,965 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    I think I found that the most enraging part, the cheek of people moving on!. From a distance I understand now of course but the feeling was so visceral and upsetting at the time



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    If you don't mind my asking, Grem, how did you navigate life as an adult orphan?

    I saw someone say losing a parent reduces you to a child almost immediately. And it does, especially how you feel your emotions take control of you.

    Went for a trip yesterday, just getting some stuff from the hardware store, and bags of coal because the frost and cold weather hasn't gotten lost yet.

    And we travelled to someplace that holds a special memory for us. For the whole family, really, my Dad, my Mum and us kids, at the time. It was the first time I'd been there in three decades, I think. It's closed, because it opens during the summer, but we started reminiscing. We went there as little children, and it was a great memory of my Mom being a prankster. Playing pranks on my Dad. And this wonderful Summer weather, and just that freedom that we had back then. It was before my Dad's health started having issues.

    There were some places we couldn't see. I don't know if there are certain facilities still open or if they've moved. It was hard to tell. It got dark really early yesterday, so we couldn't really make out things that weren't lit. And I remembered stuff that my brother had forgotten, and he remembered stuff that I had forgotten. It almost made my cry, but not sad tears, happy tears. It was a lovely memory. Lovely to revisit a place and not feel sad, but memories of a happy childhood.

    Sundays were always the 'visit Mum' days. So I think my brother wanted that trip to 'trick' our brains into thinking we were visiting Mum. We went to see relatives. To do something that passed the day, really. You're never far from the sadness. And you find something else that creates a depression. That reminds you of the void that's now in your life, that won't get filled or replaced. It's indescribable, honestly. I've tried putting it into words, but I don't have them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    Just depressed the whole day. Made dinner tonight, and stuffed up the recipe. It was 'off' in either the cooking or the seasoning.

    Got reading last night, and read up on my Mum's condition. Or at least the main conditions she suffered from. A deep dive if you will. On average, folks don't live too long after being diagnosed with what my Mum had. That made things even more frustrating. The odds were always against us.

    And as I went to sleep last night, I realised that on Friday, it's been two months since her stroke. And on Sunday, it will be two months since her passing. And I carry this enormous weight, of grief, of guilt, of anger. And a sadness that that can just erupt at times.

    Mum was our rock. And I worry what things will be like without her.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 62,965 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gremlinertia


    I wouldn't wish grief like that on anyone - it's relentless, if I heard one more person say "it just shows the strength of your love for them" I might just have gone postal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,974 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    And being an 'orphan' now feels so strange. Even grocery shopping, you wander around and think 'Mum might need this'. Or my brother has said to me, he often thinks 'Oh, better give mum a phone call'… and then gets the realisation.

    Also, have to register my Mum's death to get the certificate to prove her passing. Already there are letters coming with stuff like 'you owe us money', because my Mum's death isn't official. And the registrar is out sick, so might have to make the physical journey further afield.

    There wasn't anything that set off my depression, so to speak… but it just stayed there. Talking helps. But then you find something that belonged to Mum, or you get this memory. The many times when she made us laugh, or had a go at people. It was her affectionate way of joking with you. And there's gratitude for having positive memories, like, not everyone gets those. I think we all know someone who had a bad relationship with one or both parents, and that it never mended.

    When my father passed away, weeks after his passing, my Mum had a 'bonfire'. She didn't burn all his belongings, but she burnt the stuff that reminded her of his illness, stuff from the last year of his life. She didn't want to remember that. I wouldn't dream of doing that to my Mum's stuff, but I understand why she did that. When the HSE folks collected the medical bed and other things, I remember my mom had to go into a room and cry. I think after that she had the bonfire. But to her it was losing a connection, and not her choice. The bonfire was just to burn all the horrible memories, I think. When the cancer was killing him, and taking away our 'real' dad.

    And we get people saying 'Oh, that's a great age' but then we get other people saying 'Oh, she was young'… That stuff stings. Like feeling you were 'robbed' of time with your parents, compared to others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,139 ✭✭✭✭SuperBowserWorld


    Constant high anxiety levels. So many difficult problems have built up and in fight or flight mode most of the time. Riddled with self doubt criticism, anger, frustration, regret, fear, worry, depression.



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