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N11/N25 - Oilgate to Rosslare Harbour [route options published]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 Robmtv


    Hi All,

    New to boards so apologies for joining in late, my house is located just up from the Rosslare Roundabout and is on the proposed motorway plan to be demolished to make way for a flyover the existing Rosslare Road. To say I'm exhausted and distraught over the delays is an understatement. I've contacted TD's, solicitors, planners etc to try get this moved on but nothing... everywhere I go I'm hit with blank expressions and sorry we can't do anything it has to go through the process, the lack of willingness to get this project completed is amazing it's like they want to just keep it at the planning stages, we have had so many surveys done around our property it's laughable at this stage and the cost of doing all these must be crazy. The silence from Wex Coco our TDs and councillors says it all I've contacted them all and nothing. Sorry guys rant over....it's a good read going through your posts thanks for that..

    ,



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,760 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Mate, they always move at this speed. We have a long process in this country. There is no point in asking TDs, councillors or solicitors, they have no idea because it isn’t them that’s building it. Transport Infrastructure Ireland is the one building it, only they know.

    And consultant fees for a road likely aren’t high compared to the cost of building the road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭geographica


    Have they got that level of detail already re flyovers etc?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 Robmtv


    Yes they had the plans finished and ready to submit to an bord pleanala until Eamon Ryan decided to put a stop to it until a active travel route was included we have a map of the outline of the flyover going over our home..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭geographica


    are these public documents then? So we can see the level of detail?

    Sure it’s not a proposed flyover over your home?


    Probably am wrong but just seems very early to have detailed drawings when the last major drawing published seem to be the preferred route selection and the 300 metre corridor



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 Robmtv


    That statement is exactly the reason I went to all those people we all just accept this is the way it is...It was to stop people from being left in limbo for years nearly 15yrs in our case. This should not be allowed to happen in the UK the have 7yrs from the announcement date of a project to complete it after that date a stop is put on the project and it isn't revisited that should apply here to so I'll keep at them to change the way these projects are handled...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,603 ✭✭✭✭josip


    It wouldn't have been unreasonable to expect the remaining N11 to be prioritised if they've spent €230m on a post Brexit terminal at Rosslare.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2025/1107/1542687-customs-control-facility-rosslare/

    Although perhaps net volumes have not changed significantly, merely been a shift from UK→Rosslare to Europe→Rosslare.

    Having a nosey through the traffic volumes, the HGV percentage at the Rosslare sensor is unsurprisingly a couple of percent higher than the national average.

    https://trafficdata.tii.ie/publicmultinodemap.asp

    One other interesting thing from those sensors is that the volumes at the Oilgate sensor (18k) are quite high compared to other roads in the region (not exceeded on the M/N11 until beyond Gorey) and is substantially higher than most parts of Cork-Limerick (11k).

    I'd be curious if there is any other single carriage road in the country that has a higher ADT than Ferrycarrig - Oilgate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,297 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Volumes at ports are too small to be relevant if you’re talking about capacity limits. A modern RO-RO ferry can carry 550 cars, and about 1200 lane-metres of cargo (about 50 trucks with 40 ft trailers). You would need one such boat docking every hour, all through the day and night to exceed the capacity of a single carriageway road. My guess is that there’s currently about 1500~2000 AADT due to the ferries, the rest of the Rosslare count is locals (the counter is in the village, not the port)

    The planned 2+2 approach road was chosen for safety, not capacity: car drivers do exceptionally stupid and dangerous things around HGVs at the best of time, without adding the stress of the long trips that ferry passengers are taking.

    The reason Oilgate is so high is that there’s no other crossing of the Slaney anywhere near here - the majority is local and regional traffic, and a lot of it is taking a huge detour just to cross the river.

    Oilgate is really the only place that is critically bad at present, and it’s really such a shame that this was left as the only un-bypassed settlement north of the Slaney, but the rest of N11/N25 is functioning pretty well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,603 ✭✭✭✭josip


    According to Marno in the NDP thread:

    N11/N25 Oilgate to Rosslare (procurement by 2029, commence by 2030)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭geographica


    Oilgate is really the only place that is critically bad at present, and it’s really such a shame that this was left as the only un-bypassed settlement north of the Slaney, but the rest of N11/N25 is functioning pretty well.


    the roundabouts around Wexford, on the N25 including the Maldron, are a disaster at peak times and they don’t function well at these times



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Also bonnet to number traffic both ways between Oilgate and Ferrycarraig.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭geographica




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Have there been any formal publications on this project since the Preferred Scheme Option report from 2021? What has actually happened since then?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭geographica


    an awful lot of rehash and waffle has occured




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭geographica




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,603 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I believe "engagement is ongoing" is the preferred term among those with knowledge of the project.

    Since 2009 is a very long time and although not many homeowners are affected it is very unfair on those who are. They seem very poorly treated compared to the 19 Dartmouth Square West residents who were always free to sell up and get on with their lives.

    Post edited by josip on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭geographica


    the problem is some people are not being engaged with, that’s what Lisa McDonalds point is



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭Pale Red


    What are the legalities of preventing a person from selling their property. I understand that buyers may be reluctant or seek a discount, but that is hardly a prohibition. I presume that as the route becomes refined, the level of doubt and discount will change.

    It seems peculiar that the vast majority have had a number of engagements and some have had no engagement at all. It could be a refusal to engage by the owners (I have zero involvement so don't know either way).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭geographica


    doubt it’s a refusal to engage given McDonald is saying some people are not being engaged with, knowing her this means that nobody from the council has engaged with some people affected



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,634 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Consultation open until next week for Rosslare Strand to Rosslare Harbour Greenway;

    Do we know if that will form part of the Active Travel facilities required under this project or will they be duplicating it?



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,964 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Latest from WCC:

    Project design is progressing, with additional work underway to address Service Area requirements, Active Travel provisions, and Biodiversity considerations.

    Preliminary design of the River Slaney Bridge and the associated Railway Protection Structure (RPS) at the river crossing has commenced. Preparation of the Maritime Usage Licence (MUL) and Maritime Area Consent (MAC) applications are ongoing. Updates to the traffic modelling are nearing completion, and environmental surveys remain ongoing.

    Consultation with directly affected landowners is continuing.

    A Real Estate Valuation of the proposed alignment is underway.

    Work on the Environmental, Planning, Design, and other supporting reports is also progressing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,603 ✭✭✭✭josip


    So things have commenced and are progressing, continuing, underway and also progressing. Wonderful.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭geographica


    what’s this in lay man’s terms?

    “A Real Estate Valuation of the proposed alignment is underway.”



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,760 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    They need land and property valuations for any property acquisitions they will need so they know how much they will cost to purchase



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