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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,777 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    I don't think @Paddigol was suggesting you or I are not successful, higher functioning adults. Just that there are a large number, the percentage of the population unknown, who would unwittingly link not having a car with maybe not having sufficient money to have a car. They may not say it out loud, they may not phrase it that way, but in some way, they simply associate car ownership with a normal thing that (their opinion) nearly all Irish people would have. You are of course correct in that this is ridiculous, loads in Dublin do not, I have neighbours in rural midlands who don't, they walk to the shop, the post office and the local pub, they need not for a car, so why would they get one.

    A well timed anecdote, I was in Cork yesterday for a meeting, and one of the speakers was from Dublin, successful and well educated as far as I know arrived down to Mallow train station and then ringing us to see did we have a taxi service locally, he just presumed there would be one.

    Now the shock to me, someone who frequently uses the train is that he, a supposedly intelligent and successful person would not have thought to check this before coming down. This persons "brand" is of thinking things through, seeing solutions using technology etc. I found it surprising he wouldn't have even done a quick google, and pre booked a taxi if required.

    Another person in the meeting though, as if in direct response to this thread, started giving out, how does this supposedly successful business man, entrepreneur not have a car, FFS, and immediately became dubious of this persons supposed success.

    We were both shocked but for very different reasons. Now no one else shared this view, or at least didn't get sucked into the rabbit hole of discussing it. One pointed out that he was from Dublin, and that taxis would typically be freely available but still stupid he presumed it. Another seemed confused that someone from Ireland wouldn't know that Mallow doesn't have taxis freely available, I put this down to people from Cork presuming (mass generalisation) that everyone loves Cork and knows things like this.

    The same happened to me when I moved down south, they didn't understand why I cycled to the train station, would I not drive? you don't have a car? why not? general looks of mild confusion before moving on as they appeared to be stuck in a slight loop mentally, as they know ( I presume) having talked to me there is nothing that would make me stand out or appear to have such a decision forced upon me (and there isn't or wasn't). Whereas in Dublin, it would never have even been questioned.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 45,528 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Am I correct in remembering that a number of years ago, taxi drivers wanted to be able to use Uber as a handling service and the regulator didn't them involved?

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,565 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I'm not sure of what the taxi drivers stance was but wasn't the regulator's stance that Uber are welcome, but they must play by the rules (which didn't suit Uber)?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,847 ✭✭✭JMcL


    I always used to be confused at the supposedly self-employed taxi drivers going on strike - how's that supposed to work? They had some rep that looked a bit like a gone to seed Hulk Hogan constantly moaning (having been living in Dublin at the time and facing 1-2 hour waits on taxis my sympathy with whatever plight they thought they had was thin to say the least)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,079 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Another seemed confused that someone from Ireland wouldn't know that Mallow doesn't have taxis freely available, I put this down to people from Cork presuming (mass generalisation) that everyone loves Cork and knows things like this.

    I suspect you're looking at this the wrong way around. They'd more likely assumed that everyone knows Mallow doesn't have taxis freely available because we don't have anything like that outside the Greater Dublin Area and the city centres of Cork and Limerick. Honestly, that's way bigger than a "Cork" thing. I wouldn't expect taxis at Killarney, Tralee etc and I would not be surprised if there no taxis at Limerick rank upon arrival.

    We don't get things like integrated transport systems around the rest of the country and I've seen lots of times where Dublin people I know have had a shock by the infrastructure/services gap. It's like a London person arriving to Dublin and wondering where the tube station is: "in our dreams pal, that's where it is". I know it's reasonable to expect these things, but we're coming from a very low base here!

    Synopsis: when you're from "de stix" you quickly learn that when it comes to transport you can take nothing for granted!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,990 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Well Uber not allowed to do the lift sharing model in this state - it's effectively another taxi booking app. I don't really understand why the taxi drivers don't just remove themselves from the Uber app, rather than expect the regulator to enforce a change? If no taxi drivers were signed up, uber would disappear or change (in this state at least).



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    Yep, rural taxis in my experience tend to be best found by enquiring at the local pub or shop. They're usually there, if sporadic, but you just need to know where to look. Don't know if local rural taxis are on any of the apps yet, assuming of course you could get a data signal on your phone. Most rural towns list a couple of taxis on google or the yellow pages.

    Spent some time in rural Canada this Summer and they had road signs up for hitch-hiking spots where most folks would stop and give you a lift. Hitching used to be a pretty good way of getting around rural Ireland when I was much younger but not sure if it is still a thing.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭Allinall


    None of the taxi spokesmen/ women are prepared to articulate their real issue.

    Too many foreign drivers coming into the business and will inevitably sign up to Uber, work longer hours and take fares off the old school "I'm entitled" lazy drivers who want to protect their cartel.

    I see they have called off their protest next week on the spurious claim they have a meaningful meeting with government representatives next week.

    Nothing to do with the public outrage on all forums today.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    And then you compare that to Catherine Connolly rocking up to vote on her bicycle and I'd guess most would assume she's a succesful functioning adult. There are no doubt a broad range of attitudes out there, some very polarised, many very car-centric for sure, others not so much. Speculation about what those attitudes are, and more importantly, their distribution, based on one's own first hand experiences is sketchy to say the least. Interesting study here which shows decreased take up of driving licenses among many industrialized countries which suggests we may have passed 'peak car'. The cynic in me might think that politicians looking for photo-ops on bikes is done to appeal to what they consider to be a significant demographic in the voting population who are not car-centric.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They have a point, in fairness. Uber will drive down fares being paid to the driver, and then when they have critical mass in the market, they'll ramp back up the fares being charged to the passenger, and leave the drivers working at subsistence level. It's their business model.

    They're not here to help passengers.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭Allinall


    The drivers have a very simple way of stopping that, without protests that disrupt the public.

    Don't sign up to the app.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Many of the drivers are immigrants who don't have that luxury.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,775 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Of course they do.

    They work to the very same rules as the Irish drivers. Anyway, it appears they are not the ones protesting.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They really don't, living in **** housing, with shittty healthcare, with shittty other employment opportunities, trying to support family back home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 844 ✭✭✭p15574


    Difficult to prove, and doesn't even need interaction. You see a lot of phone cradles stuck to the windscreen. Apart from the usual idiots watching Netflix etc, all it would take would be a WhatsApp notification popping up on the screen and the driver taking their eyes off the road to read the message, all without touching the phone. You could only perhaps prove that a message was received within minutes of the estimated time of the incident (as I don't think the exact time of the collision would be known)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    .II wonder if the experts can tell the difference between an app updating in the background, any social media app, or a user proactively updating



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,502 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Don't suppose it matters now, Nolan was determined to let this woman off lightly regardless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Immigrant taxi drivers aren't thick, if there's more money for them in deleting the app and picking up on the side of the street, that's exactly what they will do.

    I took an uber late last Saturday night, the taxi meter rate came to €20.80 while the fixed fare was €19.97. The difference was minimal enough to be fair and certainly not worth protesting (ie. giving Uber free advertising) over and pissing off half a nation



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    They're far from thick, but they're also not in a position to play the long term game. They don't have the luxury of worrying about what Uber are going to do to taxi fares and to driver income once they get a controlling stake in the market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,150 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Aldi are advertising a dash-mounted 'car smart display' in their current leaflet. Basically an iPad sized colour interactive touch screen type yoke to plonk in the area which you'd think should be kept obstruction/ distraction free our of "if it saved just one life" safety concerns.

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    I've no doubt it's legal, and I'm aware that its simply providing functions that many cars now come with as standard. Which is kind of the point really - the blasé attitude towards the ever increasing levels of driver distractions that come "as standard". Not that you'd hear much discussion about it.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'd wonder if it allows apps like YouTube to play while driving?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    When Uber start destroying driver incomes drivers will be deleting the app and start giving out phone numbers again. Simple enough process



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's not how it works in other countries. Once they get a grip on consumers, they get to control the market. They'll also be lobbying politicians for regulatory changes to allow them to skip all that pesky vetting and approval of drivers and vehicles, so that every Joe and Josephine becomes a taxi(Uber) driver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭Dr_Colossus


    What the actual …. Had to do a double take on this piece to confirm I'd read it correctly:

    "It found that 36 people were arrested three times for driving under the influence of alcohol and drugs, 263 were arrested twice and seven were arrested between five and 11 times."

    Given how unlikely it is to come across a check point how does someone get caught 11 times for drink/drug driving and still remain a threat to society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    And when there's feck all taxi drivers on their apps the public will say bye bye to those same apps. Joe and Josephine will likely be unvetted and it won't take much for mr/mrs general public to realise their lives are worth more than the few quid savings



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    We're not like other countries, we require individual taxi drivers to be licenced, most other countries have no such requirement



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I know, that's what kept Uber as a non-issue here for the last decade. They're obviously working to get a grip here, regardless of the licencing issue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,034 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    I wish them luck, they'll need it with the way our regulations are so tight, I can see the regulator ruling that the taxis have to be able to make what's on their meter, even if that means Uber make up the difference between what we pay on the fixed price

    As it stands the system is quite good, there are certainly taxis that take the "long way" to improve their income from a particular journey when they hear the yank accents. I see no issue with a fixed price where a taxi can legally get his/her share



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'd be very surprised at any change in regulation around fares. The fundamental basis of fares at present is that the metered rate is a maximum, but drivers can agree lower fares if they choose. There's not a snowball's chance of Uber making up any difference, they've only just got it into profitability so they're not going to be slipping back into subsidising customers when they just grab a big share of the market, and then set the standards for everyone else. This will be a race to the bottom, squeezing full-time drivers out of the job, and turning it into the '2nd job' or '3rd job'.

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