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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 193 ✭✭DUBLINBUSGUY


    A driver told me that the unions told drivers to disregard the press it box beeping along the route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,479 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    What is the press-it box?

    Post edited by Esel on

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,814 ✭✭✭Midnight_EG


    Gives the driver route information and also keeps track of whether the journey is ahead or behind schedule. It's an incessant beeping machine.

    Union stance is 'leave on time and ignore calls to regulate' which is fair, it's been going on 2 years at this stage so it's about time they grew a pair and advised their members to do this



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Simple answer is that bus schedules are not drawn up like that in cities anywhere.

    Dublin Bus schedule the running times in groups of departures (or bands) - the journey times extend out in the run up to the peak periods and then contract back in after the peak periods. That does mean headways become greater the further you go along the route in the run up to the peak and then they shorten as running times are reduced. That's a fact of life in scheduling a bus service.

    If you look at bustimes.org and pick out routes you can see how on some of the routes that while two buses can leave a terminus 12 mins apart, they can be scheduled to be 37 mins apart by the time they reach the other end of the route.

    On some routes this is solved by having extra buses added to start further in along the route to try and mitigate the service gaps.

    Go-Ahead don't really use bands, scheduling them one by one with journey times extending and contracting gradually, but certainly in the run up to the morning peak the likes of the S4, S6 and S8 have extra buses scheduled in the run up to the morning peak when the running times extend out to mitigate those extended gaps.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,388 ✭✭✭caviardreams


    Personally as a user I don't mind that a ten min frequency bus doesn't come every ten minutes, and might be a 15 min+ gaps sometimes due to traffic or loading times. What I do mind, is timetabled buses not running!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 59 ✭✭Arhanedus


    The problem with Dublin Bus's timing bands is that all buses leaving between 6:30 and 7:30 have the exact same timing pattern. Traffic conditions change gradually - the amount of cars and bus passengers doesn't suddenly double the moment clocks hit 6:30. This means that the bus leaving at 7:20 will often be late as traffic gets bad, whereas the 6:40 bus will often be early as there's nowhere near as much traffic.

    The E1 northbound departures actually become irregular before it switches to an 8-minute frequency: there are buses leaving Ballywaltrim at 6:30, 6:35, 6:43, and 6:45. It almost screams like this was done to make the buses spread apart and keep a decent frequency along the route, but instead all of them take the exact same amount of time to get to Dublin and Northwood.

    If not fixing the timings to begin with, it would've at least made some sense to add a few buses halfway along the route to reduce the largest gaps. The fact that the buses departed the terminus 10 minutes apart is not much use if you're taking the bus from the city centre (or, even worse, near the other terminus) and have to wait 30 minutes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings after your huge post, but that table was pure gibberish.

    A revised frequency table is now on the BusConnects website

    https://busconnects.ie/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/A3-Frequency-Table-21.11.25.pdf

    This is the original issued back at the start of October reformatted, but with a small number of changes that I can see:

    D-Spine peak frequency reversed from every 10 mins to every 12 mins for each of the four routes.

    48 and 98 are shown as starting from 07:00 Mon to Fri - I suspect that this is a typo and that they should be starting at 06:00, as the Saturday table still shows them both starting at 06:00. Such a late start would make no sense.

    The 97 is now shown as starting at 07:00 and finishing at 19:00.

    The peak/express table now has the correct headings.

    They’ve the wrong frequency in for the X1 evenings - there should be 2 between 17:00 & 18:00



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 507 ✭✭✭PlatformNine


    Honestly for as much gibberish as that table was it did make a lot of small corrections that are now gone, such as the many routes routes missing early morning departures. But also as you point out its managed to keep a few of the possibly new typos like the 48 and 98 early departures and I've also noticed it is missing the 30-min freq for the 60.

    Also the orbitals, 48, 98, and X1 missing departures are still there, the boxes just aren't coloured so its white text on a white box. I only noticed it now when I was highlighting rows to help me read.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Hippodrome Song Owl


    I recently filled out the TFI feedback form about a particular scheduled departure on a DB route having unreastically long scheduled timings between stops meaning the bus was always 7-10 mins ahead by the sixth stop - nonsense like 5mins scheduled between stops 350m apart where there's rarely traffic. The bus routinely departed late, drove at 15kmh, and waited 3/4 mins at each stop. You could also hear the driver being chastised over the radio for being early - which I raised as particularly unpleasant for passengers, in addition to the frustration of the pointless delays.

    I eventually received a response fobbing me off with rubbish about timing points and procedures agreed with unions, which didn't address the issue at all. However the actual scheduled was changed that week on the TFI app, with a cut from 27mins to 20mins on the part of the route I highlighted. It's still too long most days, but it's some improvement. A shame the customer service response to me couldn't have been more helpful though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,351 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    To be honest, the only ones that we need to be concerned about are the ones that haven’t happened yet.

    I wouldn’t even waste my time about the others - we have timetables for them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,020 ✭✭✭George White


    The customer service is awful. Why can't you email them...

    The form is so fiddly.



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