BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

The Mathematician

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123949546#Comment_123949546

I would expect a service to wait at a given set of stops (which are labelled as such in the timetable) and not leave until the timetable says it should. I don't really think that is too much to ask. In fact I thought we had already achieved that, but it seems we have not.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123949626#Comment_123949626

As I already said they do wait at certain stops along the route that are agreed with the unions as suitable, but normally buses aren’t running particularly early and 2 mins is more than sufficient to bring it back on time. If buses on the S6 are, as you suggest, waiting for longer than that then that’s a problem as the timetable is too generous and people will get frustrated.

This particular situation on the 24 is not normal nor typical.

For most routes the problem is the other way around - not enough running time and buses running late.

The Mathematician

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123949652#Comment_123949652

Really the problem with the S6 is that the traffic is very variable, it is very different in term time compared to out of term time. It is actually quite good when traffic allows.

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123949718#Comment_123949718

That’s why you need different schedules for different times of the year.

Dublin Bus do that but GAI for some reason don’t.

halfpastneverr

69X this morning pulled in at the stop outside Harris/Izuzu on the Naas Road and played the 'in order to get the bus back on schedule there will be a short delay' message. I've never heard that on any of the X routes before, thought whole point of them is they're supposed to be quicker. Might have been a new driver I suppose.

The other week on the reverse journey back out to Rathcoole, there was crap traffic at the turn off into Kilmainham from Con Colbert. Driver obviously was fed up, so we ended up going straight up the N4 and onto the M50 southbound and then back onto the N7 at the Red Cow. I was delighted, but hopefully nobody was waiting to get on/off at Kylemore Luas!

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123949746#Comment_123949746

Kylemore is officially only set down on the outbound trip (not pick-up) on the 69x.

Drivers can only go off route if instructed to do so by central control - that would be a red flag on the system. Drivers don't decide to go off-route by themselves.

The X routes are subject to the same restrictions as every other route in terms of being on time at pick up stops.

Inbound the 69x picks up at Kylemore LUAS so the schedule is important - it was running a minute ahead of time this morning, looking at BusTimes, hence the wait, but once it passes that stop there are no restrictions as it is set down only.

Busman Paddy Lasty

Is there a Route map for the 82 that includes stops it serves?

Was waiting at stop 495 on Westland Row and the 82 made no attempt to get in lane and stop. Stayed in the driving lane past the stop, ready for turning right onto Pearse St.

DaBluBoi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123949822#Comment_123949822

In bustimes it shows the full route alongside every stop it serves:

https://bustimes.org/services/82-irishtown-kiltipper#map

LXFlyer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123949822#Comment_123949822

https://bustimes.org/services/82-irishtown-kiltipper#map

It's supposed to serve that stop.

DrivingSouth

In terms of the previous phases, when they have had time to have a few bites at the time table cherry, do they eventually get it more or less right or are we destined to suffer forever more.

Busman Paddy Lasty

Christ, I wonder do they all skip it. Seems difficult to get from the left lane at that stop over to right lane in short distance.

VG31

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123949867#Comment_123949867

There's a similar problem at stop 1633 at Dardistown for the 24. The traffic for the right turn lane is usually backed up much further than that stop. It's a very quiet stop though so probably isn't too much of a problem but it should still be removed as a stop for the 24.

StreetLight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123949822#Comment_123949822

That stop is behind a row of lane divider bollards. There is no way a bus can serve it and then try to turn right onto Pearse Street. The NTA has made a mistake in allocating that stop to the route.

jd

And the E1 never serves stop 6182 northbound after Santry Avenue - it would be diificult to get into the right turn lane for Northwood

https://bustimes.org/stops/8220DB006182

Busman Paddy Lasty

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123949898#Comment_123949898

I'll make a complaint to the NTA and have it dealt with ASAP 🤣

I was eager to see how the bus would navigate the small gap in the dividers but it is likely all services skip it as it is not workable.

The app lead me to that stop. RTPI board has the 82 on it. Stop has printed timetable ffs. I don't think anyone from the NTA is driven the routes in a car or even on Google street view.

Taisteal Éireann

I've seen the 82 drop-off and pick-up at stop 100111, where the 133 and NX stop, on Westland Row as it can't access stop 495 due to the bollards as other posters have mentioned. I know that the NTA are trying to keep the city and regional bus stops separate, but I see no reason why the 82 can't serve stop 100111 instead.

john boye

That stop 495 on Westland Row stood out to me as very difficult for the 82 to serve. There's a gap in the bollards which may be for the 82 to switch lanes but even still it doesn't look possible.

Busman Paddy Lasty

I actually did walk back to the stop 100111 to double check if the 82 would stop there, based on the lane and bollard layout near 495.