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Cork developments

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,407 ✭✭✭Mav11




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭jimbob955


    Anti greenway CPO protest during the week. I can't ever see the Cork to Kinsale greenway ever been built really. Maybe they should focus on areas where they do actually want a greenway or focus on more urban areas where the population exists close by to support them like:

    Ballincollig to UCC

    Passage to Ringaskiddy

    Jesus Christ, I am embarrassed to be from the same county as Michael Collins. What a joke of an elected official. With guys like him no wonder we can't deliver infrastructure projects in this land.

    He and some of the anti-greenway group were mentioning Cromwell and the Black and Tans. Comparing a proposed greenway to our passed history. Just embarrassing and wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭gooseman12


    The really annoying thing for me is, if it was a road project, the vast majority of these same people would be in favour, even if it involved 10 times the amount of land CPO'ed and any number of house demolitions.

    The Cork-Kinsale anti group using photos of the demolishing of the house involved in the Alan Hawe incident as part of their campaign/propaganda was absolutely despicable though, so far down below any low I would think people were capable of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    Just CPO it and be done with it.

    Let them have their moan and carry on.

    This would be a fantastic project. I support it 100%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭jimbob955


    I can't see going ahead, too much water under the bridge at this stage.

    They will either have to do a watered down version of it, which would be useless, or back to the very very start.

    It would be great if there was a pro Greenway group or even some kind of social media profile in support of the greenway. The anti greenway group control the narrative.

    If you do support it send an email to:

    corkkinsalegreenway@corkrdo .ie

    info@tii .ie.

    michael.collins@oireachtas .ie



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Remember the anti-greenway group do not really control the narrative they are just a very small, very loud minority. The true feelings of the community are more difficult to measure and you'll hear them in confidence. In much the same way as polls before elections get things wrong, a silent majority usually is in favour of schemes like this but are unwilling to rock the boat.

    The same anti-greenway group have expended a lot of political capital and this will be remembered when the next similar public-good scheme comes to the locality. For instance when local people start asking the Council things like "can we have a playground" or "can we have a roads upgrade they will be told "the consultation process will be very long and drawn out" and everyone will know what that means.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,472 ✭✭✭Mefistofelino


    About a century ago, Mencken wrote that "the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." Collins is just ensuring he stays employed and "relevant". A bloviating coward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭jimbob955


    I agree they appear to be a very small, very very vocal minority.

    But they are very organised and are controlling the messaging around greenways, all negative all the time. They have instilled fear in local community especially amongst the elderly.

    They have been on multiple Facebook pages, other social media including LinkedIn. Papers - Examiner, southern star. 96fm. They have a petition ongoing. They have had numerous public multiple meetings. And have numerous councillors and TDs on their side.

    They very much control the narrative unfortunately, It would be great if there was an organised pro Greenway group



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,631 ✭✭✭daithi7


    Heard this recently from someone and was wondering if it's actually true:

    Say a developer produces an apartment that they can sell for 500k, with government grants & incentives, the developer can now get ~150k back in grants on this apartment. Then first time borrowers, who will agree to live there for 10 years, can get a 20% grant, (& 30% if separated or divorced) also on top of this. Then there was also the recent reduction in vat on new builds.

    So all told , a separated, first time buyer can seemingly buy a 500k apartment for 270k effectively?

    Is this actually true!?

    Seems extraordinarily generous ....

    P.s. I'll have to warn the missus, my bachelor escape pad is at last becoming more viable!? ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭jimbob955


    The above are proposals for additional residential lands to support accelerated housing delivery. Looks to me like it highlights future re-zoning etc. As expected the city will sprawl outwards. I would imagine 800+ houses planned for Lehenaghmore for example!

    best thing to do is export the file to excel and search for the area of he city you are interested in!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 942 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    A lot in Maryborough too, which is good. It feels like a natural extension of the city’s urban area, on a 24 hour bus route and a Bus Connects STC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 fairbox


    BAM, BAM. You shot me down...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,583 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Is the redevelopment of Debenhams the same as was discussed here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 942 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Captainsatnav


    I was in town last week for first time in a couple of months. I really thought the place is looking extremely shabby , run down and neglected unfortunately.

    Granted, it's apples and oranges, but the previous 2 days I had spent in Dublin for a work thing and the difference in vibe, energy, streetscape, quality of retail and built environment, especially around the Harcourt St/Wilton Terrace area is like 2 completely seperate countries and economies. Didn't see a phone repairs shop or a vape shop or a dingy chipper.

    The North main St/Castle St Washington St area of Cork in particular is a shameful indicator of the lack of ambition on the part of Cork City.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    There's very grubby, underdeveloped areas of Dublin city centre , too. I'm thinking around Gardner street and Dorset street for one and there's others.

    But yes, parts of Dublin do make Cork look very provincial and not very prosperous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 772 ✭✭✭lostinsuperfunk


    My eye-opener was a recent trip to Belfast, it's like being on a different planet to Dublin and Cork. The general level of filth, neglect and dereliction north of the river in Dublin was truly shocking. They still leave rubbish in piles of bags on the street for collection there — I thought that had ended decades ago everywhere. South Main Street, Castle Street, Shandon Street and much of Washington Street in Cork are looking very shabby too.

    Not sure what can be done about it. The City Council can acquire derelict privately-owned buildings, but there are a lot of buildings that are not derelict but in need of serious TLC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 489 ✭✭PreCocious


    And yet one street over from Harcourt Street is Camden St which is of variable quality.

    Hard to really compare cities - Parnell St, Marlborough Street, Talbot Street, Sheriff St in Dublin's Northside are fairly meh but are probably not where one ends up when just on a short stay.

    North Main Street is incredibly frustrating for its traders who are trying to make a living while certain property owners are letting a large tranche rot and leaving us the LPT payers to pick up the tab.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    It is, and much more high-rise, but take a trip to a place called "Friendly Street" in Belfast not too far from the city center and you'll see the same thing as you describe.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 13,939 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    The area around the new bridge linking to Lamley's Lane is looking very nice.

    IMG_20251207_164759.jpg IMG_20251207_164824.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 942 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    Major progress in the Docklands at the Marina Depot site



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,173 ✭✭✭opus




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 312 ✭✭jimbob955


    Some new builds announced here:#

    Railyard - careys tools / sextant and CMP Dairies - Turners Cross

    1. 2. Dennehys Cross and Wellington Road

    Overall its great to see new housing delivered on brownfield sites closer to the city/existing urban areas and close to and amenities etc.

    For CMP Dairies site I hope they build and an entrance to Tramore Valley Park from this side. Badly needed and especially with this site and Vita Cortex site coming online. Both sides badly need some accessible green areas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,583 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Bam want to build student accommodation on Sullivan's quay on the tax office site.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭blindsider


    Well that doesn't bode well for the phantom Events Centre. If an Events Centre was to be built on the Beamish & Crawford site, there's no way BAM would use the Sullivan's Quay site for student accommodation - it would definitely be a hotel. :-(



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭Deub


    Work has started on Kinsale road. It is the field between Lexus dealership and Ferrero entrance.

    They are clearing trees currently. I believe they are building 3 buildings that should have just over 130 units with some shops (if I read the planning permission correctly).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,583 ✭✭✭ofcork


    John cleary has bought the old apple office building on half moon street going to be refurbished and let.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 942 ✭✭✭DylanQuestion


    ^ I passed today and refurbishment has already started too - they don’t hang around! There is also a crane arriving on their site on Albert Quay



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,160 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    They also don't provide for pedestrians when they block off the footpath 😠



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,583 ✭✭✭ofcork


    I see the company that wants to build the custom house tower have applied for an extension of the planning.



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