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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Should have fecking joined it long ago, same as we should be investing more on ESA imo. But that doesn't change the fact we are dealing with the departments, paying out of their pocket to fund the DF instead of the UN…

    I can easily see them playing the retention crisis and the pending drawn down and keep the troops home, hell play it off as the first step of the 12 month plan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,885 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I disagree. They are turning out 2-stars to beat the band in Gormanston, who are quickly getting through the 3 star quals and needing experience.

    If we do end up with troops in the force protection units in Ukraine, and less likely in Gaza, there will need to be base of privates and NCOs who have at least one tour of overseas service under their belts, even if it comes in the form of a logistical wind-down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭sparky42


    And I'd agree and love to see it happen, however the reality is that we have seen time after time the three departments willing to have stand up arguments over what other departments would consider "petty cash" requests and issues. I can well imagine the three playing "not us gov, talk to the others" in circles until after the draw-down date, its not them that have to handle the situation on the ground with less people. They don't give a FU$K how it affects the DF's job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Are we realistically going to send troops to either Gaza or Ukraine? Those conflict zones would seem a bit to precarious for us, especially one where would get to conflict with Russian troops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,885 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Gaza, unlikely, but not impossible. Conflict with Israeli troops is a genuine concern.

    But not with Russians.

    If we send a battalion to Ukraine, it will be only after a ceasefire and territorial lines have been agreed. It will be part of a colossal international stabilisation force.

    And we will be in the rear with the gear, clearing minefields and operating as a force protection element, securing facilities, protecting both military and civilian staff in base areas. Maybe some logistics and SAR.

    The forward positions along the ceasefire line will be secured initially by elite units, followed by large elements of mechanised infantry and armour, with full air cover. We don't have that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,374 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I would hope you are right, but Russia was arming the eastern Ukrainian forces before they went in fully and those militants were shown to be very unpredictable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Those Eastern forces are all

    But depleted now and given Trumps flip flopping will likely be well behind any agreed “DMZ”. I mean we are still horribly ill equipped for either mission given the increased threats, but if it’s to be anywhere it should be Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Harris, don't even think about it, though I wouldn't be surprised if Israel veto'd us even if he was insane enough to jump.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/1024/1540453-gaza-israel/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭sparky42


    In AC news, an article on the proposed upgrades to Casement to increase the base capacity, also mentions that the ATC situation has been resolved and is back to 24/7 operations, and that Shannon will be the base for any future fighter operations if those ever happen.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025/10/29/120m-expansion-plan-for-casement-aerodrome-to-house-growing-air-corps-fleet/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,885 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Green shoots.

    While only small things, that sort of news, added to the NS getting 3 ships in the water for the foreseeable, are reasons for optimism.

    Hopefully the push continues.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭sparky42


    I guess apart from if there's capital investment at some stage, the other major telling will be if the Recruitment and Retention numbers stay high next year and afterwards, or whether this years reported highs are a blip. 2-3 years of sustained recruitment with Retention staying up would be great to see and move us from just "green shoots".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭Negative_G


    A very interesting question would be what exact level of ATC service is being provided.

    The language used is not reflective of reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    The works at Baldonnel are very necessary and very welcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,720 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Not a hope of Ireland being asked to participate in any way. When you jump up and down from the sidelines about one side or another ultimately you are not taken seriously and are not seen as an honest broker. You're just ignored. Our whole approach has been very amateurish from a diplomatic point of view. Small countries negotiate the world stage by the tact of their diplomacy. We failed in the last 3 years.

    The fact we will be frozen out of any resolution process whether peace keeping or political one would think would give the department of foreign affairs in particular a reason to reflect on things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    They have enoght staff on Paper. Of course that piece of Paper doesnt allow for Annual Leave. Training, Sickness, 40 hour working week, Taking a piss etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    https://share.google/QC7OaAtEnkoZJm5i2



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    Interesting item above from UKDJ. Maybe they might cut us a good deal on a couple of Arrowsmiths?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Something from Politico:

    https://www.politico.eu/article/anglo-irish-defense-union-catherine-connolly-ireland-military-security/

    I mean one major flaw in his argument would be the idea that the UK has the resources to spare to completely cover our arses, or the resources to expand the British military to do so, and if they don't, we're back to us slow rolling any defence investment making the article pointless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,759 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Well it says seven-day operations in the article but a poster above jumped to "24/7".

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,885 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    To be fair, in the various investment documents, it has been acknowledged that 'full staffing' equates to three full shifts of operational personnel and two full crews in the case of Naval ships.

    By the same token, a fighter interceptor squadron of 12 to 18 aircraft will need 60 to 80 trained pilots, instructors and RIOs



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    interesting views in the UK on police helicopters. AGS better home jack chambers dosent read the Article.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y4g285gdno.amp



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45 kenny80


    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025/11/03/naval-service-forced-to-hire-outside-contractors-to-service-weapons/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,885 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The Brits are broke, we aren't.

    There will be no argument here that the GASU hasn't been an excellent addition to the force.

    Though you would assume the next generation of fleet replacement, both fixed and rotary, will include increased UAV elements.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,885 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Whatever it takes.

    More people are coming through basic training, but getting them qualified as weapons techs and artificers will take longer. So if private contracting is needed to keep hulls in the water and fully operational in the meantime, so be it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,885 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    DP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,885 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    DP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Not directly connected to DF matters as such, but I wonder if any projects might benefit from DPER’s rules being altered?

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41736072.html
    Moving the threshold for oversight to €500 million from €200 million is a reasonable change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 639 ✭✭✭vswr


    It's not a case of being broke…. if you're paying X amount for something you have underused by 392 hours (nearly 2 and a half weeks of 24/7 flying) that you can't claim back… that needs to be looked at.

    Especially if something is already replacing it operationally. The police are setup differently in the UK compared to the Guards. Many forces have dedicated drone units, and drone regulations/processes of use are miles ahead of where Ireland is.

    This allows them to be used very effectively, instead of a helo



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,885 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Maybe, but the Public Spending Code still applies at all value levels, so it may not do very much in real terms.

    And I'm not saying thats a terrible thing, financial oversight should be stringent, but project management overall could be vastly improved at departmental and agency level outside of DPER.

    In terms of some of the big stuff in the military hopper, the G2G deals being mooted will short cut a lot of that auld guff anyway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,785 ✭✭✭sparky42


    If the G2G rumours come to anything of course.



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