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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Should have fecking joined it long ago, same as we should be investing more on ESA imo. But that doesn't change the fact we are dealing with the departments, paying out of their pocket to fund the DF instead of the UN…

    I can easily see them playing the retention crisis and the pending drawn down and keep the troops home, hell play it off as the first step of the 12 month plan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,771 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I disagree. They are turning out 2-stars to beat the band in Gormanston, who are quickly getting through the 3 star quals and needing experience.

    If we do end up with troops in the force protection units in Ukraine, and less likely in Gaza, there will need to be base of privates and NCOs who have at least one tour of overseas service under their belts, even if it comes in the form of a logistical wind-down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭sparky42


    And I'd agree and love to see it happen, however the reality is that we have seen time after time the three departments willing to have stand up arguments over what other departments would consider "petty cash" requests and issues. I can well imagine the three playing "not us gov, talk to the others" in circles until after the draw-down date, its not them that have to handle the situation on the ground with less people. They don't give a FU$K how it affects the DF's job.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Are we realistically going to send troops to either Gaza or Ukraine? Those conflict zones would seem a bit to precarious for us, especially one where would get to conflict with Russian troops.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,771 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Gaza, unlikely, but not impossible. Conflict with Israeli troops is a genuine concern.

    But not with Russians.

    If we send a battalion to Ukraine, it will be only after a ceasefire and territorial lines have been agreed. It will be part of a colossal international stabilisation force.

    And we will be in the rear with the gear, clearing minefields and operating as a force protection element, securing facilities, protecting both military and civilian staff in base areas. Maybe some logistics and SAR.

    The forward positions along the ceasefire line will be secured initially by elite units, followed by large elements of mechanised infantry and armour, with full air cover. We don't have that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,369 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I would hope you are right, but Russia was arming the eastern Ukrainian forces before they went in fully and those militants were shown to be very unpredictable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭sparky42


    Those Eastern forces are all

    But depleted now and given Trumps flip flopping will likely be well behind any agreed “DMZ”. I mean we are still horribly ill equipped for either mission given the increased threats, but if it’s to be anywhere it should be Ukraine.



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