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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Spoiled votes are part of the narrative around this election whether you want to admit it or not.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 624 ✭✭✭Coolcormack1979


    nearly 214,000 spoiled votes is astonishing.ffg ignored middle Ireland after the bs referendums of March 24 and pretended like they never happened.

    Fast forward to today and those same voters got up off their arse and said enough is enough.they and the media who are all bought off with 750€million to rte/pravda and no vat on newspapers can’t ignore this now.but no doubt they will try their best.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,818 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    People are reading way too much into this side of it.

    This election has had nothing to do with a United Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,438 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I don't know, she said she'd be a president for 'gach daoine, gach daoine', would have been a perfect time to go bilingual, throw in a 'for everybody' ... but she continued on in Irish, even speaking about and then directly to her opponent who she knows hasn't great Irish, and continued on…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,362 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    FFG we're re-elected after that referendum and the people who opposed it made little gain. So the electorate also ignored the referendum result.

    The ficticious silent majority will still be absent come the next general election.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I never it wasn't? In fact I said fair play to anyone who uses their democratic right in whichever way they choose.

    At the end of the day, what did it achieve? F*ck all, whether you want to admit it or not.

    I see you've conveniently dropped whatever point you were trying to make about Catherine Connolly's mandate as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Everyone can ignore it, because it made no difference whatsoever.

    By the time the next General Election rolls around, nobody will give a shite.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,713 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Yup, for ff n fg it's go woke , go broke for their core vote methinks. Hopefully we get a new centre right party in place for the next election. I'm done with either party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,438 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    FF voters who were dissatisfied with the referendums switched to FG as a protest. FG voters who were dissatisfied switched to FF, and so it goes…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,443 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I'd say a lot of it is migration. Regional towns and towns with cheaper property have attracted lower skilled migrants. This has resulted in massive demographic change and cultural shift. I suspect the original population is finding it hard to cope with this change.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,988 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    A mandate for what, though? The question still remains, can the left persuade Paddy to trust them with the quids? We have consistently preferred more conservative people at the wheel of actual government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    Total vote number is irrelevant when comparing across other elections as the population of the country has grown significantly over the years (60% increase in 30 years), bound to have a big number of votes compared to previous election as there are more people eligible to vote now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭corkie


    Posters still under the delusion that spoilt votes don't mean anything. Did people not learn from people boasting that they would just end up in the 'illiterate' pile and not be seen by anyone. I wonder did anyone spot their own ballot on the news display of some of them. Plus look at the people that broken the rules and shared photos on socials.

    As I have said these invalid ballots will be analyzed (by dept. of housing) in a few months time to try and determine the overall reason for them. If it is not already clear from the social media messages given from people who did so.

    ‘It’s two fingers to the political establishment’ – sheer volume of spoiled votes lays bare voter apathy ~ indo archive.ph

    • Dissatisfaction with the nomination process and the choice of official candidates became immediately clear from the sheer volume of spoiled votes.
    • It could set a record in a presidential election with early estimates putting the number of spoiled votes at around 12 or 13pc.

    Said before that the high number of invalid ballots is a clear signal to government that motions on nomination process, passed this week, need to be put to people in a referendum.

    So continue to stick your head in the sand, and ignore what they mean, you will proven wrong again in due coarse. No the invalid ballots did not have any effect on outcome of this election (except reduce quota to be elected). Only people objecting to people doing so, thought they had to state that over and over again.

    European reporting generally frames Connolly’s win as a symbolic moment for Ireland’s progressive politics, but the spoiled ballots have drawn as much commentary as her victory itself. Foreign correspondents have portrayed the high spoil rate as an expression of disillusionment within Irish democracy — not apathy, but protest. As one RFI analyst put it, the spoilt votes signalled that “Irish democracy remains engaged, if increasingly defiant.”

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    A mandate to be the First Citizen of the country and the gatekeeper of the Constitution.

    The point I'm making is, in spite of all the bruhaha over this election, Catherine Connolly has won more votes than any candidate in any election in the history of the State.

    The only difference the large number of spoils made was to turnout, and that's a good thing. But in terms of impact on the election? Nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    ..and the large number of spoiled votes had the exact same impact as it would in an election where there is a small number of spoils.

    Question for you. How many of Catherine Connolly's 914,143 votes would she have lost if all of those who spoiled their votes 1. stayed at home or 2. voted for someone else?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭gk5000


    CC is now my president even if I did not vote for her.

    Her opinions unless anodyne are possibly/probably divisive so would annoy or alienate a percentage of the population.
    (And her independent left opinions and Daly/Wallace traveling companions could annoy many people)

    Why do we want our president doing that? pissing off people, or pissing off any percentage of the population?

    It's easy to give MDH a fools pardon, his character allows it - harmless, quasi artistic/poetic, somewhat likeable and unique whereas she is much more astute, not particularly likeable, and cannot play his cards.

    And I have access to any number of opinions in the media already without her.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    I'll ask you the same question

    How many of Catherine Connolly's 914,143 votes would she have lost if all of those who spoiled their votes 1. stayed at home or 2. voted for someone else?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,704 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    The spoiled votes are being discussed by the media the party leaders and other high profile people in the parties will be asked questions about it, they'll have to take into consideration there was a significant protest vote.

    That was the point of the spoiled votes,were not supposed to impact the electio.

    I've never heard any discussion about the number of spoiled votes in any election before, there is a discussion about them now and what they mean now so it is having an impact.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,871 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Did Connolly get the highest % of valid first preference votes ever ?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth house?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,021 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Don't think I've ever seen a politician as happy to lose as Humphreys.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,818 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    A line of:

    'You can't keep everyone happy all of the time.'

    comes to mind.

    That's the thing with democracy, you need to mobilise more voters than the other guys. Get them out to vote for you. She's gotten more voters out to vote for her than any other person in the state and while it's still not even 25 percent of the total electorate, it's a considerable number.

    She won't be ruffling too many feathers, one way or a other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,651 ✭✭✭Fann Linn




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Of course it was going to be discussed. It will be discussed at length in all of the Sunday newspapers tomorrow and for a couple of days afterwards. Again I never said otherwise.

    However, bigger picture stuff, nobody will care in a week. That is the fact of the matter here. Spoiled votes count for nothing in an election. There won't be another Presidential election for another 7 years. This won't impact the General Election, or the Local/European Elections.

    Spoiled votes just helped to drive up turnout, which I have said already is a good thing, because it means people are at the very least expressing their democratic right.

    You seem to be disputing points I never made.

    How many votes would Connolly have lost if everyone who spoiled their votes decided to stay at home or vote for someone else? None, because at the end of the day they're just put to the side and no consideration is given to them.

    If you think this will lead to a ground swell of changes, then you've been duped, I'm afraid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Not having a go at you Larbre but you I think posted that all your evidence pointed to HH winning by 60 40 did you really believe that or was it just wishful thinking?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭gk5000


    She's at it already….in her victory speech.

    "who builds on the policy of neutrality".

    That is government policy and not a constitutional policy, so she should keep out of it.

    We should not allow ourselves to be tied by the impotence of the UN, which governs the triple lock.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    There is a potential risk here for FFG. Some of that spoiled vote could be the basis for a new political party.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,443 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    I think that's a naive take. Spoiled votes have identified a significant cohort of politically engaged citizens (engaged enough to go and vote) but choose to not cast a valid ballot. This means that there is a pool of real voters there that are homeless and to be mined for votes.

    The thing is the established parties have known for a long time that the space where these voters are has not been occupied by any political party. Someone will move in and make hay. There's 10 or more seats there for the taking



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭jmcc


    No they were not. FF and FG didn't get enough seats to form a government. FFG had to do a grubby deal with Lowry to get back into government. The number of spoiled votes indicates that there is a lot of voter anger.

    Regards…jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,983 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    While I'm disappointed that there were only three, and then two candidates I don't believe the nomination process itself is the root cause.

    20 members of the Oireachtas or four county council nominations is not an unduly high bar, in my view, and it hasn't been a bar previously to this election either. Wasn't there eight candidates in 2018? (Edit: actually 6 in 2018, 7 in 2011)

    I think if you lower the bar much below than what it currently is, then the chance of completely unsuited people running rises significantly. I think it's about right as it is, even if that's probably not a popular opinion now.

    The fact is there wasn't many credible independent candidates who put themselves forward. Maria Steen for all of the talk of her in the media represents a very particular faction of the voting public and also didn't start to kick a campaign into gear until extremely late in the day - I don't have a lot of sympathy there tbh.

    The truth is there's not that many independents out there who could do it. Not many people want to put themselves through a very personal and gruelling campaign and the political parties, increasingly, view it as a bit more trouble than it's worth.

    The presidency obviously has importance, but this is the heat of the moment. Opinions about the presidential election process are strong right now - watch them quickly disappear for the next seven years.

    A lot of the hot air flying about at the moment and a lot of things that are top of mind right now will be largely forgotten about pretty quickly once the normal cut and thrust of political life resumes.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 34,753 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Aye and they did great in the general elections too.

    Oh wait...



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