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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,701 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    Delighted to see SH and MM with egg on their faces after this result they must regret now not having one two more candidates in the field which proberly would have transferred to HH to help her a bit that and a budget that most felt gave nothing to the ordinary working person did her no favours .Had to laugh hearing useless Helen on the radio saying they didn't run a negative campaign .



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,406 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    yep, in an election with N candidates, there's zero difference in going all the way to N in your preferences, and in going to N-1. voting to 13 in a 14 candidate election is in theoretical terms, a very clear statement of preference, and in practical terms, the vote transference will be identical anyway.

    that said, i often vote to the end, especially in elections with more candidates. i sometimes vote 1 to 5 say, and then from 14 back to 9 as i might also have a clear 'favourite' to get my last vote, and then fill in the middle.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,433 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    In your opinion, which is totally wrong of course.

    You just don't understand it if you think it's dead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Current State of play is CC 64%, HH 29%. Spoiled votes 13%

    CCs weakest constituency in Cork is Cork NW at 50%. She's on 61% in Cork East, 64% in Cork SC (MMs constituency).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,412 ✭✭✭corkie


    @liamtech The spoiled votes will be claimed by obvious bad actors, but I dont view this as correct on their part.

    Just catching up on the thread now. Declan Gangley was on radio 1 just now, and made no such statements on it and that group of leaders have constantly said it was grassroots campaign with no one group owning the cause. Just a common shared goal.

    Note: - As I said before I don't endorse any of the leaders from the campaign.

    What came to mind during the lead up to the vote, was the amount of posters here against spoiling, I can understand the Media and politicians been against doing so.

    @supereurope I spoiled my vote and I like most people who probably have not heard of 'Ave' Maria, until a month ago. No way do I see my support for spoiling as been a part of that group of people. I was promoting a Spoil your vote since 24 Sept and was my own conclusion and wasn't at that stage me following an online trend.

    Yes some individual groups may try and claim credit for the campaign but the reasons for it where varied and no one group can claim over all credit for the result.

    I'm Glad to see CC getting through over HH. But I didn't want to give either a preference.

    Post edited by corkie on

    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." ~ George Santayana
    "But that's balanced out by the fact that it's a mandate not to do very much." ~ Prof. Eoin O'Malley



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 55,406 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i would be more worried about them chasing the for the votes of the voters who didn't vote, than i'd expect them to chase the votes of those who voted for CC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    RTE interrupted him too much.

    Wexford so far CC 59%, HH 28%, JG 6%, 13% spoiled votes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,089 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Turnout well under 50% in Dublin and of those who could be bothered 13% spoiled their votes.

    Lack of choice and awful candidates and that's what you get. Most people felt no candidate was a choice for them.

    We end up with the worst presidential pick in the history of the state who will now go on to embarrass us far more than Higgins even managed.

    This is the best Ireland can come with apparently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭gk5000


    Please inform how MDH got around the constitution which requires his addresses to be approved by Government.

    And, why do you want MDH or CC to spout their personal opinions, and what does it achieve?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,177 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    I enjoyed when mdh kept the government in check and I hope Catherine does the same



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Find the McDowell piece, he explains how it isn't unconstitutional in certain instances.

    And in answer to the second part, I don't fear different opinions and I think it is healthy to hear opposite views. Having them made by a President gives them more weight. I'm ok with that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭supereurope


    Very annoyed to see several posters on here or in the media today freely use the word "rigged" as regards to yesterday's vote.

    It wasn't rigged. "Rigged" is just the word they're using for "My preferred candidate didn't get nominated."

    Very disturbing, and sad, to see people try to delegitimise the election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,651 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Although turnout is slightly lower than 2018 apparently, she has still garnered far more votes according to RTE1.

    I'm really delighted with her election and the mess it leaves FFG with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,433 ✭✭✭Dr Robert


    Who is saying it was rigged? Social media doesn't count.

    Absolute morons if it's real people saying it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,651 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Ganley was crying earlier about it being rigged ☺️ plus he was also trying to claim all the Jim Gavin votes as being part of the 'spoilt' brigade too. The tears from these clowns is just the added cherry on top of this election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,781 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    What mess does it leave us with?

    Please explain with specifics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 950 ✭✭✭gk5000


    You quoted him so please send the link.

    So should the president have a monthly column or TV slot to air their opinions?
    Where do they stop - like is it ok for the president to advocate her ideas as opposed to the elected governments?
    Should she tell us to keep the triple lock, what percent of GDP on defence or who we should vote for?

    If Steen was in would it be ok if she told us to abstain and go to Mass?

    To me and the constitution the president is above politics and should keep stum, which I hope she shall now do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,781 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I'd be obliged if you could expand on what you mean by that, and offer some examples.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    The election was as per the rules. But the process of getting on the ballot is too restrictive and we need a referendum to modernise this 88 year old system.

    Polls during the campaign showed 55% wanted the nomination processed reformed.

    The de jure position is not a justification for keeping it as it is. Otherwise we wouldnt have referendums on anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,386 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Hardly…….if you read up on Cearbhall Ó'Dálaigh, he seemed a petulant oddball. Garret Fitzgerald said of him: "He was a very odd man, eccentric; totally unsuited to be president, but the media were fully behind him" and felt it was likely he would always resign.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,651 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    For starters, the fall back from leaving Sean Kelly and Kelleher on the sidelines. The fact that FG couldn't get their own vote out less alone convince anyone else.

    But tbh, I've really no inclination debating with a blueshirt who less than 24 hours ago was creaming them self at the thoughts of 'middle class Ireland ' getting the vote out across the country and HH romping home.

    #deluded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,362 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It wasn't a problem the last two elections.

    It's only a problem now because a no hoper who is the darling of a certain angry, perennially outraged, victimhood loving vocal minority didn't get a chance to spread her hate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,177 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    I can spot a hermes handbag now though, although thankfully the Mrs doesn't want one



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,172 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    14.7% spoiled votes in my constituency says alot about the choice on offer in this election imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79,468 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    There were about 5 candidates then. We've never seen this kind of whipping of councillors before to stop more candudates getting on the ballot. Enda Kenny didnt do it in 2011.

    The reality is they were afraid candidates would do well.

    Edit: Personally I might not have voted for Steen as I dont support the Catholic Right. But excluding people from the ballot who have a lot of support just feels wrong.

    Even SF are criticising what FG did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭supereurope


    Exactly - I meant to keep count of how many times he used the word rigged, he said it at least three times.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,781 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    No, you said Michael D. Higgins "kept the government in check", nothing about saying what he wanted to say.

    The definition of keeping someone in check, taken from the game of Chess, is to stop or limit what they are doing.

    I'm not responsible for your words. If you want to withdraw the claim that MDH "kept the government in check", then do so.

    Otherwise please offer examples of where his words or deeds stopped, limited or altered something the government was doing.

    Post edited by Larbre34 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭Caquas


    Googled that for ya!

    https://www.michaelmcdowell.ie/president-is-not-bound-to-silence/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

    It is a rather unsatisfactory piece, giving with one hand what it took away with the other. And, as always with McDowell, don't forget who he believes should by birthright and natural ability be the President. I'm sure Maria Steen knows by now😛

    On the one hand he says

    The President must, however, receive the prior approval of the Government for any formal address or message to the Houses of the Oireachtas on any matter of national or public importance or to address a message to the nation on any such matter.

    It follows that the President should not attempt to communicate messages to the nation on matters of national or public importance without the express or implied approval of the Government. He has solemnly undertaken not to do so.

    But then it goes on to argue that the President does have a certain level of freedom of speech.

    Does that mean that he is sworn to silence on all matters of public interest unless he has Government approval for the expression of his personal opinion or belief? I don’t think so.

    Indeed, I welcome the major contribution made by the President to the recent centenary celebrations and commemorations of the 1916 Rising, the Great War and the establishment of Dáil Éireann.  

    I look forward to his similarly thoughtful expression of his own take on the War of Independence, the Treaty negotiations and the Civil War in due course.  

    He was elected by the people partly, if not mainly, on the basis of his personal talents to play a leading role in the national discussion of such issues and events.  

    To take an example, it would be very strange indeed if a speech by President Higgins on the Civil War depended for its content on whether it reflected the views of a government led by Fine Gael or Fianna Fail in 2022.  Frankly, there would be plenty of opportunity for the Taoiseach and the leader of the opposition in two years time to express their own views on matters such as, say, the Civil War.  

    While I am sure that the President would take pains to speak on issues with care and consideration, I would be disappointed if I felt that every word he spoke on the subject had been handed to him from government for recitation to the people. 

    No one believes the President should be a mouthpiece for the Government. But it would be absurd to think that the Constitution has a special provision (Art. 13.7) for the President to make a formal address to the Oireachtas or the Nation but has destroyed its value to the President by making this the sole case where Government approval is required.

    Imagine we had a grown-up debate on the Presidential election. Not the kind of nonsense we have just witnessed. A debate where candidates were asked whether they would respect the Constitutional limits and what limits did they believe applied to Presidential speech. I would have some questions for the candidates:

    • Can the President criticise the Government publicly?
    • Will you ever make an address to the Oireachtas or Nation on a matter of national importance under Article 14.7?
    • If so, will you submit your address for Government approval?
    • Will you communicate with foreign Heads of State without Government approval?
    • Would the President be a hypocrite to criticise the government but always doing its bidding?

    Instead we had endless boring debates where journalists couldn't even pin down an anti-EU, anti-American, pro-Brexiteer who hired a convicted gangster as her Parliamentary assistant and who went as a guest of the Assad regime while it was massacring its own people.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,362 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Have a look at the history of presidential elections if you think we never had this before.

    You are gonna get a shock when you hear about the times the government elected a president with no public vote.

    There was loads of people could have backed people like Steen outside the big two. They didn't because she is scum.

    Don't know how she could do the job anyway while also being in the kitchen where she thinks women belong.



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