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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 156 ✭✭Itchyfeet89


    Glasnevin Avenue which used have the 9 bus into city centre now only has the N4 bus to Blanchardstown so city centre is not directly served anymore. This is absolutely ridiculous. Lots of elderly residents living on Willow Park Road/ Willlow Park Avenue/ Beneavin Park/ Pinewood etc and must now walk 20 mins to Ballymun Road to get a bus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭Daith


    The N4 goes to the 3 Arena but yes it's not City Centre.

    They don't have to go to Ballymun Road, they can get the 23 or 24 which aren't 20 mins walk away but you could be waiting 20 mins.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,292 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Why would anyone be walking 20 minutes?

    The 19 serves the eastern end of Ballymun Avenue and Hillcrest and goes through the heart of the city centre.

    The 23 and 24 provide services crossing different parts of Glasnevin Avenue and can be used to connect with the E1 & E2 in Phibsborough.

    Similarly people can take the N4 to the stop just after the junction with Ballymun Road and switch to the E1 and E2 there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    They don't have to walk 20 min to get a bus. They can simply get to E or F spine and continue to town. Very simple.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 Cabo86


    Dublin Bus don't operate this route anymore so maybe the communication here should come from the new operator..Go-ahead Ireland. Ultimately though, the responsibility for this surely lies with NTA/TFI.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 75 ✭✭hfjm20


    Saw a video on TikTok earlier, a woman complaining that the 82 has made her route to work go from 40 mins to an hour and a half. She mentions how the bus goes in and out of housing estates but I thought was a core part of busconnects’ plan to stop the convoluted routes weaving in and out of these estates? Also complains about the massive amount of stops with comments all agreeing with her. I know positive changes rarely get talked about like negative changes but this change has really seemed to inconvenience some people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    good news for people waiting on the O. I just wish the O was prioritised over the spines, it is the most important route in the bus connects scheme. Disappointing that there's been no effort to sort the signalling issue on Heuston Bridge. Are we to take it that the technical issues with batteries are now resolved?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,822 ✭✭✭jd




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    This wouldn't be too bad if we had functional real time, people could plan their journeys but we don't and looks like we wont for the a while despite the money spent on upgrading the system with no results.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    looks like we have the 23, 24 and 19 bisecting Glasnevin Avenue at near even spacing, seems reasonable. Provided of course those buses turn up and have functioning realtime information.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 Paul_798


    The 82 is much lower frequency than the southside 83 was but if goes much further out of town.

    If she rides the 82 all the way from the end it will be much slower but the point is to change to 15A or F2 around Limekiln/ Rossmore, F3/S4 at Ashleaf etc.

    It takes time for people to work out how to use the new network and the info from NTA is very poor.

    There is virtually no info on the interaction between the new routes and the existing network and I don't think there is a map of the bus network in Dublin which is a pretty basic requirement for the NTA to maintain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,269 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Batteries aside, the S2 and N2 could be rerouted to their original routes, no need to wait for the O if the signalling was done. And it needs to be done at both ends of Steevens Lane, both ends of Sean Heuston bridge, and turn filters put in at Infirmary Road. this also needs to tie into the LUAS signalling and all needs to be deconflicted with trams. This work is sitting out there to be done and doesn't depend on any garage charging enablement. That it has NOT been done is telling in its own right.

    I am idly wondering how a bus waiting at Sean Heuston bridge waiting to turn left onto Parkgate will initiate a bus priority signal like the tram does , another part of me is wondering where the stop for the O will be at Heuston north and south bounds cos it looks like a hairy turn for northbound Os into what is currently a oneway the other direction in front of the railway station



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭Daith


    If you look at the above map, there are definitely elderly people along Wellmount Avenue and other areas in Finglas that have a fair walk for a bus

    Sorry, understand the removal of a bus route on the Beneavin Road is a pain, but there are a variety of routes close by



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,292 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Just to explain this - the Spine routes, the core part of the new network, can go through housing estates at the outer ends of the routes, before they join together to form the Spine taking a direct route to, and through, the city centre.

    The radial routes, of which the 82 is one, are there to provide extra capacity and extra connectivity to the city centre, and they certainly can and do go through housing estates.

    These routes will provide much needed connections between the different orbital routes that they cross along the way into the city, and also between different communities.

    If there one lesson that was learnt after the first iteration of BusConnects was published, that is that communities were not going to accept the bus service being removed from their local areas. So yes buses will most certainly still serve estates.

    You can see the final planned network here:

    https://busconnects.ie/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/A3-Big-Picture-Map-02.10.25_V2.pdf

    Red routes are spines, light blue are orbitals, dark blue are radials and green are local routes.

    The 82 is a bit like the 74 - it is not designed for someone to use end to end, but rather to connect communities and to connect with other routes along the way.

    Without knowing what someone's individual commute is, it's impossible to offer an informed comment on the length of what that should be, but I suspect that, as someone else suggested, they ought to be changing mid-route to the likes of the 15a or F2.

    It takes time for these sorts of things to filter down to people on the ground, but it is not being helped right now by the significant scheduling errors that were made and need to be resolved - they are the principal cause of all the long gaps and cancelled / partially cancelled services.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    Anyone could use Google Maps or Transit apps to find the quickest journey. People are just not used to the changes and lack enthusiasm to learn about the new routes themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,292 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    As far as next phases are concerned, between all of the issues from staffing, vehicles and funding, I suspect that you won't be seeing any further phase rolling out until this time next year at the earliest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 299 ✭✭Stephen Gawking


    The F spine routes seem to be performing very poorly at least in Finglas, sending them down Whitworth road is a retrograde step in my opinion. Anyone know how the 82 is performing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,269 ✭✭✭trellheim


    whats the serious alternative to Whitworth road to get to CC to and from Finglas ? Griffith Avenue and Collins Avenue will just run smack into Drumcondra and Swords Road traffic and leave a huge swathe of housing unserved



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,064 ✭✭✭SimonMaher


    The 82 is my local route in Kiltipper and it hasn't had an easy first week.

    Today was the first day that any bus made it up to Marlfield between 9 and 10 in the morning which is round about an 80% failure rate for the week. A snapshot just now (3pm) shows the buses at the Tallaght end between 20 and 45 minutes late on the road which will inevitably lead to more cancelations/partial cancelations as the day goes on. As LXFlyer rightly says, this is mainly down to awful scheduling and impossible running times.

    I get the idea about switching to cut out the meandering of the 82 as a radial but you have to be able to rely on the service at the outer edges or you're leaving people stranded at stops for upwards of an hour and that's just not good enough.

    Having the first weeks of the service so poor damages confidence in the long term. If passengers, particularly those at stops not served by an alternative feel there is a decent chance they will be let down again then they will quite rightly lose trust.

    Simon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,818 ✭✭✭john boye


    I got it today for first time, driver was saying the one ahead of him had broken down so that won't have helped either.

    It's quite a useful route for me personally but even on a short enough trip today it hit heavy traffic in a good few locations. It would have been already a bit behind schedule when I was getting off and it still had a long way to go.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,568 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    The 24 just pulled into the wrong bay at the airport, and no one at the right stop except me seems to have noticed.

    EDIT: the driver has gone to the right stop to tell people but has left the carriage empty and the bus running.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,292 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    To be honest - buses are running significantly late all over the city today.

    An election day always creates a lot of extra traffic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭VG31


    The typical GoAhead routine of running their new route at the expense of other routes has started.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 Paul_798


    On the northbound F spine my impression is that a lot of the buses are entering the spine at KCR at roughly the same time leading to a worse service than the 9 did but using more buses.

    If they are bunched at the start of the spine then they're guaranteed to get even more bunched up as they progress along.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,818 ✭✭✭john boye


    Yeah it does seem worse than normal. Having it on the Friday of a bank holiday weekend isn't helping either.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,622 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    It isnt direct though. It now requires a change to a second bus. The OP said the direct link with city centre is removed and that is true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,622 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    This is the problem.

    Buses dont run reliably so the connections are not reliable.

    People then dont want to change. Its not like the underground in Paris or London where changing is a no brainer.

    Its hard to see the final busconnects roll out being a success as the snarl of traffic will continue to worsen as we move through the phases.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭Burt Renaults


    It's Friday evening, so a lot of those cancellations will be traffic related. Check again in an hour or two, when traffic-related delays and curtailments would ordinarily have subsided. They're definitely doing a better job than they did back in January/February, the last time they got new routes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,638 ✭✭✭VG31


    5 buses cancelled in a row is completely inexcusable. That can't be blamed on Friday afternoon traffic. It's definitely due to driver and/or bus shortages.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,622 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Yep.

    Friday afternoon traffic is friday afternoon traffic. It happens every friday.

    The network has to be able to cope with the regular occurence of traffic.



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