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What’s your most controversial opinion? **Read OP** **Mod Warning in Post #8023**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,671 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Other countries are rightly reducing the amount of money they give to countries who can't or won't get their act together but the clowns running this country are increasing it.

    And yet they say there was no money in the budget to help the Irish people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    While altruism exists, a small number disguise self-interest in feigned altruism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,380 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Ah, that's a first year undergrad philosophy question. Does altruism really exist? Can doing the right thing be altruistic if you get pleasure from doing the right thing? Are you just doing nit for your own pleasure?

    Doesn't really matter in the end. Decent people do the right thing, assholes tear them down for doing the right ting. Simple enough



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Well the financial scandals in some charities would be an example of what I refer to.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,704 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    If Ed Gein's crimes came to light in today's society, there'd be some weirdos that would give him the benefit of doubt because he had a thing for cross-dressing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,074 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    2/10



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 14,013 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    The charity sector is full of people who are in it to look good and "caring" when in reality they are deeply unpleasant and selfish individuals themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,006 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    And for some its a gateway into electoral politics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭dinorebel


    Probably not that controversial - whoever is elected president is absolutely irrelevant to 90% of people



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 14,013 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Mod:-

    Thread is being derailed by a predictable tit-for-tat row over abortion.

    This thread is NOT the appropriate forum for this as there are many existing threads over on Current Affairs on this topic already. Do not bring this topic up again on this thread or bans and closure of this thread will ensue.

    JK



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,144 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    To which thread have the posts been moved?

    Simon Harris is monitoring the situation...



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 14,013 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    They haven't been moved. They have been deleted from the thread.

    Any further mention of abortion on this thread will result in a thread ban for the offending party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭randd1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭randd1


    There is the other side of things to that; the soft power it gives Ireland.

    In general, we're respected on the world stage. Our soldiers in the UN are often commended by various parties as being fair, which helps us in the UN. It does open up opportunities for businesses in Ireland.

    We definitely do give out more than we need to (for example, we don't need to give India money, they have a space programme so they don't need our cash) and we do need to really scrutinize what we give away more, but there is some benefit to us offering aid to other countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,074 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,573 ✭✭✭randd1


    It's a symbiotic partnership more than anything, in my view. The capitalist side of things funds the socialist side of things via taxes and wealth, and the socialist side of things takes care of the health, education, welfare and infrastructure that drives the capitalist side of things. Neither dominates too much, and we're better off overall as a result.

    You can get much richer but have far deeper pitfalls using the American hyper-capitalism model, or be more equal using the Chinese model under a far more repressive societal structure that limit your rights and freedoms.

    I think Europe get it just about right in the main (though not without problems) by keeping one side of things driving the other. And in all honesty because of this, European social democracy is the best system of large scale governance in terms of a mix of personal freedom, societal supports and entrepreneurship and enterprise the world has seen to date.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,567 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    If anything, China is more hyper-capitalist than even the US.

    The US doesn't have much in terms of a social safety net or public healthcare, but China has basically nothing.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    SPOIL YOUR VOTE


    RTE should follow MTV and close down it's radio channels too. And shut down RTE YouTube and Facebook x etcetera.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,074 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    I still think people who support more welfare and those who oppose it both incorrectly use the term socialism wrong. I think words matter if we are going to talk about serious issues. Countries that have implemented socialism have turned into hell holes, take Cuba for example. Many student type defenders of it will try say it’s because the US won’t deal with it, but that’s a massive admission that it’s a failure, you can’t have a state that set up a regime as the direct opposite of capitalism and then blame it’s short falls on capitalists not wanting to deal with it (by the way the Cuba embargo is ridiculous).

    There is a quote attributed to Winston Churchill: Democracy is the worse system of governance, apart from all the rest.

    That is my attitude to capitalism, along with many aspect of western society.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,380 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yeah The embargo of Cuba is ridiculous. And it goes for the other countries that tried to nationalise resources and were invaded by capitalist countries, rulers overthrown or murdered and replaced by often brutal dictators who would sell the resources cheaply. Then point at the country and say socialism worked out poorly.

    That's not really a critique of socialism itself though. That's capitalism's reaction to destroy the possibility of socialism and then say it failed. Would you say capitalism ruined the country that now has a brutal capitalist dictator, or is that the deposed socialist's fault?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 499 ✭✭New Scottman


    Foxhunting is cruel but it's the dogs who do the killing - so effectively they're the problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    SPOIL YOUR VOTE


    Andrew Windsor ( formerly 'Prince' ) should share the same prison cell as Tyler Robinson in the US. They'd get on like a house on fire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 randomcorkman


    It's amazing how much attention he gets while an adjudicated rapist is president of the USA. When was the last time you heard that mentioned? Even his opponents don't remind people regularly that he's a rapist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,380 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Nitpicking, but he's still a Prince. He is a Prince by birth. The other titles, like Duke of York, were given to him and they're the titles he gave up.

    I like that he can't have his Prince title removed just because hes a sex abuser*. It shows the absurdity of monarchy and inherited title.

    *it could be removed by an act of Parliament.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,444 ✭✭✭Morag


    RISUG Should be mandatory for all men from the age of 17 onwards.
    Its a contraceptive with zero side effects, lasts 10 years and is easily reversible when they want to father a kid.

    The fathers of teenage mother's pregnancies are men in their early 20s, so it would be a social good and a money saver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,261 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    I think you've got that wrong. Technically he's still the Duke of York, he's just not going to use that title anymore. That title was bestowed on him by the Queen (through an act of parliament?) and can be revoked through an act of parliament, with the assent of the King.

    I don't think they can remove his title as prince, or it might cause issues with the wider royal family if they tried...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,380 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    Yep, I googled to check and you're right. He still has the titles, just choosing not to use them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,261 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    When was the last time you heard that mentioned?

    It's every day on here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,085 ✭✭✭Cordell


    Good one, shows potential. Tell us, how do you feel about mandatory sterilization of the undesirables? And maybe later we can discuss about, let's say, special showering facilities.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 randomcorkman


    I don't see it. But it should be. The so called leader of the free world was found by a jury to have raped a woman. Inconceivable, as Vizzini was fond of saying.



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