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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,627 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I know all that but I also commend Michael D Higgins for speaking up when he felt the need. Re housing, homelessness, Gaza etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,782 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    dont know how you think its effectively between gavin/hh. Connolly is the outsider of the three but by very very little is the most articulate of them by a country mile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,051 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    If you are ruling Gavin out on the basis that he didn't close a farmyard gate, I am not sure that you are taking the election that seriously.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭✭Hoboo


    You must have missed this part…

    ”Haven't seen a single shred of evidence via the few bits I've seen on the media that says Gavin would be a great diplomat. But then we havent seen much of Jimbo at all really so who knows. 

    I won't be voting for him in any case. Don't like the way he was selected, or any appearance I've seen of him since.”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,309 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    What else have we got to go on?

    In any case, it will be the dullest election possible. At least if Steen was in there there'd be a bit of fizz about as the media went after her. Some of the pol corrs had barely concealed contempt for her and she wasn't even on the ballot.

    Id normally make my plans around voting so I could ensure I'm available to cast my ballot. For the first time I don't feel engaged enough to bother to do that. If I'm around I will but I won't be changing plans to do so.

    Odds on for the lowest ever turn out?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,018 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Nortk Korea?

    I could list another 60 or more but you get the drift.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,051 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I would guess yes, that it will be the lowest turn out. There is already a problem with the electoral register containing many people who have moved and not been removed, that is a problem that increases every year, a job of work needs to be done on that.

    When you add the small number of candidates to that problem, I think you will see the lowest turnout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,075 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I think you are overplaying your imprortance to this world. Deep breathes and all that. From the sound of things you seem to have been wrapped in a lot of social media stuff. Maybe you are young I don't know? But the only "social media" I use is this. And informative videos on films/tv series history etc on you tube, Not into x/twitter, instagram, facebook/meta or whatever they call it now.

    You seem very "culture war" orientated which to me is a very American thing in itself, part of which is driven by a man Trump whom you have previously mentioned. But it works both ways

    I view "culture wars" as an American creation. I am more interested in Ireland first and foremost. And Ireland has its own unique blend of cultures and beliefs. And besides the housing problem and obesity issue it is not doing too badly. Punching above it's weight (to pardon the pun) through soft power in the EU etc.

    As President Higgins said in his 2018 inkguration speech -

    "I will, I have emphasised, be a President for all of the Irish people, wherever they may be and in whatever circumstances, those who supported me and those who were not among that number. Táim i ndáiríre nuair a deirim gur mian liom bheith i’m Uachtarán don phobal uile."

    I think that is all anyone can hope for in the President of Ireland. As that is fundamentally their role in the office.

    But as for the Presidential Nomination Process, I believe the quote from Evelyn Beatrice Hall sums it up best - "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

    As it is up to the Irish elected representatives to uphold democracy and the democratic process as they are a reflection of the Irish electorate. The Irish electorate does not include just the parts myself or yourself like but they include everyone who is eligible to vote in this country.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Because I think her pathway to victory is incredibly narrow in the 3 Horse race it now is. That's just the practical maths of it.

    As I said in an earlier post , she either wins on the 1st count or I think she's toast - The transfers just aren't there for her.

    And nothing we've seen thus far suggests she is capable for getting ~50% of the 1st preferences.

    That might change of course , the other two might implode spectacularly at some point , but she'd need both of them to implode.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭rdser


    Didn't mention the gate at all. I said the im from Clare schtick.…and as an actual Clare person… Jim is not from Clare, no matter the spin he put on it, or how many summers he spent here

    As for the farm video, which I mentioned it was the most fake forced load of tripe I've watched in years to try convince us he is of a rural background...he's not. He looked ridiculous (never mind the white trousers), he looked like a man that bought a "rural" outfit from the Barbour outlet in kildare village and someone let him off to sell the idea he was somehow a rural man. Give me a break. No, no and more no.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,075 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Nobody mentioned that Gavin wore a white pair of trousers in rural Ireland…isn't that worse. The wellies were brand new as well.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Yes because Netanyahu (along with Yoav Gallant, Yahya Sinwar, and Ismail Haniyeh) are all part of an ICJ arrest warrant so they have to be arrested as soon as they enter the country

    It's also highly unlikely that should Maria Steen have become president she would have to sign off on abortion or marriage equality legislation but if it came before her she would have to. I'm not sure if she or her voters would be aware of that mind

    The presidents power is so limited that I would expect either of the 3 remaining candidates to be an excellent president. That's why I recommend that people vote on previous record rather than current or future promises



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,782 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Transfers in a presidential election are not that predictable especially with someone like Gavin in their. if he is first gone his transfers could go anywhere as a lot of his vote will be on his GAA background. will be interesting but i think connolly could do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,627 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I said exactly that before. It was the most contrived fakery I have ever seen. It was so bad it made me laugh.

    Will definitely be shown on Reeling in the Years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,075 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    It was a bit Alan Partridge alright. Gavin won't rock the boat , neither will Humphreys. Connolly will be full steam ahead, or maybe more akin to a Currach with an onboard jet engine….

    But I am in agreement with you I don't like the way Gavin was nominated . Shrewd move by Martin if Gavin wins. But it doesn't sit right with me. Seems like a bit of a late in the day "stroke".

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,581 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    It's also highly unlikely that should Maria Steen have become president she would have to sign off on abortion or marriage equality legislation

    Same-sex marriage seems to be done & dusted but abortion legislation is a realistic prospect over the next presidential term. there's a review of current legislation a number of years overdue at this stage and pressure from the usual quarters for further liberalisation, particularly in abolishing the three-day waiting period which I'm pretty sure would require legislation.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    You could be right , but as I said , if Connolly is sitting at anything less than 46/47% of 1st preference I'm not sure she can make it.

    Let's imagine a scenario where Connolly is on 42/43% , HH is on 34/35% and Gavin is sitting on something like 22/23%

    Does Connolly pick up 35/40% of Gavins transfers?

    Maybe , but it's a serious stretch…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,823 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    You could potentially have a large Dublin vote for their "hero" who then go party lines with SD,Labour or SF but it's hard to see Gavin and Humphries not being transfer friendly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,823 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It had a very Reeling in the Years look. Trying to evoke politicians of old with the coming out the gate for a chat to the camera.

    Mostly though it reminds me of the Fine Gael gentry farmer from Hall's Pictorial.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Very true on all accounts. Might have been worth seeing Steen in the Áras just so we can watch her being forced to do something she really doesn't want to because I'd have full confidence the other 3 candidates wouldn't shy away from such a thing



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,051 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The only way this election gets interesting is if Connolly finishes third and the other two are close in first and second.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,550 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Gemma was well off the rails by early 2018 and yes this was known to anyone who had been paying attention

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Well , if Connolly is the one to get eliminated at the 1st count , it's certainly very much up in the air as to where her transfers might go.

    Neither of the are an obvious second choice for what you'd imagine a typical Connolly voter looks like.

    It's probable that quite a few of her votes won't have a valid transfer so if she goes out first it's not at all improbable that the eventual winner might not reach the 50.1% for overall majority.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,751 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    There isn't a snowballs chance in hell that Connolly will be next or near 43% of FPs

    Her ceiling for FPs is 30. On a good day.

    I think it'll be about 40, 35, 25. With the better campaign of Gavin and Humphreys being in 1st position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,051 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    That would be perfect. "Not my President" would start trending among those that don't understand the election process.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,823 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    If Connolly goes first I think her vote splits fairly even and whoever got most first preference wins it.

    Gavin will probably be more transferable because he is less tainted by government and will have more "home county" votes but it won't be significant. Non transferable will be the big winner as you say.

    The debates could be very important this time round because there are lots of undecided 1sts but a huge undecided 2nd preference cohort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,581 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Neither of the are an obvious second choice for what you'd imagine a typical Connolly voter looks like.

    My hunch is that the softer end of her support would lean towards Heather for simplistic identity reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,997 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Willie O'Dea isn't someone you should bad mouth.

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    I fail to understand why people are saying candidate X wouldn't be a good president because they aren't good at Y.

    Being good at anything is not a requirement for our presidency. Apart from keeping your mouth shut and doing what you're told.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,585 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I didn't hear her talking up Israel. When did that happen?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭rdser


    Are you basing that on their current campaigns?

    Wouldnt rate Jim Gavin's campaign at all right now. It has been poor at best. Dumb videos, being chaperoned by MM and the "social media people are at me" from yesterday, Not particularly impressive.

    FG seem to have gone for marketing Heather like a bottle of perfume .and its also quite poor so far…Could only laugh at the branding at the ploughing recently. Came across very "fur coat no knickers" style of campaign, but whatever spins yer yoyo.



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