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Presidential Election 2025

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,831 ✭✭✭✭dulpit


    On your second point, the voting system would have just sent those votes back to FF or FG candidate when Steen would have invariably been eliminated first.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,160 ✭✭✭Hibernicis




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Polling had her at 3%.

    That's not a "significant" anything, minority or otherwise.

    And ~3% is about where the various right wing candidates landed in the last few elections as well.

    So perhaps they should focus on actually building support instead of moaning on Social media about the apparent lack of democracy somehow blocking their rise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,675 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Maybe the right should have put better candidates forward?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭rdser


    Worst list of candidates ever..

    Retired/not retired if it's a cushy number "Heather"

    I was good at football and stuff "Jim Gavin"

    Or the lefty left...Connolly.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    Well if you're 'absolutely certain' then that settles it, case closed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84 ✭✭Farmer2024




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,792 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Its not a line-up of elder statesmen and women, il grant you.

    The one thing people seem to keep glossing over, is that aside from being a football legend - Jim Gavin served in the Irish Defence Forces - he served in a peacekeeping role in Chad.

    Honestly i have no issue complaining about the field of candidates - but saying he was 'good at football, and stuff' - really we need to be more honest. The man served his country with distinction.

    I probably wont give him my first preference, I am a left winger - and while i would be no fan of Connolly, i will await the debates to see how they go down.

    Its not a great list - Humphreys stands out as the careerist, and i doubt i will preference her at all on the Ballot - I dont know which of the other two i will vote for, because i think Connolly is not a great choice -

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Iscreamkone


    The left won’t win by going further to the left.


    They should push someone viewed as middle of the road. Connolly is too far left for Irish voters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,829 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I am and tremendously so. I wouldn't expect FF or FG to give me any nominations either.

    I hate the church for what they done and I hate groups like Iona who try to restore that version of Ireland.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    So now that we have certainty about the candidates it's time to start initial assessments of the three.

    Connolly is an independent left-winger, formerly Labour, who seems to trigger a few Zionists and NATO supporters. Whether I vote for her will depend on how she impresses or otherwise during the campaign.

    Humphrys is a reluctant candidate who has a personable touch so will no doubt fit the bill for going round the country praising community schemes and the like. Not sure she really wants the gig though as she was a last minute stand-in who had previously ruled herself out.

    Gavin is a minor celebrity who I'd have more expected to see on some RTE 'reality' TV show like Come Dancing. Not in the running AFAIC unless the other two get hit by a bus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Complete nonsense and waffle.

    Tell me of another democratic country in the world where politicians get to tell the electorate they're not going to nominate someone for president as they are a political opponent of their party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,645 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    My guess is that HH will completely go to ground in the Aras and never say one controversial thing over the 7 years. She will do as Simon says. We will forget we have a president until we see her at matches. She will essentially continue her retirement while having a few holiday trips and host a few functions - not nearly as many as Michael D who really opened up the Aras from all accounts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 527 ✭✭✭LordBasil


    God what an abysmal line up. Each possible winner is a nightmare for different reasons, 2 FF/FG puppets and a crusty commie;

    HH winning gives Simon Harris a victory.

    JG winning vindicates MM's dictatorship of FF and his side-lining of Billy Kelleher.

    CC winning will give the loony left/Hamas loving shower a victory.

    If I had to pick one, I'd vote JG.

    My prediction is a dour campaign, turnout struggling to pass 35% and HH winning with transfers from JG as I don't think the far left will be able to get over 50%, even with some of JGs transfers. If CC loses I wonder what impact it will have on SF, my gut tells me that Mary Lou will rue the day she chose not to run herself and threw all her political weight behind CC. SF do have a habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    So.. Now we have an actual Election campaign..

    I think it's a "First Preference" win for Connolly or bust.

    If doesn't get the majority on the 1st count she needs to be very very close to have any chance.

    She will struggle to pick up much if any, transfers from HH/JG so if she's looking for more than a handful of votes on the 2nd count she's goosed.

    If she tops the poll (or second) , then the transfers from the lower of HH/JG will push the other over the line.

    Conversely , if she's the 1st one eliminated , it's hard to see where her transfers might go..

    Not sure who'd benefit more - neither of the other candidates seems like an obvious second choice for Connolly voters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Choice is very poor. Gavin is unelectable and a total spoofer, Humphreys is too fat to be president with an Orange background.

    Can any of them even speak the Irish language?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,829 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    And that's wrong in Germany.

    However they have a certain history.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,375 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    "Tell me of another democratic country in the world where politicians get to tell the electorate they're not going to nominate someone for president as they are a political opponent of their party."

    Just about every 'democratic country' I'd say, France, USA, etc…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭rdser


    Serving in a peacekeeping role does not a president make and doesnt make him any more appealing as a president….to me at least. There is zero chance of me giving him a vote tbh.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,829 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Which countries have more open nomination processes than Ireland for a ceremonial presidential role ?

    In the majority of European democracies the ceremonial position is still hereditary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 524 ✭✭✭myfreespirit


    The Federal Republic of Germany excludes the electorate entirely in electing their president.

    The body responsible for carrying out the election is the Bundesversammlung.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,792 ✭✭✭liamtech


    Genuinely not saying that the peacekeeping role elevates him in my eyes. Was merely responding to the fact that he keeps getting thrown out as that 'guy who was good at gaelic football' -

    Each candidate has a a list of pros and cons to their name, and some candidates are adding to those lists each day

    I just think that rounding down JG to - he was a great football man, is a bit incomplete.

    Its no different to saying Maria Steen was an Anti Establishment Candidate, who ran an insurgent campaign against more established parties - It leaves out a lot about her retrograde attitudes on societal issues, and her ties to the Iona Institute -

    Sic semper tyrannis - thus always to Tyrants



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,760 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    The Austrian president is selected and elected more or less exactly the way the president is elected here, except that they run a two-round election for the victor to exceed 50%.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Apologies for the large copy/paste from AI Search , but below is the details on the nomination process for all the EU Countries.

    Only 10 Countries in the EU have direct elections and almost all of them follow a format similar to Ireland.

    Those that do have "public" nomination pathway seems to require a very large number - The lowest is 6k Signatures in Austria , up to 100k signatures in Poland.

    The process for nominating a presidential candidate varies greatly across EU countries, depending on whether the president is elected directly by the public or indirectly by a legislative body. Here is a breakdown of the common nomination methods:

    Direct Popular Election Countries

    In countries where the president is elected by a direct popular vote, candidates must meet specific eligibility criteria and typically need a certain number of signatures from citizens or elected officials to get on the ballot.

    • Austria: A candidate must submit at least 6,000 signatures from eligible voters.
    • Czechia: A candidate can be nominated with the signatures of 50,000 citizens.
    • Finland: A candidate may be nominated by a registered party that won at least one seat in the previous parliamentary election, or by a constituency association of at least 20,000 enfranchised citizens.
    • France: Candidates must gather the signatures of 500 elected representatives from at least 30 different departments or overseas territories.
    • Lithuania: A candidate must be supported by at least 20,000 signatures from citizens or be nominated by a political party.
    • Poland: A candidate's nomination must be supported by the signatures of at least 100,000 citizens.
    • Slovakia: A candidate can be nominated by at least 15 members of parliament or by a petition with signatures of at least 15,000 citizens.
    • Croatia: Candidates must obtain a sufficient number of endorsements from Croatian voters.
    • Romania: Candidates are typically nominated by political parties, but independent candidates can run by collecting a certain number of signatures.
    • Ireland: Candidates can be nominated in one of two ways: by not less than 20 members of the Oireachtas (parliament), or by the councils of at least four local authorities (city or county councils). A former or retiring president can also nominate themselves.

    Indirect Election Countries

    In countries where the president is elected by a parliament or an electoral college, the nomination process is tied to the legislative body itself.

    • Estonia: A candidate for president must be nominated by at least one-fifth of the members of the Riigikogu (parliament).
    • Germany: The president is elected by the Federal Convention. Candidates are nominated by a group of its members, usually based on the support of political parties.
    • Greece: The president is elected by the Hellenic Parliament. Candidates are typically put forward by political parties.
    • Hungary: A candidate requires a written nomination from at least one-fifth of the Members of Parliament.
    • Italy: The president is elected by a joint session of the two houses of parliament and regional representatives. Candidates are not formally nominated, but rather emerge from political negotiations and caucuses. A candidate needs a sufficient number of votes in the early rounds to be considered.
    • Latvia: Candidacies are submitted to the Presidium of the Saeima (parliament). The process involves a great deal of political negotiation among the parties represented in parliament.
    • Malta: The president is appointed by a resolution of the House of Representatives. The nomination is a political decision made by the government in consultation with the opposition.

    Constitutional Monarchies

    As mentioned previously, countries that are constitutional monarchies (Belgium, Denmark, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Spain, and Sweden) do not have a president and therefore do not have a presidential nomination process. The head of state is a hereditary monarch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,076 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    I am not sure you know what slander means in a legal sense. That is the second time you have used that term.

    But anyway, I think you were being a bit hyperbolic. Dare I say with an almost religious fervour. I thought the "stay strong" comment you made to another poster was a wind up for example. Then I realised you were serious. Relax.

    Personally of all the candidates nominated and even nearly nominated like Steen. There are aspects of their beliefs I agree with and some I don't. Some might only agree with abortion where the life of the mother is in danger for example. It does not mean that the world is going to end.

    For instant the gay married man who nominated Steen said we do not have to agree on everything, but he believes in the democratic process. Who knows he might not agree with the current change on the abortion laws or he disagrees with all of Steen's beliefs.

    Steen's platform/beliefs are similar to Dana who ran for President in 1997 and 2011. She became MEP in 1999 based on her values. Did the world end?

    I think you conflating views which aggressively trample over others, versus different views which can co-exist with other views all differing views being respected.

    Just because Steen has differing views to you, it does not mean that she could not have served well in the office of President. As she is articulate and educated. And a democrat. It is not as if there would be a coup if she did receive even a nomination.

    Fundamentally, I expect a POI nominee to have a certain pose, intelligence and decency about them regardless of their beliefs or political background. To be elected you have to appeal to a broad range of people.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,767 ✭✭✭MFPM


    However Gavin has chosen to never express an opinion on any matter outside of GAA games and rules that most of us are aware off. So it's inevitable that's the starting point.

    Of course now that he's joined FF one can assert that he endorses the party that gave us the most catastrophic economic crisis in the state, the party that laid the ground for austerity, the party that continues to undermine our already limited military neutrality, the party that allows the US military use a civil airport, and the party directly responsible for the biggest housing crisis in the state etc... so in a way you're correct there shouldnt be a reductive approach to him to just GAA..

    Steen, for all her abhorrent views has had the courage of her convictions and campaigned for them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,060 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Serving as a commander of peacekeeping forces from a number of UN countries gives Gavin far more experience in diplomacy than either of the other two candidates.

    We have seen already this week the folly of letting someone (Connolly) whose mouth engages before her brain out into the world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,829 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    "Steen, for all her abhorrent views has had the courage of her convictions and campaigned for them"

    But not the courage to respect the process that she took part and failed in.

    Also Iona don't have the courage to be a real party and instead skulk in the shadows.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,060 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    He hasn't chosen to never express an opinion in public, it has been a requirement of his jobs not to express an opinion. How many members of the Defence Forces have ever expressed an opinion in public on the level of taxation? Ditto senior public servants. In fact, members of the Defence Force are precluded by law from political activity, though it is more of a convention with senior public servants (civil servants are only precluded by law).

    Criticising Gavin for not expressing an opinion is coming from a position of ignorance on what he could do.



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