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BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭VG31


    Dublin Bus have updated the Phase 7 page with a "booklet".

    https://www.dublinbus.ie/bus-connects/spine-f

    It's a DOCX file with just text, no maps or anything. Complete amateur stuff. Dublin Bus shouldn't even be publishing this. It should be the sole responsibility of TFI for communication.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    That’s presumably a text version of the TFI produced booklet that one would hope will be forthcoming in due course.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19 Dre Colman


    That makes a lot of sense. The flat max fare on the validator just slows everything down for no reason. Surprised it hasn’t been tweaked already given how common the issue is across routes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 649 ✭✭✭noelfirl


    An 'accessible' version of the web page I'd guess, based on the text towards the end about Independent Travel Support.

    I completely agree with your point about TFI. Despite having an overarching agency/regulator for about 15 years now, there's still this annoying ambiguity and duplication of information, when by now Dublin Bus, Go Ahead and indeed the other operators should really have been phased down to have a minimum website with just bare bones specific info on the operator and how to get in contact with them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,607 ✭✭✭VG31


    That's a good point, didn't think of that. Regardless, DB still shouldn't be publishing that. If you're not in the know like people here, it's still very confusing as there are no route maps or at least detailed route descriptions.

    It causes a lot of confusion for people. TFI should make one announcement with all route maps, timetables booklets etc and not this gradual release of information by Dublin Bus.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭BusGuy


    Why is this phase as 7A?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7 Joshieo303


    The E-Spine was phase 6a so it's in line with the naming scheme.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭BusGuy


    It's the same as phase 5, there was a 5b and a 5a, so I'd imagine there is still time for a 6B and a 7B…



  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,417 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    6b was O orbital.

    7b is now O orbital.

    We'll still be here in a few years with phase 11b the O orbital.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Changes to some D-Spine and A-Spine routes have been announced on the BusConnects Dublin Network page:

    https://busconnects.ie/cities/dublin/new-dublin-area-bus-network/

    The detail is in the document below, linked to from that page:

    https://busconnects.ie/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/BusConnects-Route-A3-Plans_19.09.25.pdf

    Route D4 will be re-routed via the current 77a route between the Greenhills Road and Killinarden and then will terminate at Fortunestown Road - it will no longer serve Kiltipper

    It appears from the document that the D4 north side will terminate at Omni SC in Santry.

    Route D5 will be removed - a new radial will, I suspect, replace it on the north side - we have seen a couple of additional route numbers mentioned by the NTA in correspondence

    Route A3 will be re-routed from Spawell roundabout via Firhouse Road and Ballycullen Road to terminate at the current 15 terminus. It will no longer serve Tallaght.

    It appears that the A3 north side will now follow the current route 1 routing in Whitehall and Santry, terminating at Shanard Road, no longer routing via Collins Avenue.

    The big map on that page has yet to be updated for these changes. We really need to see a 2025 version now to get a better handle on the new network.

    I’m not surprised about the changes to the service in Ballycullen - the original plan cut frequency in the area and that was never going to deal with the demand. Similarly the cut to service planned around Tymon North and Seskin View was bizarre, and this is now more than reversed.

    Post edited by LXFlyer on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,246 ✭✭✭✭cgcsb


    Arguably the most important route in BC for improving connectivity



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 300 ✭✭DaBluBoi


    Could they not have just let the D5 follow the same routing as this new D4 for its southside, instead of cutting it altogether? Seems a bit disappointing for current users of 27a



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,631 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    The captions for the last 2 route diagrams in the linked pdf seem to be misplaced



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Presumably it’s down to resources (buses and drivers) and the desire to deliver more frequency to Beaumont.

    The D4 is now going to be every 12 mins instead of every 30 mins which is a big increase, or perhaps that’s a typo and they mean every 15 mins?

    We don’t yet know if any other frequency changes may be happening in that phase.

    Are the D1, D2 and D3 increasing to every 12 from every 15 mins for example?

    There appears, from earlier reports, to be an additional radial 78 in this phase which presumably is the replacement for the northside half of the D5.

    I am having to an extent do some “joining the dots” here due to the piecemeal nature of the info released and being aware of some typos.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭john boye


    Absolutely bonkers that they've basically ended up keeping the 77A's odyssey around Dublin 24. And on a spine route, no less.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    No one is going to use the D4 from points in West Tallaght through to Tallaght Village to get to the city though?

    Surely people would switch to either LUAS or the D2 at the Square, which are far more direct?

    The D4 frequency delivers a necessary local service around East, South and West Tallaght, while also delivering a reasonably frequent service between the city and Tymon North and Seskin View.

    Also, the more direct D2 will be serving Citywest now, not the D4.

    Bear in mind the challenges that the companies are facing in recruiting and retaining staff to deliver the new network - sometimes there will have to be compromises.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 Arhanedus


    One downside to the A3 northside changes is that it's now going to be a less direct service for DCU, having to walk from Swords road or Shanard road like on the current 1, but I suppose it makes sense to avoid the disastrous peak time traffic on Collins Avenue.

    I'd have liked if the A3 could serve it (perhaps like the current 104), but they probably wouldn't because of the extra journey time…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,631 ✭✭✭p_haugh


    The northern D4 terminus is being pulled back as well it seems. Looks like it will terminate at Omni Shopping Centre instead of Coolock Lane now, based on the map in the linked pdf.

    Screenshot_20250923-154831.png

    Makes me wonder what route would utilise the dedicated terminus at Coolock Lane that's planned as part of the CBC - the D5 replacement I guess? Unless Omni is the temporary terminus until the terminus at Coolock Lane is built as part of the Swords CBC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭john boye


    What you're describing is a radial route then. Which is really what that routing should be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    No it’s not a radial - it’s integrated from a scheduling perspective with the D1, D2 and D3 along the Spine. That is the key attribute.

    The B2 in Blanchardstown takes a similarly long routing all around Sheepmoor, Clonsilla and Ongar to get to Littlepace.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Yeah - I added that observation to my original post earlier on.

    Yes it may well be a temporary arrangement until the CBC works are complete.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 C507


    Very disappointing. Templeogue, Terenure and Rathgar need a direct bus connection to Tallaght and this will be greatly missed. Was ready hoping the A1 to Tallaght would be 24hrs. There is not enough peak buses from Blessington to town in that schedule and there is a huge amount of students from schools around Templeogue and Terenure that rely on the 65 to get to school from along the N81 and all the way as far as Blessington.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    At the very least it needs better connections - the 82 won’t connect well with the A3 at Spawell - people will need to walk around a very busy roundabout to switch between them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,143 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    How long does it currently take if you get a bus route from Dublin City Centre to Coolock Lane? I would presume that if the 78 were to take over the northern half of the D5; could the 78 start it's route in Abbey St or Eden Quay to go up to Coolock Lane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭BusGuy


    But you know it's better for bus users up in Beaumont, since they can change for the 14 and what not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,793 ✭✭✭john boye


    That roundabout is due to be changed to a traffic light junction at some stage but I've no idea when.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 458 ✭✭PlatformNine


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    Interesting change I noticed in the booklet published along side the changes. It appears either the A2 or A4 will be changed to follow the 15B's routing on Bushy Park Rd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,811 ✭✭✭jd


    The D5 replacement will have to serve Edenmore or there will be war. So I can't see it going anywhere near Coolock Lane.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Removing buses from Bushy Park Road altogether was a bizarre aspect of the plan - it would have left some people with potentially up to a mile walk where they are currently only 5 mins away from their nearest stop.

    It does look as if some common sense is setting in.

    But we really do need an updated big picture map to assess it all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,148 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    I don’t think that the north side D5 replacement will be going anywhere except a direct replacement for the 27a.



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