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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,494 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Not True the Sec Gen will still be the Accounting Officer after the system change.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,494 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Its behind a paywall but according to the Times the Giraffe Radar System has gone to Ukraine as reported a while back.

    The RBS System has not gone to Ukraine. So where have the launchers and the Missiles gone? Back to Sweden for safe dispoal in Ukraine?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025/09/20/government-quietly-donates-air-defence-systems-to-ukraine/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭mupper2


    The missiles/launchers are still used they were upgraded/new rounds bought a few years back…they don't need a radar to work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,494 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    There was an article posted here while back they are out of use because of the lack of radar.They would be pretty useless with just eyeball only.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,317 ✭✭✭Mav11


    The Chief of Defence cannot become a Sec. Gen, that position is reserved for Govt. departments only.

    The COD can however become the Accounting or the Accountable officer. Big difference between both. I think that it is more likely that they will become the Accountable officer with the DOD continuing to hold the purse strings.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭mupper2


    The RBS-70 doesn't need a radar its laser guided, does a radar help yes but it's not necessary. We only got the latest batch of new BOLIDE/NG missiles in 2022.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭Irish History


    I was recently shocked to learn that the Irish Defence Forces were established as Crown Forces, and that the foreign British Monarch had the formal duty of appointing military officers, although this was done on the advice of Irish government officials and the Governor-General.

    That means the Défense Forces are not in historical fact Óglaigh na hÉireann - which makes sense now because Óglaigh na hÉireann were the official army of the 32 county Sovereign Irish Republic (as far as Ireland and the Irish people were concerned) and I always wondered, if the Free State army waged a war against the 32 county Irish Republic, how could they be Óglaigh na hÉireann.

    I then wondered why the Free State/26 county State lie about its foundation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    I don't know why, presumably trolling, but you've twisted the history of the actual evolution of the Defence Forces to what they are today.

    The National Army was stood up immediately in 1922 from among the numbers of the War of Independence IRA and veterans of the Great War. It was never a crown force, but the national army of a dominion state under the terms of the Treaty.

    To be considered a crown force, it would had to have been at the beck and call of HM government in London, ruling in His Majesty's name. And we know, of course, that that was never, ever the case.

    The national army immediately adopted the styling Óglaigh na hÉireann, in the aftermath of the war of independence and the civil war. A wholesale peacetime reduction and reorganisation of the forces took place, completed by March 1924.

    Meanwhile in August 1923, Dáil agus Seanad Éireann passed the Defence Forces (Temporary Provisions) Act, raising

    "an armed force to be called Óglaigh na hÉireann (hereinafter referred to as the Forces) consisting of such number of officers, non-commissioned officers, and men as may from time to time be provided by the Oireachtas."

    So, in spite of all that bulls**t you just said, and in spite also of the seditious utterances of proscribed criminal organisations in the interim, and in summary, there is a direct and historically recognised line from the

    "secret revolutionary organisation, the Irish Republican Brotherhood, and through her open military organisations, the Irish Volunteers and the Irish Citizen Army" - to the modern Óglaigh na hÉireann, otherwise the constitutional Defence Forces of this Republic.

    Proclamation of the Irish Republic, April 1916.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭vswr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭Irish History


    I am not twisting anything, nor am I trolling.

    I am stating historical fact which I can back up with the relevant period documentation. In the meantime, look it up for yourself and learn. Read the Free State Constitution and the Articles of Agreement for a Treaty. The minutes taken on the evening of the 5th and morning of the 6th are damning and clearly state the name given to the nascent free state army by the enemy British as the Defence Force - the name it still uses to this day because they were established as Crown Forces.

    Let me remind you that the Sovereign State as far as Ireland and the Irish people were concerned was the 32 county Irish Republic. The Parliament of the 32 county Irish Republic was the 32 county Dáil Éireannn, and the actual national army of the 32 county Irish Republic were the 32 county Irish Republican Army, the actual Óglaigh na hÉireann. Both the real Dáil Éireannn and the IRA (the actual Óglaigh na hÉireann) swore an oath of allegiance to the sovereign 32 county Irish Republic.

    That is just the reality and the historical fact of the matter.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭Irish History


    quote missing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭Irish History


    100 percent - identity theft.

    It's mind-blowing to realise that the State has been lying about its foundation and teaching us how to perpetuate the lies in school.

    Post edited by Irish History on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭vswr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭Irish History


    I did - and I am factually correct according to the period documentation.

    Men deserted from the Irish Republican Army (the actual Óglaigh na hÉireann) and defected to the Dominion of the British Empire nascent Free State army (Crown Forces). 

    That is just the reality and the historical fact of the matter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭sparky42


    In not nonsense related info, while the latest PQ's still suggest something moving on the radars by the end of the year (or at least the land based hardware), I'm still wondering what the attached GBAD component is, I mean it's to also include C-UAS, but are we still talking about something MANPAD/VSHORAD, or something more capable given the EU wide push on air defence?

    Time frame still seems "unlikely" to me, but that's a result of the can kicking till now.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,222 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    [MOD]If you have issue with the way the Defence Forces style themselves or display a flag marked "Ireland", I suggest you take it up with the Government. In the meantime, trolling like this or as seen on the off-topic thread is prohibited.

    Be constructive in your participation, or be gone.[/MOD]



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 618 ✭✭✭vswr


    they actually both used the title since day one when the armed forces split into pro and con treaty forces, same structure, same use of Irish language etc….

    It was people who called them free stater's who think differently.

    But hey, everyone loves some 100 year old revisionism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 298 ✭✭Irish History


    I'm not trolling. Just because certain people refuse to accept facts does not mean the person who is attempting to educate them is trolling. I was being constructive. I also don't see why a mod should tell me to take it up with the Gov. If every mod had that illogical attitude when someone made a comment about how the State is run, what's the purpose of a forum. If you were being constructive, perhaps you could have suggested I start a thread about Óglaigh na hÉireann. Perhaps I will, assuming I'm not being censored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 97 ✭✭RavenP


    who would you say, Irish History, is the inheritor of the title then?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,222 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    [MOD]If you want to start a thread on the history and formation of the Defence Forces, that's fine.

    If, however, you wish to platform an idea that the Defence Forces do not hold legitimate title under the acts of the Oireachtas to their name, the representation of the nation or their position as the military arm of the Republic of Ireland, that is not a subject for this subforum. You may argue it in Politics or maybe History[/MOD]



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Go ahead and start a thread on ÓnahÉ, you'll be the only one on it.

    In any case, this is the 'Interesting Articles' thread, and your posts are, well, neither.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    You tell him Larbre.…not like the interesting posts that meself and yourself put on here!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭sparky42


    So something in the IT from the SG of the department.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2025/09/24/new-laws-needed-to-tackle-shadow-fleet-threat-says-department-of-defence-official/

    Now, I don't mean to be unkind to the SG but she has been in the office for longer than five minutes, and the issue of safety of undersea infrastructure has been a known issue for beyond that time, moreover "new laws"? Perhaps moving with a bit more urgency on the LoA2 recommendations, or trying to address the NS/AC staffing crises might be a bit more helpful from the DoD? Or maybe tell the DoD staff concerned about how "militarised" the Type 31 is to STFU perhaps?

    Oh also, I do have to laugh at the SF/Tankie/Random people complaining about the Irish government/NS not protecting the Gaza boat trip (how long does it take to cross the Med?), the exact same people that condemn any defence spending increases and proclaim the Triple Lock as Scared.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭sparky42


    I see Connelly was having a moment in UCD last night…

    https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2025/09/25/catherine-connolly-compares-german-arms-build-up-with-1930s/

    **** me, how she gets that angle is beyond me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,494 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    If there was only some reason why the germans are rebuilding there military. I just cant think off one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭sparky42


    it’s totally unprovoked and unnecessary isn’t it, there’s not a single hostile actor in Europe, but look any German defence spending must be linked to the Nazis…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,028 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    Russia are literally invading their neighbour as we speak, but it's Germany we need to be afraid of….?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭jonnybigwallet


    I'm afraid she is a good bit wide of the mark. The Polish have been expanding their massive armed forces both in manpower and equipment to meet the Russians head on. Some of our politicians don't really seem able to keep up with world events.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭Notmything


    It's deliberate. If you mention Poland you have to mention the literal bear at the door.

    By mentioning Germany you can ignore the reality and can cast aspersions on them while staying in Putin's good books.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 329 ✭✭mupper2


    She has an intense streak of 1970's unreconstructed tankie in her and she keeps letting it show,



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