Tesla Talk 2

listermint · 06-09-2025 09:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123792137#Comment_123792137

Who's getting worked up?

I just called it for what it is, misdirection, waffle. Purposefully to get away from what hes done to the Tesla brand ruining their vehicle sales when they should be hitting their absolute stride.

JOL1 · 06-09-2025 10:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123792144#Comment_123792144

No..you expressed an opinion which is different to representing it as fact "just callled it for what it is" . There is no debate that this is a staggering remuneration package by any objective standard and everyone can have a view as to how realistic, challenging or fantasy that it may be, but criteria for payment are linked to very specific performance measures. In simplistic terms is seeks to align the interests of the CEO with those of shareholders which is nothing new..what is new is the size of both the risk and the reward …..

unkel · 06-09-2025 10:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123792054#Comment_123792054

I am perfectly logical and reasonable here. And "legit". And frank. And serious. In a capitalist society, there is a reward for risk and success. The more risk / success, the greater the reward. Incredible success, incredibly large reward

But just read your own post again. There is no logic in it. It is just a rant. Do you begrudge successful people? Do you do a Victor Meldrew on 18 year old footballers who make €100k net a week?

07-09-2025 08:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123791662#Comment_123791662

Sales are down due to a political boycotting campaign. Not because the products are inferior. If you want to talk about cult like behaviour, let's start there.

listermint · 07-09-2025 09:16AM

All 3 of you cant see it for what it is. Ive explained what it is and none of you understood that which shows exactly what I meant the first time I said its cult like behaviour.

He's not getting a trillion, hes not delivering on more false promises, just like he hasn't delivered on all the last ones.

And people are buying the products specifically because he's a right wing lunatic and hes stolen all their social security data. Not because of a cult. Time to wake up fellas your guy is a wrong one.

JOL1 · 07-09-2025 09:40AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123792794#Comment_123792794

Not sure why you refer to him as "your man", that is to infer beyond anything that has been stated… Comments relate to what is happening about his remuneration package and what is proposed "facts", rather than express any personal support for the individual or expression of a view on how achievable the performance targets are or are not. Resorting to extrapolating that to your conclusion of "cult like behaviour" is a stretch too far and is not based on "facts".

listermint · 07-09-2025 09:43AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123792833#Comment_123792833

Its my opinion, that he is your man.

Succinct. /

07-09-2025 10:22AM

Argh. I let them suck me in again. Please delete this post...

...Ghost... · 07-09-2025 11:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123792794#Comment_123792794

And people are buying the products specifically because he's a right wing lunatic and hes stolen all their social security data. Not because of a cult. Time to wake up fellas your guy is a wrong one.

And other people are not buying the products and are damaging other peoples property and businesses specifically because they think Musk is a right wing lunatic. Not cultish at all there 😉

MJohnston · 07-09-2025 11:41AM

Hold on, they think Musk is a right wing lunatic? I mean, are we really really disputing that he's right wing now? If you agree with him, at least own up to that

07-09-2025 12:06PM

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07-09-2025 12:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123793057#Comment_123793057

Can I reply with a question? So what if he is?

07-09-2025 12:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123793142#Comment_123793142

I mean we are literally at war against the far left, Russia, China and North Korea. I'm not talking about threats, I'm talking about actions.

It was the biggest threat 90 years ago, but for the past 80 years communism has been the biggest threat and today has gone beyond threats and into actions.

Many countries in the world, especially Europe, have officially shifted into wartime economics.

Germany has begun to spend trillions on defence and to bring back conscription, in preparation for war against Russia, China and N. Korea. Aka communism and the far left.

Poland are literally a stray bullet away from full on joining the war in Ukraine.

Trump on the other hand is doing everything he can to stop the fighting. Je's very naive, but at least hes trying.

I mean get real. What is this threat to world peace that Musk poses? You are delusional.

Its all the more reason to get humans to Mars ASAP.

listermint · 07-09-2025 12:57PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123793157#Comment_123793157

I mean.

Say no more , this lad excellently put together exactly what I was talking about.

Bananas stuff , and this is the folks musk is crowing to on his platform of filth.

Applaud your work sir. 👏

listermint · 07-09-2025 12:59PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123793036#Comment_123793036

People have broken property for all sorts of reasons from all sorts of movement. Not sure what that has to do with me. But im not convinced you understand the definition of a cult. Wanton vandalism isn't in it horse.

And cults have dear leaders who can do no wrong and deserves everything that comes to them, because they're so fantastic. Also people tend to explain away their faults 👀

07-09-2025 01:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123793207#Comment_123793207

Have you got anything of substance to say. You people are utterly insufferable. You are pig ignorant and dumb as sh!t that you cannot see what is actually happening in the world.

You don't agree the world is in a war time footing? Seriously? Ffs.

Musk is nothing. He's a billionaire with the platform to say what he likes. It's free speech and democracy in action. He can say what he likes, he can piss off who he likes.

Why don't you go live in China if you don't like it? Maybe put up a gay pride flag and see what happens.

...Ghost... · 07-09-2025 01:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123793213#Comment_123793213

People have broken property for all sorts of reasons from all sorts of movement.

Sounds like you're excusing the people who damaged personal property, (ironically, largely owned by mostly left wing, liberal types, pre-Trump/Musk love-in) and the destruction of vehicles and properties at Tesla showrooms and service centres, because it was part of a movement.

Not sure what that has to do with me.

Not sure why you're asking. I didn't say it had anything to do with you.

But im not convinced you understand the definition of a cult.

Let's see

The "thing" is leftist ideology. The "particular group" are a sub-section of lefties who think it's OK to damage other people property because the property is a brand you don't like, or is run by a CEO you don't like. Does that work for you, or does only your interpretation count?

Wanton vandalism isn't in it horse.

Really? This must be an isolated incident then. There must be only this one story. Let's not dig any deeper.

Also people tend to explain away their faults 👀

The way you explain away criminal damage and arson? Got it. Thanks for clearing that up horse.

MJohnston · 07-09-2025 02:01PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123793140#Comment_123793140

One of the "so whats" is the fact that it was idiotic as the head of a company that depends on the popularity and progress of EVs to have politically aligned yourself to the one group of Americans who are ideologically opposed to the mere existence of EVs.

I mean, is the disaster of that choice even debatable anymore? Musk has cost Tesla a lot of sales and reputational damage, and has gained absolutely nothing in terms of political influence that benefits Tesla.

unkel · 07-09-2025 02:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123793366#Comment_123793366

As much as I would like to keep my emotions out of this thread and stay rational, I have to agree with all that. And I think it is actually worse. I don't think he ever got into the politics to benefit Tesla.

MJohnston · 07-09-2025 02:52PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123793461#Comment_123793461

The last bit is probably key. I think maybe there's an argument he thought he could influence Trump and co on policy regarding EVs and maybe remove some legislation that would save Tesla money. But all-in-all I think most of that generally backfired.

It might have helped Space X more than it did Tesla.

BestWestern · 07-09-2025 03:09PM

Is this a Tesla rant or a musk rant?

unkel · 07-09-2025 03:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123793503#Comment_123793503

Musk said years ago that he wanted the EV subsidy to end. It wasn't needed. I have to agree with him there. But that is my own (political) view: I am against any form of subsidy, for anything. Period.

MJohnston · 07-09-2025 03:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123793550#Comment_123793550

Nobody is ranting anymore, chill out

MJohnston · 07-09-2025 03:39PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123793638#Comment_123793638

Regardless of politics I think probably most can agree that most EV subsidies just ended up being free money for car manufacturers. But the ways the current US administration has changed tack are much more obviously anti-EV than anti-subsidy

07-09-2025 05:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123793366#Comment_123793366

I don't understand politicising cars, I really don't. Musk can sell electric vehicles and have an interest in climate change and a cleaner planet and at the same time have very strong anti immigration views and be a staunch critic of DEI. I mean, he literally does, so obviously its something that is possible.

Someone who is "far-right" (i put that in quotes because I find it a very loose term that basically means anyone who does not agree with me) can drive an EV and someone who is climate conscious and drive a Tesla.

People need to stop making up stupid fcuking rules and stop trying to force them on people who do not give a sh!t.

Gumbo · 07-09-2025 06:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123793973#Comment_123793973

The same small group on here won’t agree with you unfortunately. Thankfully, in the real world, many do share your views.

You can like the car without giving a shite what the CEO does, look at the shenanigans of BYD and their slave camps etc, nobody protesting outside BYD in deansgrange today 😂😂😂

Today alone I drove ze German VW ID4, a Korean eNiro and a Toyota Proace, so I’m deffo pro choice, the nicest to drive was probably the proace!

MJohnston · 07-09-2025 06:42PM

Musk can sell electric vehicles and have an interest in climate change and a cleaner planet and at the same time have very strong anti immigration views and be a staunch critic of DEI. I mean, he literally does, so obviously its something that is possible.

I'm sorry, but this is naive. Sure Musk can internally hold these views as they're not explicitly in contradiction with each other, but as the head of a car company, and as someone who expresses his views in the extremely childish ways that he has done, he's just hurting the Tesla brand with his actions.