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Fun With Flags! DCC Edition

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭jackboy


    So, have many immigrants actually expressed offense with all the flags, or is it the usual suspects being offended on behalf of others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,840 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Who is offended? I haven't heard anyone say they were offended foreign or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭rdser


    To be fair you are all over the place on this. In one post you are saying

    "Yeah I think you should require permission to have flags permanently plastered all over a neighbourhood, which is completely different to a flag hanging out of a car."

    And the next you are saying

    "You would need permission from the council to hang on public property. Peoples houses you can do what you want."

    You still haven't outlined who you think should issue permission "to have flags permanently plastered all over a neighbourhood"

    And the example of the jeep with the flag is the only one that is illegal based on where it was and the size of it.. but you have no issue with that.

    It's a perfect example of how nonsensical the whole thing has got.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,840 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    You should require permission to hang things on public property, you don't need it for private property, no?

    The council should issue permission, they own the lampposts.

    I didn't see the jeep but if it was a road hazard of course I have a problem with it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,945 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    If it is on their property and not on public property causing any risk or danger to anyone else so it's not your business full stop.

    Answer your own questions about hazards on the road etc .

    But the discussion is about flags on public places and structures without permission from the authorities .

    Councils are well capable of taking down posters , flags , banners murals and any structures that they deem inappropriate or a risk to public safety . Have done so in the past.

    No reason why these should not be treated the same way .

    Or else let them up as Get Real said above and let them hang until they are dirty and ignored . That is another option .

    Will those that put them up replace them when they are ragged and an eyesore ? It will probably be left to the local people who usually tidy up.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭nachouser


    It's gas, everyone on here knows that it's an attempt to use our Irish flag to try to intimidate immigrants and make them feel unwelcome, but the amount of excuses handwaving the issue away is hilarious.

    Just own it and say you're grand with our flag being used by these groups to try to make immigrants feel unwelcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Whatever the intent, are the flags actually intimidating immigrants and making them feel unwelcome? If not then the intent is not relevant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭nachouser




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 251 ✭✭rdser


    During the hunger strikes in the North in the 80s there were black flags on every lamp post in Shannon, it had a large northern community and they were never taken down. There are Catholic posters on lamp posts all over the place to this day, admittedly not the same volume.

    There are posters by small left and right organisations on poles all over cities and towns all around the country and manky looking stickers too and none absolutely none have permission. Including for Gaza and the like. Are ye demanding these are taken down...because it certainly doesn't happen. They are litter really and are offensive to many.

    Personally I'm offended by the nonsense that goes on every lamp post in the country during elections and will happen again for the presidential race but I wouldn't ask or expect them to be taken down. I do know they have a time frame but that is not and was not abided by many candidates and ended up flying away in the wind.

    But to somehow deem the tricolour as some how offensive is bonkers beyond belief...regardless of what you believe the motives are.l or arent..in case someone's feelings are hurt?

    Get a bloody grip. That's life. People get offended about lots of things and you can't negate all of them. The Irish flag being seen as offensive or hurtful is horse manure or the highest order no matter how you dress it up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,140 ✭✭✭jackboy


    People have all sorts of intents I can't control. If those intents don't actually impact others then let them at it. Simply ignore them.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    People using the Irish flag to intimidate non-irish or be xenophobic is pathetic. Not sure why people would try to defend it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭nachouser


    More handwaving. Our flag is being co-opted by a small group of individuals for a specific purpose; to make immigrants feel unwelcome. That's not a good thing. C'mon, this is hardly a controversial stand to take.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 941 ✭✭✭ollkiller


    Times its appropriate to wave an Irish flag. St Patricks Day. And anytime an irish sportperson/team is involved.

    Any other time is just some bollocks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,543 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    Not true.

    As you are no doubt are aware of the nuance, but are playing to the gallery.

    1. Anything put on a lampost etc without permission from DCC can be removed. That is just a fact. Also there has been complaints about the prolifration of tricolours in these areas.
    2. What is the reason the flag is being put up is it inclusive or exclusive? For example, I doubt the areas in Finglas and Coolock put up the Irish tricolour to support the Irish Rugby team. What is their INTENT?

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,170 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    Agreed, the reaction is ludicrous and counter productive. I've never been a flags person like most people in Ireland, but the actions of the DCC might change that. How dare they tell people that they cannot fly the national flag.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,840 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    How dare they have rules that you can't hang flags off lampposts etc? Why do a few people get to decide my area has Irish flags all over the place? I was never consulted and it looks sh*t.

    Would you be OK with them painting the kerbs green white and orange too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,374 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    From what I can see it's bad actors erecting them wherever they feel like it (which you generally can't legally do as is). I wouldn't say that's showing any particular respect for the flag and it being for xenophobic and racists purposes makes the sentiment even worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,170 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    I'm sorry you think the national flag "looks sh*t".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭Freight bandit


    Since the Irish government have adopted globalism they now see our flag as a threat to their economic units



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 506 ✭✭✭mvt




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 92,343 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    The Gallaghers those far right racists 😆

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    I don't see an issue with flying the Ireland flag anywhere unless it has racist wording on it, like migrants or refugees or ipas out etc., I think DCC has now brought more attention to the issue that might increase flags around

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Lotus Flower


    Kneecap are the same



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,747 ✭✭✭MacDanger


    The council should start a campaign of putting tricolours up right across the city, would prevent these goons from marking their territory



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,234 ✭✭✭scottser


    DCC should leave the flags up. Nobody should be offended by the Tricolour because it simply doesn't mean what they think it means. This island has been inhabited by Western Hunter Gatherers from France, dark-skinned Neolithic farmers from Anatolia. Celts from Spain, Gaels, Vikings, Normans, you name it. I love watching these shitehawks explain who gets to be Irish and who doesn't on the basis of 'blood', 'heritage' etc. when everyone's ancestors came from somewhere else.

    It is of course hugely ironic that the orange section of the Tricolour is happy to unite with the green section over their shared fear of dark skin when that's exactly what the earliest settlers here looked like.

    Post edited by scottser on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,861 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I wish we could just skip over this one keep our flags for sports and diplomatic purposes. The rest of the time I'm well aware that I'm in Ireland without egregious levels of branding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,439 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    All the flag supporters in this thread are the same people who get offended when companies on pride day all make social media posts and add a pride flag emoji.

    Pure hypocrisy as usual from the usual hypocrites.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,028 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    It does matter what people are intending when they put it up. If a load of people who are anti immigrant put up a load of flags to show that they're anti immigrant, then when you see the flag you know it means that.

    In England the St Georges flag has been hijacked by the far right. Whereas the St Andrews flag or St Davids flag is a celebration of Scottish or Welsh culture, the St Georges flag is only even seen at football matches or far right rallies. That's a pity but it's the racists who are to blame for that.

    In northern Ireland the flag of Ulster is more associated with unionists than nationalists. To the extent that there have been paramilitaries that have been named after it.

    The swastika had a different meaning once but thanks to a certain german group, it now has a completly different meaning. At least in Europe. In the far east, it's still used as a spiritual symbol.

    So yes, a flag can have a different meaning depending why it's being displayed and who's displaying it.

    Post edited by Grayson on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭satguy


    The flags are only put up in areas of Dublin that don't want IPAS centres.

    If someone could tell us the areas of Dublin that are pro IPAS centres, we could sort this out tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭AugustRain


    Why do you think that you get to control how people feel about anything?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,840 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    We've had one for a couple of years but the flags only went up recently.



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