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DART+ (DART Expansion)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 257 ✭✭Bsharp


    there isn't abundant resources available to the Department of Transport, can't even guarantee all of DART+ will be funded never mind any other heavy rail investment.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,577 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    I obviously don't have numbers, but the AIRR looked into it and even they said it would be very expensive and not justifiable, for the AIRR:

    The Review has considered interventions to enable faster and more frequent journeys between Rosslare Europort and
    Dublin, including adding passing loops, tunnelling through Bray Head, developing a new railway along the M11 corridor, and building a new line for DART services along the N11 corridor. A more direct route between Cork and Waterford was also considered but found to be impractical due to the geography of this corridor.

    Many of these solutions would be very costly and are unlikely to be justifiable as most railways in this region would not be
    expected to support more than one or two trains per hour in each direction. It appears that the best way forward for
    boosting connectivity in the South East of Ireland in the shorter term is to introduce an hourly shuttle service between
    Wexford and Greystones, with DART services to be extended to Wicklow.

    This is from the experts in this area and generally the people most positively predisposed to rail.

    The reality is the ideas being proposed here simply aren't part of either the National Development Plan or the AIRR. While I won't say it will never happen, it certainly isn't going to happen in the next 30 years or so.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,577 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Hell they haven't even signed off on replacing the existing DART fleet even though it is more then 40 years old!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Can we get a "everything remotely DART+ related but isn't actually DART+" thread?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭spillit67


    Perhaps, but then watch the growth move to Wexford. Allowing more homes in Dublin is the actual answer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,394 ✭✭✭spillit67


    In fairness DART+ Coastal South is up in the air, hence the discussion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭Crakepottle?


    Does anyone know what is happening with Dart south west? Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Fully approved, tenders issued



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Might be a good place to provide a recap:

    DART+ Coastal North: Approved in full, 2025-08-21 (13 months in planning process)
    DART+ Southwest: Approved in full, 2024-11-22 (20 months in planning process)
    DART+ West: Approved without depot, 2024-07-31 (24 months in planning process)
    DART+ Fleet: New stock in testing, awaiting cabinet approval to order replacements for 8100s.

    DART+ Coastal South: Effectively suspended. No design, no RO applied for.

    The new depot location for West is to be submitted for approval later, but it’s claimed that it won’t delay the delivery of DART+ West.

    (I wouldn’t read too much into the reducing times in planning, DART+West was the most complex project with the most re-construction needed, Coastal North had the least)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,894 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    Coastal South: they do appear to be proceeding with the Bray/Greystones/Wicklow bits - Dart to Wicklow Town has been confirmed (albeit with the date pushed back to 2030) and the design for Greystones has appeared in a couple of presentations.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    South coastal has been split in two


    Bray - Wicklow there are plans for works at Bray, some double tracking near Greystones and the charging gear and related upgrades at Wicklow and some minor works at Kilcoole


    A lot of this can go through normal planning channels but the twin tracking bit likely needs a RO unless the original act which empowered construction had provision for 2 tracks


    work



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 184 ✭✭pnott


    I would be surprised if coastal south happens especially any big infrastructure works such as double track from Bray Head to Greystones/Wicklow. Best we can hope for is new trains really. From what I have heard from my source in the NTA there is very little cash for any big stuff. NTA were preparing to launch weekend services through the Phoenix Park Tunnel, last minute the Minister rang them to say scrap it no money.



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