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Served notice of termination, now what?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,966 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    what did AI make of this

    encouraged him to sign an avadavat

    Did you mean avocado?

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    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭SupaCat95


    Yep, sorry to say but once put in motion, the process is inevitable unless the OP wins the Lotto or your rich batchelor farmer uncle dies. The faster the truth is accepted, the faster the process of finding a new property can begin.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,565 ✭✭✭✭con747


    OP I think there is something wrong with you.

    Post edited by Gumbo on

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,846 ✭✭✭cython


    There is literally no tenancy length at present that would afford you a year's notice, the max is 224 days per the following, and that's after 8 years, or twice as long as you've been there. https://rtb.ie/renting/ending-a-tenancy/how-a-landlord-can-end-a-tenancy/#notice

    As others have said, AI is a poor source of information on this, especially when the primary sources like the above are trivial to find via plain old Google.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭JVince


    Minimum notice for you is 84 days, so the LL has been fair and given 6 months.

    Places do come up frequently, but they get let very quickly. I had tenants move out recently as their new house was ready and I literally put the house on daft for about 6 hours and got about 40 responses.

    About 30 of these did not "attract" me.

    I whittled it to 5, 3 turned up, two were interested in taking it and I choose the applicant who I thought would suit the property and location best.

    On daft, you can set up automatic replies, so sell yourself. Say where you work, say the your current LL is selling and can provide references, say you can move immediately.

    A LL is looking for an issue free tenancy and its quite easy to stand out if you know you are offering the LL a tenant that will not be a burden.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,565 ✭✭✭✭con747


    Going by what the OP said on the other thread the OP started I'm not quite sure the letting company will oblige with a glowing reference.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,800 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Genuine question:
    How exactly does a tenant end up with "irreconcilable personal differences" with a letting agent?

    You're not housemates. You're not married. The agent collects rent and deals with repairs, it's usually a pretty transactional relationship.

    Unless there were repeated arguments, boundary issues, or emails laced with tone, it's hard to see how it could escalate that far. And if it did, it's hard to believe it had “nothing to do with you as a tenant.”

    You’re painting it like you were just minding your own business and this agent developed a vendetta out of nowhere. That doesn’t really hold water.

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Maybe you can take the agent to AI Court?

    On a more serious note, As per your other thread, you need to focus your efforts on finding accommodation and don’t leave it until the last minute.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,316 ✭✭✭✭the_amazing_raisin


    Correction, you typed a question into a text prediction engine with no underlying understanding of the question being asked and took the answer at face value

    You would have been better off asking the drunkest person in your local pub

    Stop asking the fake conversation generator for answers and talk to an actual human being with actual training and experience on the topic

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭GalaxyRyder


    The "letting agent" works for a broker.

    It's the broker whom I've had some long standing personal differences with, which may have come to a head recently.

    I challenged an authoritative body he was formerly a member of, at one point the chair of, on a very sensitive subject. Namely housing allocation in this very sensitive time as to who gets what.

    I heavily and vehemently questioned their competence and in some respects, fitness to practice.

    I had done this in the past, but never as forthrightly as recently.

    I can only assume he "saw red" cause one week later I received a letter of termination in the mail.

    It's possible that was coincidence, but I find that hard to believe as I was assured at the time of my taking up residence, that the landlord had no intention to sell for the foreseeable future.

    My running hypothesis is that my very public and discourteous comments made the broker hyper mad, such that he basically wanted to let me know who was in charge, so liaised with the landlord, assuring him that there was no better place for me than to be turfed out, thus convincing him he should sign an "intent to sell" document (albeit spurious) and serve me notice.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,800 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Alright, let’s play along with your scenario.

    Let’s say the broker did take your public comments personally. Let’s say he got in the ear of the letting agent, who in turn spoke to the landlord. The landlord, despite previously having “no intention to sell,” was suddenly convinced to sign a statutory declaration and turf you out, all because of your very public criticism.

    Even if that whole domino chain is true, what exactly did you expect would happen when you admit, in your own words, to making “very public and discourteous comments” about someone connected to your tenancy?

    That’s not civic bravery, that’s ego mixed with short-sightedness.

    You weren't challenging policy, you were going after a guy with a grudge and a connection to your roof. And instead of stepping back, you doubled down, loudly and personally.

    You’re not a victim of injustice here. You’re a guy who publicly insulted someone who still had soft power in your life, and got burned. That’s not conspiracy, that’s consequence.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,623 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    The answer to both questions asked in the original post is yes.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭GalaxyRyder


    Because the dude HAD been in a position of authority.

    Far as I was aware he now acts exclusively as a real estate broker, but based on these latest series of events, it seems he may still have some involvement in that area.

    That is to say, never in my wildest dreams did I believe the info would get back to him, that he would take it personally, or ultimately respond as I hypothesize he has.

    As to the situation, there was one of two options.

    I have experienced for an extended time, intractable anti-social activity coming from a specific area for which the authority, that the broker in question was formerly the chair of, is almost solely responsible for.

    This has been going on and on and on, and ultimately I needed to vent so did so. Perhaps without the relevant foresight but unfortunately at this stage the dye has been cast.

    And just FYI, I didn't mention the brokers name of course, I just mentioned the board or authority for which he had prior responsibility. How was I to know he'd take it so personally?

    Nor was my action intended to reflect civic-bravery. It was an inability to longer contain the acute frustration experienced at the hands of a bunch of heinous delinquents.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭GalaxyRyder


    And nothing in the way of recourse for the tenant?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 28,180 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    The tenant could sue for damaged for wrongful breach of contract.

    But the evidentiary burden would be high. To succeed, it's not enough to show that the landlord didn't, in the event, sell the property; you have to show that at the time of he gave notice the landlord did not intend to sell the property. And the burden of proof would be on the tenant to show that the landlord lacked the required intention, not on the landlord to show that he had it. Unless you find a smoking gun (e.g. an email from the agent to the landord saying "GalaxyRyder is a complete and utter pain and here is a strategy for getting rid of him and bringing in a more biddable tenant" and a reply from the landlord saying "Genius! Go ahead and do it!" I think it would be a hard case to win.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭GalaxyRyder


    In my dealings with the RTB prior, that's basically what they outlined to me also.

    Opening a dispute without something extremely concrete they can work with would it seem, primarily serve to completely turn both the agent and LL against me, entirely scuttling any possibility they may help me with subsequent accommodational needs.

    This type of evidence is obviously impossible to acquire. A savvy agent and/or broker is going to cover their tracks to ensure no slip ups in this capacity.

    Naturally none of this leaves me in an ideal position.

    With all that being said, if lack of genuine intent was present and proved, the penalties aren't inconsequential?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,800 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Or maybe, just maybe, there’s no evidence because nothing wrong actually happened.

    No vendetta, no collusion, no injustice.

    You were served a valid notice, like thousands of other tenants. The rest is a story you’ve built around your own assumptions and frustration.

    Not everything that feels unfair is a conspiracy. Sometimes it’s just life moving on, whether you're ready or not.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,304 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    What kind of recourse if the landlord isn’t breaking any rules? As your tenancy started three and a half years ago, ie before June 22, it runs for a six year period only - it is not an unlimited tenancy - so the landlord has the option not to renew it. If the landlord didn’t want to continue your tenancy just because you had a disagreement with the estate agent, it would be much more straightforward for him to wait and issue the required notice when your part4 tenancy is coming to an end. In that situation there is no need to rely on reasons of sale, family use etc. It seems very likely your landlord does want to sell and there is nothing sinister going on.

    Getting a notice of termination is very difficult when there are so few rentals available - it’s an awful situation to be in. However, it’s a sellers market right now plus the constant rule changes for landlords doesn't help to keep them in the rental market and they are selling up now because more new rules and restrictions are being introduced next year.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,623 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Your objective was some form of punitive measure against the broker. You mislead it's saying it's with agent.

    The only punitive measure you'll get its a fine against the Landlord. Which will be pocket money to them. But you'll lose your gaff.

    So you'll got what you wanted. Punitive action against the broker.

    From their point of a view a fine is a cheap solution to any potential trouble with you in the future.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭GalaxyRyder


    If that in fact is the case, I'd actually make peace with it.

    It's just the possibility of getting lampooned or f**ked over, that I can't stomach.

    It's not for sure, but not outside the realms of possibility either.

    At the moment I am merely contemplating (or scrutinizing) the "ifs".

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,623 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    From what you've described your tenancy was invisible to them. Until you made it an issue. They've decided to call quits before it escalates.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,306 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    Or, y'know, perhaps the OP is putting 2+2 together and getting 17, and the landlord is actually just selling the house 🤷‍♀️

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭csirl


    Is the following correct?

    You complained to an organisation the LL used to be Chair of?

    Unlikely that any organisatiion would give details of a complaint to a former Chair. Even more unlikely they would disclise the complainants name/details (GDPR etc). I think you're clutching at straws here.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,623 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Doesn't really matter. In the time frame the landlord has to sell they might change their mind, or it might not sell, offers might fall through. Takes 3-9 months to sell a place, or just put the price too high. You'll get no offers.

    Impossible to prove.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,800 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    You seem like a decent guy, so take this as solid advice, not an attack.

    Cop onto yourself.

    You’re coming across like you believe you’re the focal point in these people’s lives, that the broker, the letting agent, and the landlord are all somehow collaborating in a long-game vendetta against you.

    The truth is, they probably don’t care that much. You’re one tenant in a file. They’re busy people with other priorities, not characters in your personal grievance arc.

    Sometimes the hardest pill to swallow isn’t that you’ve been wronged, it’s that no one was thinking about you that deeply in the first place.

    Let it go, and get on with your life. You’ll be better off for it.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,474 ✭✭✭JVince


    WOW

    Sorry OP, but this is EXACTLY the type of tenant a LL doesn't want.

    "Falling out" with a property agent then creating conspiracy theories and then thinking that AI is going to give you credible correct answers. WOW. No thanks.

    If you ask AI if the common cold can kill you, AI will create an answer that will tell you that Yes, the common cold can kill you.

    Common sense says it won't

    Use common sense

    Think - The LL has given you SIX months. That's over 3 months MORE than you are entitled to. The LL has been very fair in the length of notice. Remember, LLs have a huge choice of who to rent to - they will insist on references. So you have cut off a primary cog in getting a new property.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭GalaxyRyder


    I'm into part 4 tenancy, meaning I have 180 days, which is what I've been given.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,032 ✭✭✭Claw Hammer


    Your choices are to move out or play the legal game for as long as you fell it is worthwhile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,304 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Wouldn’t OP be unwise to go down that road when the NoT seems to be valid, ie. he got the correct number of days notice and a properly signed statutory declaration. Any landlords in future can view details of RTB cases online to screen potential tenants and spurious game playing by a tenant would raise a red flag. Also most landlords look for a reference from a previous landlord. Fat chance of getting a positive reference from a landlord that’s been messed around if they did everything by the book.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭GalaxyRyder


    Of course, all true.

    Which is why I'm scrutinizing the "ifs" at present, just to suss out if there are in fact games being played.

    Who knows?

    Localities work in funny ways, folks communicate behind the scenes.

    It's no harm to consider these things.

    Applying for a dispute at present would almost certainly be an obscenely self-compromising course of action, not least of all as the RTB don't perform an investigation, they only go on what you give them.

    At the moment all I can give them is a legitimate notice of termination signed by an authorized notary, not strong evidence in my favour.



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