Served notice of termination, now what?

Claw Hammer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123651469#Comment_123651469

Whether the NOT is valid or not makes no difference. Even challenging an invalid notice will mean no reference!The o/p doesn't seem to understand how to play the game. Tenants can drag ot out for years if they know what they are dponf.

spaceHopper

It's hard to follow what you've typed.

My understand is,

You are renting a place

You would like to stay there

There are no major problems with the proprty

You picked a fight with the rental agent over something else

The Landlord has served papers via the agent that they are selling.

Even if he's not you've done this to yourself. You picked a fight with the EA and from the sound of it they see too many red flags in you and want you gone. Maybe you were the straw that broke the LL's back and made them decide to sell up.

Anyway, you were the author of your own demise. What I would do is while they still need you to move out is get written reference from them as you'll need it and start looking. As soon as they have you out, you'll never get anything but cold reference from them.

spaceHopper

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123650035#Comment_123650035

That must be also most up have you found somewhere?

alias no.9

At the end of the day, the reason why the landlord chooses to sell are irrelevant, all that's required is an intention to sell.

Even if the landlord was swayed by the agent based on a malign motive, there is zero recourse in the instance that the landlord follows through and sells the property.

Focus on securing a new place to live.

GalaxyRyder

It's been three and a half weeks since I received notice of termination.

I still haven't received verification from the RTB.

I contacted them about two weeks ago and they said they don't have anything on record, but it's routine for them to mail verification to myself typically within ten to fourteen days.

What now?

I can't imagine opening a dispute is going to help matters, perhaps touch base with the agency?

Though if I leave it longer, that means I'll be able to keep this roof over my head longer, right? (provided I question it within 90 days?)

mountain

is there a Walter Mitty forum on boards?

con747

Some people just won't listen to good advice.

SupaCat95

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123655583#Comment_123655583

Yeah that basically sums it up for me too.

I dont think the OP was the cause of the landlord selling up but I do think the tax, RPZ, RTB, new legislation on the way etc etc caused the Landlord to sell up. I think the Landlord has been very fair to you and rather than planning logically a new place you have picked to fight that you cannot win. Eventually you will be evicted without a reference if you pursue this path.

Do the smart thing and start looking for a new place or try and get a log cabin on a site until things look clearer.

GalaxyRyder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123707807#Comment_123707807

This comment is based on what exactly?

Is it not standard protocol to receive confirmation from the RTB?

What are you guys alluding to?

If I don't receive RTB confirmation they've received the termination notice, I should ignore that and just assume it's valid anyways?

DarkJager21

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123645848#Comment_123645848

How do you create "irreconcilable personal differences" with a landlord?? Just curious as renting is an act of paying money to "rent" a property from the person that owns it.

Did you decide on your own that the rent was unjuatified or did you **** his wife? Context is important

GalaxyRyder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123708059#Comment_123708059

Not the landlord, the dude who owns the brokerage, who obviously employs the rental agent.

He's a person of some authority, apparently (or had been in the past at least), and also one of those sensitive "alpha" types.

So I might have stepped on his toes, a few times, indirectly/unintentionally of course.

The last time I may have done so, I was served a notice of termination 9 days later………… coincidence?

Perhaps.

kabakuyu

Find yourself new digs or else you will be homeless.

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123708154#Comment_123708154

So some time in the past you had several disagreements with the Estate Agent who employs your letting agent. You also had a more recent incident. When you received a termination notice you jumped to the conclusion that the Estate Agent had convinced your landlord to say he is selling, just to get back at you.

It’s a very odd reaction unless there’s more to the story than you’ve said. Ridiculous to think the Estate Agent has so much influence that his client would sell his property to ease any discomfort or irritation on the EA’s part. EAs are professionals and regularly deal with all kinds of difficult people, it’s part of the job.

As others have said you need to stop hoping the RTB will find a reason to overturn the termination notice. The owner is selling up. Start looking for a new place to rent.

GalaxyRyder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123708282#Comment_123708282

Can I just say for the record?

I am looking for another place, meticulously. It is the first and last thing on my mind every day.

Duly noted. I am taking the termination notice seriously, and proceeding as such.

However at this particular juncture, the fact is I have not received RTB acknowledgement they have even received the notice, never mind it being filed on the same day (as is the stipulation).

I should simply disregard this and assume everything is still valid? (even though by law it's not, right?)

meijin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123708567#Comment_123708567

just file a dispute with RTB before the time limit is up; it will give you more time if needed, but hopefully you can find something before that

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123708567#Comment_123708567

You can easily check if the RTB received a copy of the termination notice, the landlord has to file it on the same day otherwise it is invalid. That would be the first thing to do imo. If they have not received a copy, file a dispute.

GalaxyRyder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123709255#Comment_123709255

That's my concern though, would filing a dispute not irritate both the LL and rental agent, hampering my chances of getting subsequent rental through them?

And how long do I have to file the dispute?

Checking the RTB received a copy, they already e-mailed me saying they see nothing on file for this address, and after three weeks I haven't received correspondence from them affirming notice was filed with them (which I understand is standard practice)?

mrslancaster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123709519#Comment_123709519

The time allowed to file a dispute is stated in the termination notice. Not sure what you mean by subsequent rentals unless your landlord has other properties to let? As for the EA, they obviously have other rentals and tenants are selected on a range of factors which generally includes references from previous landlords.

GalaxyRyder

I read on the notice that I have 28 days to file a dispute?

But recently that was extended to 90 days, "by law"?

I've actually allowed the 28 days to lapse, waiting for the RTB to send confirmation of receipt (which they haven't).

For clarity, it is now 90 days, right?

And a dispute is the correct way to manage this?

meijin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123723119#Comment_123723119

check the RTB website

any problem with the notice goes in your favour (although small mistakes might not be enough to make it invalid)

GalaxyRyder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123723134#Comment_123723134

Does that site display rental termination notices that have been received? (link for that section? I can't locate it)

The problem in this case seems to be the RTB haven't received the notice?

Let alone received it on the same day I did?

meijin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123723262#Comment_123723262

here are the guidelines: https://rtb.ie/renting/ending-a-tenancy/how-a-landlord-can-end-a-tenancy/

you care too much if RTB received it or not; it's not important at the moment; your job is not to make the notice valid

just write down all the issues and raise it in your dispute (opt out of "mediation")

if you're really serious, read relevant sections from https://revisedacts.lawreform.ie/eli/2004/act/27/revised/en/html as well, and RTB's previous decisions https://rtb.ie/disputes/dispute-outcomes-and-orders/adjudication-and-tribunal-orders/

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123723262#Comment_123723262

The RTB is a highly inefficient organisation. Try to use there online presence on a mobile phone it . They claim it works best with a labtop/computer but just about.

They take ages to process written documentation. I would say the RTB has received it but has not processed it. The amount of documentation its receives is mind boggling as all terminations and rent increases has to be notified to them. I think they do nothing with them until there is a dispute

JVince

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123723262#Comment_123723262

You are showing why you would be a nightmare tenant.

The notice must be "SENT" to the rtb at the same time.

"Same time" would allow a couple of days or more.

You trying to argue that the rtb did not get a notification at 9.47am when you got notification is just plain ridiculous.

You got served properly by what seems to be a professional landlord and agent who you have a history of issues with - self inflicted judging by your other thread.

mykrodot

Oh for God's sake maybe you should just (1) face consequences of your behaviour (2) face your responsibilities (3) get out when the 6 months is up and stop complaining!

How would you feel if you owned a house, let it out, had everything working in the house, were a decent landlord and then say one of your children needed money, or your wife was sick, or you were being made redundant……. and needed to sell that house.

You gave the correct notice and your d***head of a tenant opens a dispute based on nothing except his inability to act like a grown up?!!

Mellor

 hampering my chances of getting subsequent rental through them?

Surely the "irreconcilable personal differences" did that.

Trigger Happy

This thread is just nuts.

Its like the Titanic is sinking and instead of looking at the life boat situation you prefer to look into sending a telegram to the Board of Trade asking if the correct type of coal was been used.

GalaxyRyder

The RTB has not received the notice of termination, let alone it being submitted on the same day.

Is this typical in cases of termination?

GalaxyRyder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123724056#Comment_123724056

By "nothing" do you mean non-compliance with RTB regulation, and the law?

GalaxyRyder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123723999#Comment_123723999

It's been 30+ days since I received notice and the RTB still don't have anything. It's not like we're counting minutes here.

With all due respect sir, "nightmare tenant" my ass.

I am and always have been a model tenant, I can't think of a better one.