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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I hate the way there's no source given for the info, or for what the figures actually mean. By money spent? By weight? By calorie content?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,994 ✭✭✭Badly Drunk Boy


    I think it came from the below subscription site. I'm not a subscriber so I don't know the details.

    https://paddybarrett.substack.com/p/is-ultra-processed-food-really-that



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭minggatu


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,047 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Having seen the amount of charcuterie the Portuguese eat, I call bs on that figure!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,335 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


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    Map of people displaced following US "interventions" in countries post 11th September 2001.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    More than to cured meats (and I don't mean industrial sausages), I think they referred to junk food in general, ready meals, industrial baked goods from breads to biscuits, crisps, etc. Anything but stuff where you can recognise the original ingredients..

    Mind you, it's much easier to avoid ultra processed food if the shops actually sold a wider variety of fresh produce and ingredients and the prices were more affordable. The shelves in Ireland are full of major multinational brands, abroad you get a plethora of small businesses that produce and supply various foods, the choice is staggering.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,659 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    The figure for each country represents the percentage of "total purchased dietary energy", from household surveys.

    These are industrial formulations manufactured mostly or entirely from sugar, salt, oils and fats, starches and many substances derived from foods but not normally used in kitchens, and additives including those used to imitate the sensory qualities of natural foods or to disguise undesirable qualities of the final product.

    Ultra-processed foods include sweet, fatty or salty packaged snack products; ice cream, chocolate, candies; mass-produced packaged breads, cookies, pastries, cakes; breakfast cereals; ‘energy’ bars; preserves; margarines; carbonated drinks, ‘energy’ drinks; milk drinks, including ‘fruit’ yoghurts; cocoa drinks; infant formulas, follow-on milks, other baby products; ‘health’ and ‘slimming’ products such as powdered or ‘fortified’ meal and dish substitutes; and many ready-to-heat products including pre-prepared pies and pizza dishes, burgers, hot dogs, poultry and fish ‘nuggets’, and other reconstituted meat products, and powdered and packaged soups, noodles and industrial desserts.

    (From the article to which Zell12 links.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,659 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Pretty much all supermarkets have fresh produce sections — fruit, veg, meat — and also sections where you can buy ingredients to cook with yourself — flour, oil, etc. And it's generally cheaper to feed yourself from these food classes than from ultra-processed food.

    The truth is that the main reason we buy ultra-processed foods is not that we don't have options; it's the convenience; we are too tired, or too short of time. Also, the (superficial) deliciousness of foods that are high in fat, salt and sugar. (It's thought that the reason that consumption of ultra-processed foods is correlated with obesity rates is not that ultra-processsed foods are inherently more fattening, gram for gram; it's that we tend to eat more when we are served a diet high in ultra-processed foods.)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,016 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    Ireland needs to be separated from northern ireland . I was watching Countdown ( presented by Colin Murray ) who in a proud tone was saying Halloween was an Irish thing , or as he called it Sam Hain . I winced .

    I've met alot of Northern lads who look up Irish things but don't know the pronunciations

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,781 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    Meats which are simply cured are not regarded as UPF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,659 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Most cured meats are graded as ultra-processed. If the meat is cured simply by drying, smoking and/or salting, then it's processed, but not ultra-processed. Prosciutto, artisanal bresaola and indeed ordinary ham would be examples of this. But if the processing involves sugar, nitrates, emulsifiers, stabilisers, flavour enhancers, colourings, etc then it's going to be classed as ultra-processed. Probably the bulk of cured meats that you find in a typical supermarket are ultra-processed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,047 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    But sausages are. And it's mostly sausage they're eating. Not air cured acorn-fed iberico

    Their national dish is a sandwich with processed sliced ham, steak, and two types of sausages, covered in easy melt cheese with an egg on top and a sauce made with lager!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    I did have a suprise years ago in a restaurant in Lisbon, when I saw there was a side dish of chorizo for a few euro, so I ordered it thinking it might be diced and fried, or some slices maybe. Reader, it was the entire sausage.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,898 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    You'd think that solar panels would be a no-brainer in the redder areas

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,099 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Worth noting that the colours kinda exaggerate the scales involved. The scale maxes out at 3 but the vast majority of the country is above 2.4, which is a difference of just 20%.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭minggatu


    Map of tropical storms, 1848–2013

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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 13,684 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Hours of daylight on our planet at Summer solstice, June 21st.

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    Tehran metro system compared to the "metro" of Los Angeles

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    Cock-a-doodle doo - the call of the rooster - in different European languages

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,016 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


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    The Pentathlon of Ulster .

    Red is by James I ( vi of Scotland ) orange is privately planted .

    Ulster was the most Gaelic province with alliances with Scottish Gaels so it was divide and conquer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,781 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    You’d be stretching the truth quite a bit to describe a francesinha as Portugal’s national dish. Like most peasant cuisines, there are a lot of preserved foods from salt cod through cured meats etc. that’s not unusual in a country which has some of the lowest income levels in Europe. Their ordinary cooked ham is like Irish ham of the 1970s, minced up, reformed and sold. Many of the traditional sausages are simply cured though. They would not have a German level of processed sausage for example, paste tubes of mechanically recovered meat with artificial colourings etc. They couldn’t afford the expense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,047 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I'm still calling bs on the UPF figure being that low. Traditional food is traditional, what they actually eat now is shockingly processed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,781 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    traditionally, most meat we ate (or fish) was heavily salted or cured. True UPF is using more refined preservatives, additives and colouring.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,047 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Its a country where breakfast is some heavily processed cheese with some heavily processed ham with some oil based product resembling "butter" in an incredibly white, Chorleywood process long life roll; and where lunch and dinner comes with frozen chips; all washed down with small but constant volumes of macro lager from a division of Heineken or a division of Carlsberg. It is a shocking unhealthy diet.

    It's not 10%. Something is being underreported or misreported to get that figure; lots of somethings realistically.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,781 ✭✭✭✭Marcusm


    The Chroleywood process does not require significant amounts of elements consistent with UPF, it’s a mechanic to get the yeast acting. Most Portuguese bread rolls are stale within a day. The Bimbo bread lasts a fair while but I would say that is a smaller fraction of Portuguese bread than Brennan’s is in Ireland. Are the macro-lagers UPFs or is that just a classist comment? You won’t find significant processed vegetables, a lower percentage of frozen or processed foods than in equivalent Irish supermarkets. I have no idea how the data is compiled but I would suggest that absent the cheese and ham which is like Galtee/Calvita and ham from the 70s, I’d say the average meal contains fewer UPfs than an Irish equivalent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,047 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Fewer than Ireland would not mean that 10% isn't absolute fantasy!

    And realistically, from my experience, I believe the diet there is vastly worse than here. This isn't based on going to some tourist resort full of, well, Irish people on holiday either.

    A few less processed vegetables doesn't make up for the sheer volume of crap bread, cured meat and chips that get wolfed down.



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,850 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Portugals national dish is salt cod. Also processed 🙂

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    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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