Noel Kelly and Tubridy submit data request

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His reasoning … I am going to sue and if I fail to win that I won't return the 150k, if I do win well what ever I get can be -150k.

He is certainly not helping his reputation.

I'm struggling to remember exactly but was the return of the 150k a condition of his revised radio contract (before that deal went 'tits up' due to Tubridy refusing to withdraw social media comments). Or had he agreed to return it regardless?

I'm wondering if he's withholding it as some kind of leverage. The likelihood of him returning to RTE.. particularly in light of him pursuing possible legal action.. well, that ship has not only sailed, it's far over the horizon!

one Quisling meets another!

Lets get real here. RTE is the only show in town. If he pulled his clients two things would happen.

• Guest bookers would have to stop using his clients as a crutch. Something like the LLS would change tack. Back to getting touring book authors, "uk celebs", poltical debates and probably lots of influencer shite.
• NK management will see an exodus of "talent". If you are relying on appearing on LLS six or seven times a year, along with one or two building shows on RTE. You income dries up, and you move to another agent. Virgin Media and not going to fill that void.

No one is asking them to do it for less then 50k and a bag of crisps.

There are a lot of people who there would kill for a presenting job. But RTE are largely a closed shop. Very hard to get into even with experience. I will agree that it is work some people can do and some people cannot. But a lot of the RTE top tier talent are not actually that talented. They have years of experience. But it is all at RTE.

Look at Kielty he has years of experience at the BBC, and he is doing LLS for a lot less then Tubs.

There are weekend presnters on RTE radio making a almost a quarter of a million euros for four hours of broadcasting. With almost no real experience in broadcasting.

It is not value for money.

Quite surprised that 55% of people polled in a Sunday Indo poll want Tubs to give back the 150k, while just 12% would like to see him host Liveline.

It's probably time that RTE compensated him for welshing on his contract too. Because, mark my words, if they don't settle out of court then the chaps in the wigs and gowns are likely to take RTE to the cleaners. And the taxpayer will end up footing the bill.

I wonder how often he was given a loyalty fee at the end of each contract prior to that, I wonder how they'd feel if they know Pat Kenny in his final year took a massive exit fee before moving on to NewsTALK.

I wonder if you consider that RTÉ and their talent basically used the exit fee to suggest over the years that they were taking bigger cuts than they actually were and that was why it was used, away to say in year one and two they took a cut, and then an exit fee was spread across 3 years to make it look like they had taken a bigger cut than they actually had.

I think people just don't have sympathy for people who earn lots of money and who don't seem content with their lot.

We should really breakdown the 2 contracts: -

Contract 1

In renegotiation the second contract Tubs dropped is loyalty fee of €120k, figures below exclude this loyalty fee

2015 - 495

2016- 495

2017 - 512

2018 - 545

2019 - 545

Contract 2

The new contract brough Tubs salary down in 2020 to €466k, however the contract also included the Renault Deal, worth €206k. In effect is to suggest that tubs takes a significant cut of nearly €100k but actually he only take a €20k reduction in 2020, followed by 8k in 2021, with no drop in 2022, now the drop in 2021 was suggest as being 16k.

Then Tubs resigns from the late late show in 2023 and this leads to RTÉ saying the contract must be renegotiated and then of course Tubs never signs a contract…

We do not know if Contract 2 had a loyalty fee of €120k

2020 - 523

2021 - 515

2022 - 515

2023 - 349

Now lets say Tubs had stayed on as host of TLLS and finish his contract out and also got a loyalty fee at the end

2023 - 440 (based on the reduction reported for 2022 ex the Renault fee which came to an end in any case by 2022).

2024 - 560 (if a loyalty bonus is included)

Contract 1 - total - 2.592m (ex loyalty fee)

Contract 2 - total - 2.553m (hypothetically if he'd stayed as TLLS host and finished the contract with a loyalty fee)

This is a reduction of just 40k over the 5 years.

As I say in 2009 RTÉ wanted to suggest it would reduce its top 10 stars pay by 40% during the crash but they were moving the goal posts mainly meeting the targets because of Deaths and Exits, rather then good negotiating skills.

Where did he state that?

There was a loyalty fee but as part of his renegotiation of the second contract he kindly decided not to claim the loyalty fee.

RTÉ assumed they had added the loyalty fee to the figures they were about to release and upon hearing that he'd kindly decided not to claim the fee RTÉ subtracted the fee thinking they had already added the fee. In actual fact RTÉ had not yet added the fee and end up publishing a much lower figure.

Pat Kenny final pay of 728k in 2013 included the full amount not spread across 3 years. He would start working in Newstalk in September of that year, so that about 100k per month.