Noel Kelly and Tubridy submit data request

odyssey06

Very strange to be burned out from a presenting a TV show that runs for a little less than half the year - 22(?) weeks… versus a daily breakfast radio show.

If Kielty said it, you'd put it down to his travel \ commute setup. That doesn't apply here.

Peter Dragon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123422288#Comment_123422288

If you recall the timing Tubridy’s stepping back announcement came in the very same week that the auditors notified the RTE Chair/Exec of the irregular payments - that’s just a coincidence of course.

Dee Forbes couldn’t possibly have relayed this information to Tubridy’s agent because they never even had a cup of tea together and he didn’t even have her phone number (as per his evidence to the Oireachtas Committee). Imagine being the MD of a company who rely largely on one company for your income and not having the person who is in charge of that company’s mobile phone number - sounds credible to me anyway.

hawley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123422288#Comment_123422288

It was a lot more than 22. Think that it was around 37 episodes per season when he left. Patrick Kielty is doing a lot less than that. He became a father figure for people during Covid. People who couldn't leave the house or were scared of the impact on their health. I wonder if this will form part of his case. Also Covid would have lessened the possibility of him performing his gigs for Renault.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123422344#Comment_123422344

It doesn't add up though. If RTE were ok with 22 episodes with Kielty, Tubridy could have gone to them to negotiate a similar deal, and free up time (and even Friday Night airtime) for other projects.

It's getting hard enough for RTE to fill content for 22 Late Late Shows as it is.

hawley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123422362#Comment_123422362

I didn't realise that Kielty is only presenting twenty two shows. Ryan is now presenting for fifteen hours per week and he seems full of energy. Plus he's training for a marathon. Maybe he was just mentally exhausted from being in RTE. Something that he actually needed and what Sinead called his God in a hoodie moment. Pity he didn't get to carry on his friendship with Sinead in London.

hotmail.com

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123422398#Comment_123422398

Presenting a music programme 3 hours a day isn't hard work. No wonder he has so much time and energy for other things.

RoTelly

@kippy

Just to mention that they are all on 3 to 5 year contacts, Tubs was 3 years into his contract when he decided to step down from TLLS, this was one of the reason RTÉ want to renegiotate and they said by stepping down from TLLS he was breaking the current contract and a new one would have to be signed.

This idea of a yearly contract was always a lie by RTÉ and the top ten earners, Pat Kenny's last 5 years saw him get a loyalt fee when he left for NewsTALK, its all built into their contracts.

RTÉ board meeting

Director General: How do we get it to look like we are cutting the top ten earns wages.

Executive: We could give them 5 year contracts at a low rate but then give them a loyalty fee at the end of the 5 years.

Exectuive: and if we alternate each contract, one year one will get the bonus the next it will be someone else.

Director General: We could also at time spread the bonus across 3 or 4 years so that the final figure doesn't look as big

Executive: yeah we just hold off publishing the top ten earners and keep it to 3 years in a row, rather than yearly publication.

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123422344#Comment_123422344

Yeah its 35 / 37, PK I think is 30 in all, with 3 pre-recorded.

odyssey06

Weird, when I googled it it came up with 22 episodes!

Peter Dragon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123422537#Comment_123422537

The devil is in the detail. The quoted figures were always topline - I’d be more interested in the fee per show as that’s where you’ll really see the actual cost.

There are other ways to create the appearance of a reduction……reduce the overall figure slightly (say 5-10%) but simultaneously reduce the no. of shows you’re required to present by a higher % and you’re now getting more money per show you present…..as well as more time off.

How do you feel about a 5% reduction in fees for 20% less work? Sign me up please - and I’m not on €400k

HazeDoll

So Tubridy makes the children of Ireland giddy with excitement and became a father figure during covid? This is such a weird take on a very average charmless man.

limnam

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123373974#Comment_123373974

does he not present on Q102/96FM etc?

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123422580#Comment_123422580

I get wiki and it quotes https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2023/08/17/late-late-show-trims-its-broadcast-slot-to-90-minutes/

RTÉ's traditional year runs from Sept to Oct, remember when Marian, Gay and Pat would be off on holiers for the months of June July August, their part time day time show is due to leave the air way this month until October. While the news will start seeing a slow exodus for the summer.

hawley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123422916#Comment_123422916

“Everywhere I go children recognise me as the toy man. I was in St Finian’s School in Finglas the other day, and you could see their eyes go wide.”

The gaggle of journalists gathered in the green room of RTÉ’s television studio to preview the set of the Toy Show, however, could not be more interested in the man, who was swept into the room with a dramatic “Ladies and gentleman… Ryan Tubridy!” like he was the president of the United States.

https://www.thejournal.ie/late-late-toy-show-17-5929126-Nov2022/

Hardly that unusual. Children were genuinely excited to see him and associated him with the Toy Show. His speeches played an important part in reassuring people during Covid.

HazeDoll

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“Everywhere I go children recognise me as the toy man. I was in St Finian’s School in Finglas the other day, and you could see their eyes go wide.”

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He's self-reporting fame and adulation and you're citing it as evidence of his magnetic personality?

Well, in that case you might be interested to know that everywhere I go people tell me I should be a supermodel.

hawley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123423385#Comment_123423385

The other example in the article was the reaction of journalists to him entering the room. Looking back it seems a bit surreal, but there was a time, only recently, that he was revered in this country. We all got caught up in his persona of the Toyman.

HazeDoll

No.

No he wasn't.

No we didn't.

It's starting to look very, very strange though. Your need to believe that he is something special. Very strange.

hawley

Not saying that it was everyone but journalists and children definitely got caught up in his persona of the Toyman. RTE management were in thrall to him and he probably used the success of the Toy Show to bargain with. No, I agree with you that he was overrated in Ireland and that people got carried away with his performances. Read any of the media reviews after one of the Toy Shows and they are all fawning over him.

Peter Dragon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123423469#Comment_123423469

well this piece seems to indicate how important he was to the children of Ireland, and also shows how kind and thoughtful Ryan is:

https://evoke.ie/2020/04/07/entertainment/toy-man-is-fine-says-ryan-tubridy

It’s an entirely factual piece and not a puff piece/press release written to make him look good and build on the brand……and if you believe that…..Here’s another one:

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1180561/

Bar himself, I never heard one person refer to him as The Toyman. It was memorably part of a Callan’s Kicks sketch around the time of the scandal when he was mentioned as “Ryan Tubridy, labeled The Toyman by himself….and no one else”. All part of the manufactured brand. The Toyman has now morphed into The Bookman which as recently as last week morphed into The Book Doctor.

His radio show is an enjoyable listen though so maybe he should just stick to that?

tom23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123423405#Comment_123423405

what’s this ‘we’ business, I know very few people that rate that man. very very few.

Peter Dragon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123423385#Comment_123423385

He’s recognised all over world…..according to himself:

https://m.sundayworld.com/showbiz/irish-showbiz/ryan-tubridy-says-there-is-no-escape-from-fans-as-he-is-recognised-all-over-the-world/152416679.html

There’s a very funny Gift Grub Sketch about this where they rightfully extract the urine for his comments on that article. Hardly a week went by without a puff piece to tell us how wonderful Ryan was, how generous he was, how kind he was etc…….all written in the same style as all the other puff pieces written about the clients of his agent.

Anyway, focusing on the positive bit, his radio show is about to start and I’m off to listen to it. It really is an uplifting listen, highly recommended. When you take the exaggerated nonsense like in those puff pieces away Ryan is a nice guy with a lovely radio show.

hawley

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123424486#Comment_123424486

I've been critical of him, in the past, but he's doing a good job on Virgin. He has managed to make a connection with the British public and has cut out references to Ireland. Wogan did the same. He played on his Oirish charm, but it was very much aimed at middle England. If you listened to him on the Full Irish, it's very much a return to those days; more banter and lighthearted entertainment. He obviously feels that he has suffered reputational damage from how RTE handled the inquiry into the barter account payments.

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123424486#Comment_123424486

you should search how the media fawn over Irish celebrities, RSVP, Xtra, Joe, Her, even the indo and the times do it at times.

There seems to be a market for them. Take a look at magazine section in your local newsagent. I am still trying to figure out how any of them get the publicity they do.

I am reminded of

Peter Dragon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123424839#Comment_123424839

It’s laziness. Why research and write a piece when you can just take the press release you’ve been emailed and add your name to it.

tom23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123424828#Comment_123424828

Best of luck to him. But I hope I never see him on Irish TV at the expense of Tv License Taxpayers money. He was mediocre at best. I have no desire to listen to his Radio Show either. Life is to short.

head82

I'm wondering if this Data request is some sort of precursor to a book Ryan might have in the pipeline. A memoir perhaps. Obtaining internal RTE documents in the hope that information contained therein might contribute to exonerating him from any part in the scandal. I'm sure it needles him the perception the Irish public have of him since. Such is his ego.

I find it hard to believe the request is for the purpose of a legal 'reputational damage' case against RTE. It would be a very risky.. not to mention costly.. route to pursue. Regardless of whether he won or lost the case, it still won't grant him access to the hallowed halls of Montrose.

RoTelly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123425087#Comment_123425087

The problem he has with reputational damage is that he'd have to admit that there was a major amount of it, after all he sits down with the great and the good of Ireland in a podcast while having a daily radio show, the judge might turn around and say it hasn't effected his reputation.