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Gript-A source of misinformation. **Read OP before posting**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,053 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,222 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Wheres there article on the sentencing of Satchwell?

    Surely a news site would cover that no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,710 ✭✭✭Rocket_GD


    Post edited by Rocket_GD on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,701 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Talking about race-baiting, I wonder if this new documentary will go with the line that the first inhabitants here were black.

    https://www.binnews.com/content/2022-05-05-researchers-say-prehistoric-irish-people-were-black-had-blue-eyes/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,881 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    A news site would, yes.

    A propaganda outlet not so much.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,289 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Coppinger is hysterical over on X because McGuirk was on VM1 last night.

    But of course the comments are turned off so its just her minions who can give their opinion.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,222 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Still waiting for Gript to cover Satchwell......"invalid" my arsè.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,053 ✭✭✭✭Snake Plisken


    maybe they will maybe they won't JP, we will see if it's covered on the weekly podcast. 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,222 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    So they dont report actual news then good you admit it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 855 ✭✭✭cheese sandwich


    McGuirk v Coppinger…if only they could both lose



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,590 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    I'd imagine well over half of boards users have a third level education. Isn't it an indictment on the quality of that education that people are still so closed minded that they think we shouldn't know what our enemies are thinking, and that we shouldn't know about history. We should only consume information that was written by the 'good guys' and by who we are told are the good guys.

    They come into this thread after scrawling every inch of gript media and tell us not to read it. They tell us not to read history apart from the right perspectives.

    Are these the sort of people coming out of universities these days?

    I've never heard a wise man or woman scoff at the idea of consuming history from all available angles.

    It's very clear and obvious who wants to control what we know on this thread, and it's certainly not you, or anyone defending gript's right to exist, as far as I have read.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,203 ✭✭✭RobbieTheRobber


    Why do you have enemies?

    I don't consider other humans my enemies. I am not at war with anybody.

    Why is your post filed with anger and aggression to other humans.

    Do you consider other Irish people to be your enemies?

    Are they boards users you consider you enemies?

    Very violent concerning tone to this post.

    Most self proclaimed free speech absolutists are giant big whiny snowflakes!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,289 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    At least McGuirk puts on a suit when he goes on television.

    That fella from The Ditch who was on The Tonight Show last night looked like he just came out of a nightclub after drinking 15 pints.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,166 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Having an open mind just means giving every narrative and outlet a fair chance. It doesn't mean thinking uncritically.

    Gript has repeatedly shown itself to be a malevolent actor which spreads fake news, disinformation and lies in pursuit of a racist agenda while ruthlessly defending the corporate establishment.

    The fact that you can't engage logically but have to post hysterical as hominem attacks like this proves this point.

    Nobody can defend Gript logically so they spout the same debunked tropes over and over again while childishly boasting about handing their money to said grifters. It's a bit sad to be honest.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 160 ✭✭EmergencyExit


    The money i would have spent on the licence fee goes to Gript, they play a vital role in our nation at present by holding the people in Leinster House to account something that is sadly lacking in journalism these days.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭khamilton


    That's a long reply when you could have just written "I'm prone to conspiratorial thinking and don't want to admit it".

    Some basic errors and fallacies:

    1. Most university degrees don't actually teach critical thinking
    2. Gript aren't an 'enemy', they're just people who the education system has let down and have fallen to the perils of social media, and have realised they can gain something by preying on others like them.
    3. We don't need to read Gript to know how the far-right thinks or works, there's a strong pathology to it across Europe and North America. Of course, knowing that would involve actually reading useful information, synthesising knowledge, and gaining wisdom.
    4. Gript don't teach history and don't have any respectable historians on their staff to the best of my knowledge.
    5. The fact that you use the word 'consume' is important. You're tacitly admitting that you gorge on it uncritically. Yes, we shouldn't uncritically consume far-right nonsense. That's not the 'mainstream media' saying that, it's psychologists, sociologists, academics in general as well as anyone with a shred of empathy, compassion and wisdom.
    6. A parent telling their child they shouldn't be taking life-lessons from a friend who's already involved in gangland criminality and has been arrested and charged multiple times: You: "THE CHILD SHOULDN'T JUST LISTEN TO THE 'GOOD GUYS' AND BY WHO THEY'RE TOLD ARE THE GOOD GUYS". Someone going to genuine neo-nazi events: "THEY SHOULDN'T JUST LISTEN TO THE 'GOOD GUYS' AND BY WHO THEY'RE TOLD ARE THE GOOD GUYS".
    7. Gript isn't 'history', again. Do you not even know what history is? That would explain a lot.
    8. You've just plain never heard a wise man or woman (why not just 'person' or is that modern for you?) by the sounds of it.
    9. No-one is trying to 'control' you, that's the conspiratorial thinking again.

    The good news is, the underlying factors that lead to conspiratorial thinking are things that respond well to therapy, just as an FYI. Interestingly, so are the underlying traits that lead to far-right support.

    https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2023/06/why-people-believe-conspiracy-theories

    https://www.sv.uio.no/c-rex/english/resources/key-consepts-and-questions/what-are-the-psychological-characteristics-of-people-holding-far-right-beliefs.html

    Mod Edit: Warned for attacking the poster

    Post edited by Necro on


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,166 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Excellent post.

    The only publication I pay for is The Economist, an unapologetically neoliberal, Thatcherite/Reaganite publication. I'm not a neoliberal but it's sufficiently well written and researched that I think it is worth both reading and paying for. They dismantled the "arguments" for Brexit in October 2015, before Farage & co started trotting them out for instance.

    However, they've published their fair share of dreck. One piece once claimed that Gen Z is doing phenomenally well because the author went to a posh gig and saw a load of young people wearing expensive jewellry and clothes. Then of course, there is stuff like this:

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    It's a good publication but it's also owned by the Rothchilds so it should be treated with skepticism.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83 ✭✭khamilton


    I subscribe to the Irish Times even though they're a perpetual mouthpiece for Michael McDowell and pretty much anything anti-public transport, anti-cyclist and anti-SF. The difference is I don't believe they're on some sort of mission from God to save us from nefarious (but nebulous) masterminds trying to control us via the mainstream media - so I can disregard what I find biased or to be based on poor factual underpinnings (like pretty much anything by David McWilliams, sorry!), just as you do with The Economist. Financial Times is similar to The Economist in terms of a NeoLiberal bent but also posting really critical and informative pieces.


    Gript? No.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,166 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Interesting. I'm a tad embarassed to admit that I had to google Michael McDowell. Are they targetting middle class, suburb-dwellers? What's the rationale for being anti public transport? Is it neoliberalism as well?

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,063 ✭✭✭conorhal


    It's actually hilarious to watch this thread, and a bunch of loons freaking out about a glorified blog, all because they can't even countenance the thought that the government and a mere 99% of the media outlets fully support their cracked ideology.
    Imagine how little genuine belief these people must have in that ideology, if they lose their mind about a tiny outlet like Gript, which clearly must be destroyed due to the threat a lone dissenting voice in the media presents to their grand project of deconstructing this nation. This would suggest to me that their belief that they are on the 'right side of history' can't really be all that strong. Not if a dissenting opinion from a glorified blog presents such an existential threat.

    Mod Edit: Warned for being a dick



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,590 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    They have a weekly column from Breda O'Brien of the Iona "Instutute" as well, but I don't think that means they're targeting ultraconservative catholics…

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,143 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Ah here !!

    The bould Michael would be devastated to think someone hasn't heard of him 🙂

    Seriously though I find his column well worth a read.

    It's not that I always agree with him but he always has an interesting slant on things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,881 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Probably before your time, McDowell was part of one of the most loathsome political parties ever formed in the state. The so called "Progressive Democrats" were a Neo-liberal project who were wedded to privatisation. The damage to the public health system under his colleague Mary Harney is still being felt today.

    Thankfully that party died and good bloody riddance.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,166 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    There's a blast from the past. Last time I heard that name, someone in my lab class at University was praising Mary Harney because "She seems like she doesn't take sh*t from anyone".

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,222 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I love these kind of posts. I'd love to see an example of someone actually "freaking out".

    The majority just seem to be cringing at Gripts lack of even pretending to be legitimate, and laughing at those claiming Gript is some kind of bastion of free speech that has the government quaking in their boots.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,166 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    It's just owning the libs under a different guise. I always get the impression that the people who are so desperate to tell us that they help fund Gript do so just for attention.

    It's also telling that any form of dissent is framed as attack which, you know… isn't some kind of glaring red flag. It's similar to MAGA in the US but in this case it is a tiny Irish website that few people even know exists.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,148 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yes. A slant from the top 5% ;)

    I read him as well and it is interesting to see others on the paper dismantle his arguments.. or not sometimes .

    They have an interesting mix of opinions but there is a middle class left leaning ' slant ' I will admit , to editorials .

    On Gript , I don't object to them as long as people see it for what it is... a right wing conservative Catholic oriented blog and apply that lens to what they are reading. Opinion is heavily merged in what at first reading is meant to be "factual report" .

    Proper journalism usually separates the two .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Your very first point clearly shows you don't understand what I was talking about.

    Maybe you're in the minority who hasn't been to university because if you had been then you would know that a lot of critical thinking happens when students socialise, not necessarily in the classroom.

    Point 4 and 7 - you don't even seem to understand that I'm reply to another poster about an analogy.

    Point 6 - Again you seem to not understand my point about getting a rounded perspective on all matters, and have instead applied some bizarre situation about gangs in order to prove we shouldn't get a rounded view of the world.

    Point 8 - just looking for anything to misrepresent. Shows you are not sincerely having a discussion.

    Anyway, your post has been reported because I don't think it's civil to label posters or tell them they need therapy.

    You are on my ignore list too. So no need to waste your time.

    Mod Edit: Warning issued for backseat modding

    Post edited by Necro on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,366 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I wouldn't really have much interest in reading their content but surely they offer an intermediate between mainstream who are in step with the government and lunatics on Twitter.

    They clearly have an agenda and found a gap in the market.

    But it's better people get information off gript then off lunatics on Twitter who put spin on everything.



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