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Moderation of trans issue and terms

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,015 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    You're the one who uses those terms - shouldn't you be able to tell us?

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?” (JK Rowling)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,941 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    No, no, no, No! Quotes doesn't mean emphasis! We know your game.

    How thick do you think we are?

    Your comments are disingenuous.

    Im male. Heterosexual and white. Im obviously the enemy. Middle age grenade in there as well.

    I'd prefer to be called by my first name. No cis bs. So male. That fonz with you?



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    🥱🥱🥱

    Men don’t give birth. I don’t care what they want to otherwise call themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭archfi


    If this is the pinnacle of your examples of 'transphobia' on boards, well I think you should take your own advice and get back to your bank holiday as you've mentioned numerous times.

    A thing isn't what it says it is.

    A thing is what it does.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,009 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    Why would you think that would make you my enemy? Because I am open and supportive to the transgender community? Because I try to be an ally to all the LGBTQ community?

    I don't view those who don't support the transgender community as enemies. Unenlightened and sometimes cruel, yes. But enemies? No.

    Do you see transgender people and their allies as your enemy?

    And I'll call you whatever you want. 😊

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,288 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I've already been very clear about what I think, but I'll say it again.

    Anyone can feel/believe that they are the opposite of what they were born as. That's their right, their decision.

    However feeling/saying something doesn't automatically make it so, and in this case there's the undeniable facts of biology and individual history to consider.

    I don't really care what someone believes (whether it's identity, religion or whatever) so long as those beliefs don't cross into a false sense of entitlement or idea that just because they feel/believe something, it therefore is - especially given that the aforementioned facts don't support it - or that other people should validate their beliefs/feelings or modify their own value structure to accommodate it, or that they should meekly accept the false equivalence tactics employed by ideologues if they fundamentally don't agree with it.

    If those others CHOOSE to do so however then fair enough as that too is an individual choice/decision.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,327 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    What's a cisgender woman?

    What type of woman does a person who feels like a woman but has been born a biological male want to be?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,646 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,941 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    And here we go.

    I'll put my cards on the table.

    I go with the fonz protocol. You cool, I'm cool so.

    This war between people, I don't give a beep.

    Cock and balls, vagina…I'm counting how many beeps I give. The answer is zero.

    If you want to divide us, that's your problem. If you want to be called something let me know. Absolutely no problem. Im close to 50 and my don't give a beep dna is kicking on. I honestly don't care. But! If I give you respect, I expect it returned.

    Now! Call me male. Never call a male or a woman cis. Can you do that?

    Commenting on the post not the poster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    Trans men are not men (hint, the clue is in the name) so the point is 100% accurate, men cannot give birth. Trans men can however.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,222 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    That seems the big elephant in the room when it comes to accepting LGB its just a matter of you deciding not to be a cùnt. And then verything is grand.

    But with the T it requires a never ending code of language, rules and regulations that a person MUST obey lest they be a TERF/Transphobe.

    I can see why some LGB groups are trying to separate from the more militant T-members. For T it requires such a ridiculous amount of changing ones own behaviour I think most people just couldn't be fúcked trying. Most folk wouldn't be bigoted or have anything against T, its just calling a woman a woman is transphobic unless you call a ciswoman a ciswoman now so again people just can't be fúcked with the lingustics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    There's no way Peggie can't win. The hospital violated their own procedures by suspending her without undergoing all the steps which would be required under their disciplinary procedures. I believe the HR in the hospital warned against it prior to her suspension but were ignored. Thus even if the allegations against her were correct she would have a case against NHS Fife for not suspending her without proper investigation. The allegations against her regarding patient care themselves seem to be fairly suspect, they are not corrobarated by anyone and were not raised by Dr Upton until after she made it known she was not comfortable changing in the same facility as Dr Upton. As regards to her discomfort about changing in the same facility as Dr Upton, the Supreme Court ruling in Scotland undoubtedly shows that the hospital misinterpreted the law by not allowing a single sex changing facility, so again her grievance should have been taken upheld by the hospital. I'm absolutely astonished at this stage that they have not moved to settle.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,697 ✭✭✭hometruths


    This would seem to make sense and thus it should not be deemed transphobic to say:

    Women and trans men can give birth. Men cannot give birth.

    I don't really have a problem with somebody asking me to go along with this line of thinking in order not to give offence.

    Can any of those posters with more acute transphobe radars than mine advise if this is ok or is it transphobic?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,612 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    I'm sorry but that would definitely be transphobic from what I've read in this thread. Saying men cannot give birth contradicts the statement that trans men can give birth, as TRANSMEN ARE MEN. How dare you deny their existence?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Because a trans man is a man, and a trans woman is a woman.

    Saying "men can't give birth" is transphobic as it excludes trans men, and many trans men have given birth.

    For those clutching their pearls about my insistence on destroying everything related to women, guess what?

    "Only men can get prostrate cancer" is equally transphobic as any transwoman can get prostrate cancer, because whether you like it or not, transwomen are women.

    You asked, you may not like the answer. But that's it.

    Sorry for all those who don't agree.

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    I'm going to go back to my point about this thread and moderation as there are many people asking, "is this transphobic? Or that?"

    First of all, I am not an arbiter. I don't have all the answers. But what I do know is the importance of intent.

    If you post something that is intended to be derogatory, you should be warned. So saying something like, "Even if he has his cock and balls chopped off, he won't be a woman" should absolutely be hit with a warning that everyone can see.

    Misgendering someone constantly, is derogatory with intent, and should he warned.

    It really is all about the intent for me.

    Trans people are here. They've always been here. Trying to pretend they're not real, or they're just mentally ill people, or they generally just change gender for the ludicrous notion that it'll be easier to win at sport, or attack women or other spurious reasons are all transphobic.

    They're not here to wipe out the word "women" or "men". Mostly they want to be left the f*ck alone like cisgenders generally are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,222 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    I think the "cisgenders" generally want to leave the trans alone aswell.

    Its just that doing that isn't an option due the agression of some trans activists who want cisgenders to change to suit them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,413 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Some people have trouble believing the concept altogether. They "have a feeling" they're in the wrong body. Trans people with dementia forget they've transitioned and are known to get stressed when they realise they had surgeries.

    Surely the educated generation will wonder is it all rubbish?



  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,697 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Presumably trans men then would always prefer just to be referred to as men, and do away with the trans prefix completely?

    Or are there circumstances where a trans man prefers to be recognised as trans?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,527 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    nonsense though isn't it? men giving birth, women with prostate cancer.

    trans men are trans men. trans women are trans women. men are men. women are women.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 955 ✭✭✭thegame983


    If a trans man gets pregnant then surly they've utterly failed at their goal of being a man.



  • Site Banned Posts: 1,745 ✭✭✭Raichų


    that would be how I feel about it anyway. Apparently they were all unplanned though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Seems like gay people forget who they've come out to or if they've come out as well.

    Poor creatures. Alzheimer's is awful.

    https://www.alzheimers.org.uk/get-support/help-dementia-care/lgbtq-dementia-memory-problems

    What do you mean by your last sentence?

    Surely the educated generation will wonder is it all rubbish?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,935 ✭✭✭El Gato De Negocios


    And here in lies the nub at the heart of it. TRAs expect people to swallow that a person can simply say they are now the opposite gender and everyone is supposed to accept.

    A man can never become a woman.

    A woman can never become a man.

    They can have surgeries, change clothes, take hormones and present however they want but on a physiological level they are the same gender they were on the day they were conceived.

    Simply put, you cannot logic or reason with this level of make believe any more than you could question the existence of God with a dyed in the wool religious fanatic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,941 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Honestly I think your argument is not on the level.

    I don't know whether to give you a thumbs up or down. Definitely a thumbs in there. Pretty sure I'm going down.

    Are you saying homosexuals are mentally ill? A disease?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,781 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Are you saying homosexuals are mentally ill? A disease?

    What? No?! Where in Gods name did you get that from? Did you read the link?

    Gay people can get Alzheimers and can forget who they have come out to, or if they've come out, which can lead to distress.

    Similarly, Trans people can get alzheimers and forget they've transitioned, which leads to distress.

    It's awful for all involved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,941 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Nice gif. Exactly what I believe in. But only one thumb, really not feeling the love. Could do better. I've a hankering for two thumbs.

    Go full thumbs "hey" or go home. You can't straddle the fonz fence.

    Wether you believe it or not, I don't care. You're the one going with us or them. The vast majority of us don't give a shite!

    Leinster won and I got tickets to divine comedy. Happy out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,941 ✭✭✭gameoverdude


    Lost. So trans and homosexual dementia is dementia+?

    Break it down for me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,375 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    "Trans people with dementia forget they've transitioned"

    What a disgusting scumbag post.

    No idea why the site needs posters like you to be honest.



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  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,697 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Surely Alzheimers is awful for all involved full stop? Irrespective whether you're LGBT or not.

    Madness to suggest otherwise.



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