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Cross-border review of rail network officially launched

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭spillit67


    Doesn't make a difference on fare evasion if you have competent revenue protection (Luas does this decent enough) but it is miles worse for Anti Social Behaviour.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Given that the gates are left open now all the time and most stations unmanned, how exactly is that better for anti-social behaviour?!

    Why is there so much anti-social behaviour on Irish Rail services, even though they have gates and often the issues are actually on intercity service that even has staff on board:

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/sharp-rise-in-anti-social-behaviour-on-irish-rail-services-1518375.html

    The reality of Ireland today, is that the majority of anti-social behaviour is actually coming from people who actually paid their fares (or have free travel pass).

    Specially on DART where teenagers are paying just 65c, gates aren't stopping any of them from using the service!



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    The NTA Actually does a report into the number of anti-social reports:

    https://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2025/04/Passenger-Personal-Security-Report-2024.pdf

    Incidents per 100,000 passengers:

    • Irish Rail: 7.3
    • Luas: 2.7

    Yes, the gates doing a great job there!

    I think it is more of a case of perception for you, rather then reality. DART has always had issues with anti-scoial behaviour and the gates never did anything about it.

    The gates are just "security theatre", the only thing that will really tackle anti-social behaviour is a Transport Police service and them actively riding the trains.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,114 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    A Transport Police won’t do much.


    We already have a police force and anti-social behaviour is rampant around the country.


    There is little or no penalty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭spillit67


    I posted the stats here before. Luas has double the amount of ASB reports as Irish Rail services with similar passenger numbers. And as mentioned, Irish Rail only enforces fare gates in more urban locations. And they absolutely have less RPOs and security on the tracks. The facts are that by restricting urban locations that they reduce ASB at source.

    The discussion was had here about a year ago. Countries have put up gates again to stop it. It’s undeniable but some here still seem to deny reality. I’ve no issue with people arguing the trade offs of accessibility here and maybe even making a cost argument. Fine.

    This doesn’t really have much to do with lack of access to stations. That’s a choice by Irish Rail.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,312 ✭✭✭spillit67


    The stats here don’t comport with elsewhere but I’ll note perceptions of safety higher here in this survey for DART is higher than Luas. And again, Irish Rail don’t use fare gates / lack RPO enforcement in lots of instances.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 23,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    NA



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