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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    The Welsh commentators both thinking it was a harsh decision to disallow the try after seeing the replay was amazing to hear.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Kelleher made three turnovers by my reckoning. Straight up steals, not penalties, giving quick turnover ball. Not sure he was the worst player on the pitch and fairly certain Healy wasn't the best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭johnh6767




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 583 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Find I rarely agree with ratings at all, sometimes wonder if the person even watched the game.

    Pretty dreadful performance yesterday but how the squad has done to this point allows them to have that and rest every starter for next week.

    Some positives from it I thought Baird, Soroka, Osbourne and Boyle were good. Kelleher, Boyle and Byrne the only ones we will likely see next week. Maybe Baird if covering second row on the bench.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,980 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    Gunne's box kicking was dreadful. He seems to be highly rated but I thought some of his game was poor. Byrne was grim really. Andrew Osborne was so crap he could be an Ulster player. Is that too harsh?🤣



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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,800 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    A lot of the ratings are just the narrative around the player that existed before the game, and aren't reflective of what actually happened in the game at all.

    Kelleher had a good gamer in the end, he definitely settled into it, stopped trying to change the game on his own.

    Overall, a terrible performance, but understandable considering the changes. Squad depth is never about having two teams capable of winning every match, it's about having good enough players that can swap into the first team without too much of a drop in standards, and yesterday's performance doesn't really reflect that reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭conquestscarer


    Ross had a terrible game. If Harry Byrne had the exact same game there would be calls for us to ostracize him from the team. He had us **** about in our own half and they abused his lack of running game in defence by using him as a trigger to rush when he caught the ball.

    Reminded me of the Northampton game last year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    harsh on Gunne who I felt was good all round , created & saved a try, and bar the box kick that didn’t move too far along he left a few nice hangers, what struck me was the lack of chasers as they were very contestable. Opposite for Scarlets who took a lot of ball in the air. Byrne & Osborne both had disappointing games, but when the team is off form it can be hard to drag yourself ahead. Agree with Catinbox terrible all round but the drastic changes doesn’t help the team performance



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Probably insufficient recognition of Scarlets who took all their chances , they were on form with a huge variance in play making and destroyed our midfield defence which is traditionally a high spot



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,201 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    I’m surprised Osborne is getting as much game time as he is.

    Probably harsh, he’s 21, but his performances haven’t been good enough. Leinster clearly see something that I’m not.

    I’m hopeful Gunne will become a good Leinster player. Like McGrath.

    With a bit of luck he might become an international.

    Any word on Larmour these days?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Larmour seems to be out for the season but nobody knows what he’s recovering from . Where’s McErlean feel he could swap more with Andy Osborne who has dominated time on the clock



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭darkened_scrum


    So Leinster have the SF this weekend, if they win are the front-liners going to be wrapped in cotton wool again until the final? It's 3 weeks from the SF, that is too long imo, they need to play again before that.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,580 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    No, but I'm not sure what they'll do. Either mix and match over the two games or just full on for Zebre and rest a lot for Glasgow.

    It is a shame the Glasgow and Zebre games aren't the other way around really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭johnh6767




  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,580 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Not really. We are basically 2 match points from an insurmountable lead.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Fair point Podge, although momentum also important going into it if we get to that point



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,670 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    We should beat Northampton. They've played well in Europe this season, but their domestic form isn't particularly good. They just lack the quality up front. In last seasons semi final Courtney Lawes was probably the best player on the pitch, but he's playing in France these days, as is Lewis Ludlam. Henry Pollack is already very good, but he's not at the level where he can make up for the loss of either one of them.

    Last season we targeted the passing channels between 10-12-13. Fin Smith got really flustered that day and a lot of Saints attacks broke down in midfield through knock ons. I'm sure they'll be better prepared for that this season though. An area of weakness in the rush defence is if you can get a quick tip on pass before the defender gets to you. Smith has excellent hands and can make those sort of passes without actually having to catch the ball first. Seen him do it a lot this season and they usually lead to like breaks.

    I also think Leinster are a better attacking side this season. In that game at Croker we started fast enough with some nice trys, but we struggled to score after that. Ross Byrne had a very poor day from the tee also. Missed at least 3 penalties which would have put us well ahead. Prendergast and Barrett gives us a greater threat through their passing and kicking skills alone.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 319 ✭✭conquestscarer


    Biggest difference for me this year is Prendergast, that game last year was the game that confirmed Byrne limitations at the top level. Everytime the guy touched the ball their defence sagged off him and he didn't carry the ball. Prendergast isn't a prolific carry threat but he is a break threat Ala that break against Glasgow.

    Lawes and Ludlum are big misses but to me Pollock looks like England's best back rower, his stats this tournament have been ridiculous aswell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 567 ✭✭✭johnh6767




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,670 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    We have better creative options this season. Last year was the JGP show. He's a brilliant 9 and everything was going through him. That wasn't really an issue either as he was in such good form. He's playing brilliantly this season too, but we function better in attack with Prendergast at 10. He's a far better playmaker than Byrne.

    Last seasons final against Toulouse showcased our limitations. A lot of moves broke down in midfield and/or the final pass was dropped too often. JGP was at the heart of everything we did well, but with Prendergast and Barrett alongside him we have a greater threat as well as taking some of the burden off him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭ShineyShiney


    Shiney Shiney's Ratings of Ian Cameron's Ratings

    Ian Cameron 4.5

    Rated players erratically having obviously not watched much of the game. Got a couple right but more by accident and luck than rugby analysis. Poor showing in light of being outside Lions ratings bolter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭ShineyShiney


    Scarlets showed what Welsh sides have been showing for years. When it matters they can up their game. Well played Scarlets a good performance and deserved result.

    Some good signs for Leinster, Mangan is a very good player, Boyle had a big impact, Soroka has a lot of potential as does Gunne.

    There weren't really any awful performances just an over rotation and lack of cohesion. Nearly all of those players can slot into a more usual selection and perform.

    How the group reacts is the big question now, id put the same team out again with a couple of minor adjustments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭Ranjo


    Rory Maguire, Stephen Smyth and Tommy O'Brien out escorting Leo the Lion today at the rugby blitz in Cabinteely area. Loads of kids getting photos with them. Fair play to them!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,542 ✭✭✭Lost Ormond




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,670 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    This season has been awful for Ciaran Frawley. After the South Africa test series last summer it was set up for him to make a charge for the Leinster starting 10 jersey and a spot in the Ireland 23. Missed a few drop goal attempts in the Champions Cup final, but added an edge in attack that we needed especially as Byrne was struggling.

    Now he's Leinster's third choice at 10 and 15 and probably fifth choice at 12. Inside centre is probably his best position too. Nothing has gone right for him since the November tests. Been given opportunities at flyhalf, but all his old faults remain. Loose kicking, inaccurate passing and handling errors.

    He's a very talented player who has been hurt by his ability to cover a few positions to an acceptable level. But he doesn't have the technique for 10 nor the athleticism for fullback at the highest level. Inside centre is his best position, but there are too many quality options there that I think he's lost his spot. He's firmly behind Charlie Tector for instance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,198 ✭✭✭Serbian


    I’d say we’ll go strongish vs Zebre, make sure we get the win and seal the league position, and then probably go weak against Glasgow as it will be a nothing game for us at that point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Hugh Cooney MOTM in the AIL final. He was class both in attack and defence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,721 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    With player ratings there seems to be some sort of inertial gyroscope working at the lower end which prevents giving players the drastically low scores they sometimes deserve. Some years ago, I recall being pleasantly surprised seeing the ratings of French players in a French publication after a defeat. They really laid into them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 291 ✭✭darkened_scrum


    Probably L'Equipe, their player ratings are infamous.



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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,054 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    L'équipe rates an average performance as a 5 rather than a 7 which makes a lot more sense.



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