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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 740 ✭✭✭ShineyShiney


    Scarlets showed what Welsh sides have been showing for years. When it matters they can up their game. Well played Scarlets a good performance and deserved result.

    Some good signs for Leinster, Mangan is a very good player, Boyle had a big impact, Soroka has a lot of potential as does Gunne.

    There weren't really any awful performances just an over rotation and lack of cohesion. Nearly all of those players can slot into a more usual selection and perform.

    How the group reacts is the big question now, id put the same team out again with a couple of minor adjustments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 447 ✭✭Ranjo


    Rory Maguire, Stephen Smyth and Tommy O'Brien out escorting Leo the Lion today at the rugby blitz in Cabinteely area. Loads of kids getting photos with them. Fair play to them!



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 5,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lost Ormond




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,972 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    This season has been awful for Ciaran Frawley. After the South Africa test series last summer it was set up for him to make a charge for the Leinster starting 10 jersey and a spot in the Ireland 23. Missed a few drop goal attempts in the Champions Cup final, but added an edge in attack that we needed especially as Byrne was struggling.

    Now he's Leinster's third choice at 10 and 15 and probably fifth choice at 12. Inside centre is probably his best position too. Nothing has gone right for him since the November tests. Been given opportunities at flyhalf, but all his old faults remain. Loose kicking, inaccurate passing and handling errors.

    He's a very talented player who has been hurt by his ability to cover a few positions to an acceptable level. But he doesn't have the technique for 10 nor the athleticism for fullback at the highest level. Inside centre is his best position, but there are too many quality options there that I think he's lost his spot. He's firmly behind Charlie Tector for instance.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,218 ✭✭✭Serbian


    I’d say we’ll go strongish vs Zebre, make sure we get the win and seal the league position, and then probably go weak against Glasgow as it will be a nothing game for us at that point.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,028 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Hugh Cooney MOTM in the AIL final. He was class both in attack and defence



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    With player ratings there seems to be some sort of inertial gyroscope working at the lower end which prevents giving players the drastically low scores they sometimes deserve. Some years ago, I recall being pleasantly surprised seeing the ratings of French players in a French publication after a defeat. They really laid into them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 722 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    Probably L'Equipe, their player ratings are infamous.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    L'équipe rates an average performance as a 5 rather than a 7 which makes a lot more sense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Think this is a pretty fair synopsis. Northampton will be a tougher test than Quins and Bath, but if Leinster click, particularly up front I don't think they will live with it. Prendergast, Barrett and also TOB give Leinster a stronger attack. Synman and Deegan replacing Molony and Baird will give more grunt up front also vs last year.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,129 ✭✭✭✭salmocab




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Ryan might be available Saturday according to the injury update, the wording makes me think though it's not likely



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,715 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    "Increasing his training load" wouldn't be a good omen alright, but with Snyman and Baird both fit again, it's less of a blow.

    The 23 pretty much picks itself so. Maybe Boyle can displace Healy from the bench, maybe Henshaw comes back in to start, but most likely;

    Porter Sheehan Furlong

    McCarthy Snyman

    Conan Doris VDF

    JGP Prendergast

    Lowe Barrett Ringrose TOB

    Keenan

    Reps: Kelleher Healy Slimani Baird Deegan McGrath Byrne Henshaw



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    No way should Henshaw be on the bench imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Furlong was "increasing his training load" for about 2 months prior to his return, but yeah not a massive blow as it would been in seasons past



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,715 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I don't get why people are so down on Henshaw, he's playing very well. Osborne has been grand but not demanding selection.

    I'd be very surprised if Henshaw is left out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I think he's been very average, he's ok defensively but is so far off the pace in attack. He also can only cover the centre to any credible degree. I'd argue Osborne is flat out superior at this stage, and can cover the entire backline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,018 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    I'd agree. Outside of an injury, there's little to no chance that Henshaw is left out altogether. Whilst he can't cover the entire back-line himself, any injury can be accommodated with him on the bench.

    I really really hope TOB gets the nod and his lack of involvement in the last game suggests he will. He's the kind of player who can be a difference maker in knockout rugby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,715 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    TOB has to start. Osborne isn't a natural winger and JOB is still way off his best, while TOB is absolutely tearing it up. No contest IMO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Why make the team weaker for Henshaw, what area is he superior to the alternatives in? I think he has an edge in defense, he's still a savage tackler, but in any other facet he's poorer imo. More to the point, having to push someone else out of position to fit him is silly. Osborne is a better winger than Ringrose. He's on a par with Jordie at FB. It makes no sense to me. JOB is a better winger and FB than Henshaw, and can cover the centre too.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,018 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    The team is not 'weaker' for Henshaw. Ultimately the bench spot is probably between Henshaw, Osborne and JOB.

    JOB has been at best, bang average this season. He doesn't deserve the 23 jersey.

    Henshaw is in good form. He played very well against Harlequins and was excellent off the bench against Glasgow. Osborne meanwhile was ok against Harlequins (albeit out of position on the wing), didn't feature against Glasgow and was crap against Scarlets. On form, it's an easy choice between those two.

    Whether Osborne or Ringrose move to the wing because of an injury, both are out of position so the notion of 'pushing someone out of position is silly' applies just as much to the cover options with Osborne on the bench as it does to Henshaw.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 722 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    I think you're massively underrating Henshaw here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Henshaw at final stages knock out is putting everything on the line. Far too early to suggest otherwise. Past peak but still very formidable and can come up with the goods when it matters most. Also those who have suffered the loss have the most to work for to reverse the pain.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,675 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    I think shutting down the Curry brothers is important. You do that it's a handy win.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Unless they have moved from Sale in the last 2 days I’d imagine Leinster won’t be thinking about them too much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I watched him during the 6Ns, I think I'm rating him entirely appropriately. Players get old, they lose speed and ability to influence the game. It's happened to better players than him. It was very clear that he was well off the pace, along with Aki tbf. He's not materially better than Osborne as a centre imo, and certainly not at any other position coming off of the bench. I don't see the value in having to move other players out of their best positions just to accommodate him.

    Henshaw is in good form. He played very well against Harlequins and was excellent off the bench against Glasgow. Osborne meanwhile was ok against Harlequins (albeit out of position on the wing), didn't feature against Glasgow and was crap against Scarlets. On form, it's an easy choice between those two.

    Whether Osborne or Ringrose move to the wing because of an injury, both are out of position so the notion of 'pushing someone out of position is silly' applies just as much to the cover options with Osborne on the bench as it does to Henshaw.

    You wouldn't have to move Ringrose to the wing, or Jordie to FB, if you have proper cover on the bench. JOB was excellent at FB the other week. Osborne was quite good on the wing vs France. They're both better than moving Ringrose out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 42,675 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    🤣

    I've no idea how I decided they were playing for Northampton.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,018 ✭✭✭✭Exclamation Marc


    Osborne has been serviceable on the wing but he's not a winger so whilst he's doing a good job covering, he's clearly not suited there.

    You might not like Henshaw which is fine, but to suggest that either JOB or Osborne are on better form right now is just not true. Henshaw has been very good to excellent against Harlequins, Glasgow and Ulster. Osborne was bad this weekend, dropped for Glasgow and good against Harlequins (albeit on the wing).

    JOB as 23 won't happen. No cover at center as nobody else (Lowe, TOB or Keenan) covers there. At least with Henshaw and Osborne, players can move around to positions they can cover but Henshaw is in better form so I'd expect him to get the nod.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,942 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    JOB has played center in the past, very well from memory, he's well capable of it. You can say Osborne isn't a winger, and I would agree it's his weakest position, but at the same time, he comfortably outplayed Penaud in the 6Ns. He's no mug, his issues are a lack of top end speed and some positioning struggles. I don't agree that Henshaw has been excellent. He doesn't contribute much if anything in attack anymore. Seeing him choose to cut inside rather take a prop on the outside with the try line at his mercy tells everything about where he is at now. I have nothing against Henshaw, he's been a phenomenal player over the years. He's just old and on the decline.



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  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,368 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Did Jamie Osborne play badly this weekend? Andrew was awful but Jamie had 9 carries, 2 line breaks, 2 defenders beaten and a try. Not too shabby.



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