Israel closing their embassy in Dublin *Read OP for Mod Warning added 19/12/24*

Just because Hamas is a military "lightweight" doesn't mean they can be allowed to attack civilians in their beds.

Does it?

To use your own analogy, it's like a boxing lightweight jumping someone even smaller than them in a dark alleyway, and then complaining when their chosen victim turns out to have a heavyweight friend who beats them to a pulp.

No. Over half a century of colonisation does though.

Right so the government have never come out as pro hamas and anti Israeli, they recognised a Palestinian state and shown themselves to be anti war crime.

Well you see, you quoted posts in a sequence of back-and-forth posts relating to the mirroring of Russian propaganda and excuses with zionist hasbara. But you decided to try to put up a strawman which implied I was disagreeing with some incidents on October 7th. The original poster asked when Ukraine had attacked, so I told them.

I have subsequently made it clear to you that the comparison was the using of the said excuses to deliberately and dishonestly perpetuate a colonial war to grab land and killing of a significant number of their neighbours, and trying to justify same as somehow inevitable and necessary to prevent an existential threat.

You're attempted strawman question was simply a less subtle version of "when did you stop beating your wife?"

In early 2022, Russia started making noises about attacks from Ukraine against Russian people in Eastern Ukraine. There were firing at each other for years. But the Ukrainian firing back was used as the dishonest excuse from the far more powerful colonial power to invade and cause mayhem. Engineer the situation and then claim victimhood and necessity.

In late 2023, the zionists stepped up provocation against Palestinians. Both in the West Bank, in Gaza, and in particular, taking very public actions to desecrate the Palestinian holy sites. When the retaliation came, that was their opportunity to go for the kill. Completely dishonest. Engineer the situation and then claim victimhood and necessity.

Well I suppose it sounds good, and you might have read it on twitter, and that is more important than it not actually being true

https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2024/01/17/president-and-taoiseach-raise-human-rights-issues-with-chinese-premier-during-dublin-visit/

If the broadened definition is applied, it will apply to all countries. Including Saudi or China.

They are still human beings. Children in Gaza don't get to choose their values for themselves.

Yes they are but children are getting killed all over the world, why is this situation any more important or terrible. For example how many children were getting slaughtered in Syria by the Russians, yet we only really came out against them when they invaded Ukraine

I'm not sure what the relevance of this point is to anything I have said. I'm not talking about anyone being particularly in the right and I have no disagreement with the obvious fact that weakness does not make someone right.

It's obviously just as clear that might isn't right either — and that Israel should not be destroying Gaza and slaughtering civilians en masse just because it can or just because it thinks that it is in the right.

And, truth be told, for a country which promotes itself as Western-aligned and built on the same values of tolerance, freedom and the liberal rules based order — it is after all quite reluctant to have its righteousness assessed by any other measure than its own, including international courts.

So you are against what is happening in Israel/Gaza? So shouldnt you be supportive then of what the Irish Government is doing then to help stop the murder of children there?

Good man you managed to squeeze in both " virtue signalling " and " anti semitism " plus a tinge of feeling inferior for being irish into your posts!

Could you, or someone else who supports Palestine, explain the friendship that exists between the Irish people and the Palestinian people? I've been to Palestine and I just don't see what the Irish people and the Palestinian people have in common. Secondly, if something goes wrong with Irish soldiers in that part of the world, Ireland wouldn't need the Israeli channels nowadays. History would suggest that an ally of Iran was responsible, even though they have a history of denying that, so surely Ireland would use the special relationship that it has built with Iran to deal with the matter?

But like the other poster who responded to my post, you're responding to a point I didn't make, haven't made, nor would ever make.

I don't know how much more clearly you need it spelled out — the 7 October attacks were an atrocity and a wanton act of barbarism. There is no defending it. It was an attack perpetrated by fanatics of a blood cultist form of Islam which by any reasonable measure only had two objective aims: to kill as many people as possible regardless of who they were and to escalate the conflict by provoking an all-out response by Israel and taking hostages to almost guarantee that response.

And even if we look beyond the many atrocities that Israel have since gone on to commit — with the luxury of being able to do them with missiles and other ordnance that are less personal and therefore seemingly less barbaric than breaking into peoples homes and killing them with AK47s — strategically it's hard to see how they haven't just willingly and completely unilaterally walked straight into the blood cult's trap and more.