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Boating chit chat thread.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,177 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Not a mention on any of the big Irish news websites…..

    You'd think RTÉ would be onto it given they showed a doc about him a few weeks back (which should rightly get a lot more plays now)

    https://afloat.ie/sail/events/la-solitaire-du-figaro/item/64702-tom-dolan-wins-the-solitaire-du-figaro-it-is-a-dream-come-true



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,879 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    Mentioned on the sports news this morning on Morning Ireland on Rte1 radio.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,108 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Got a mention at the very end of the 9pm news tonight



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,879 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,747 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Hardly unlucky?

    It looks like a straight up port/starboard issue and the boat on the port tack didn't keep sufficiently clear.

    I suspect that 2Farr's insurance will be paying for a new mast for Headhunter. I'd be absolutely hopping mad if I was on headhunter (as the guy shaking his arms in the air appears to be), especially considering they travelled from the UK and were disabled at the very start of the very first race!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,177 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    I bet the 2Farr lads wish they were on their J109 instead!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭POBox19


    From the protest documents filed on RacingRulesOfSailing.org

    DESCRIPTION OF INCIDENT
    Both boats on starboard off startline. 2269 circa 50m to leeward, after approx 1 minute 30, 2269
    tacked onto port. As 2269 approached Headhunter, 2269 made a very late decision to bear away
    behind Hesdhunter, resulting in the rigs colliding. Headhunter’s rig came down and struck the
    helmsman.

    FACTS FOUND

    1. The incident occurred shortly after the start of Race 1 for Class 2, when the wind was 14 knots and there were small
      waves.
    2. GBR5694 was sailing close-hauled on starboard tack, with IRL2269 sailing close-hauled on port tack. Both boats on a
      collision course.
    3. When the IRL2269 was at a distance of 5 boat lengths from GBR5694, IRL2269 bore away.
    4. IRL2269’s main sheet got jammed while bearing away to pass astern of GBR5694.
    5. While IRL2269 was bearing away, and the boats were level with each other, IRL2269 became upright and there was
      contact between the rigs.
    6. As a result of the contact, the mast of GBR5694 broke and fell on the deck injuring the helm of GBR5694. There was
      also severe damage to the mainsail and the bow fitting was broken.
    7. GBR5694 did not finish Race 1.
    8. IRL2269 retired from Race 1.

    CONCLUSIONS AND RULES THAT APPLY
    Rules: RRS 10, 14,

    1. IRL2269 on port failed to keep clear of GBR5694 on starboard, and broke RRS 10.
    2. IRL2269 did not avoid contact when it was reasonably possible, and broke RRS 14.
    3. It was not reasonably possible for GBR5694 the right-of-way boat to avoid contact with IRL2269 when it was clear
      that IRL2269 was not keeping clear. GBR5694 did not break RRS 14.

    DECISION
    The protest is upheld. Since IRL2269 took an appropriate penalty by retiring, she is not further penalized under RRS
    64.2(a).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Ferris


    Obviously 2Farr at fault, tried to duck and mainsheet got stuck. There but for the grace of god…. Shame for Head Hunter, hope Helm is okay.

    The 2Farr lads would be devastated by that, half tonners are a close group. Didn’t seem to phase them but, followed that race with 3 bullets!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,747 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I would have thought that a stuck mainsheet would cause a boat to heel to windward if bearing away rather than make it stand up?

    I do understand that a stuck main would make bearing away very difficult, it's the boat coming upright that confuses me.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    When rudder is not large enough/too much pressure on it, letting off the main sheet reduces the force (power) in it and allows better control of boat's direction. When close hauled in a strong wind the natural tendency is for a yacht is to point in to the wind, with the rudder used to counteract it. There can be a lot of force the rudder with it acting more as a brake, if you have too much sail up.

    I hope I described it properly, it is something which comes to you naturally with experience and would be different from boat to boat etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,747 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    I said that I understand that it's difficult to bear away with a powered up main.

    I'm repeating myself here, but...

    I don't understand why the boat stood upright rather than heeling more when bareing away with a sheeted in main.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭POBox19


    As I see it, in the photos, 2Farr was very late in bearing away to avoid Headhunter. In the first few shots you’ll notice her wake coming off her starboard quarter. She’s on the opposite course and tack to Headhunter and sailing downwind. With all her crew on the weather rail 2Farr is now leaning to windward and too close to Headhunter and so the masts clashed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,747 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    Generally speaking am I right in thinking that if you are close hauled and bare away without easing the sails, the boat will heel extremely to leeward?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,295 ✭✭✭Ferris


    At a guess I’d say 2Farr was trying to get out of there and left it way too late and had to come right off the breeze to do so hence the rig was more upright.

    Maybe the thought they were clear of HH and then realised they wouldn’t make it. Perhaps the main got stuck earlier when she was more on the breeze. The power in the main on these boats means they will not bear away without easing the main. The rudder on 2Farr is plenty big but it doesn’t matter.

    Just bad luck unfortunately for HH



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    If you are close hauled and can bear away, the boat will come upright.

    Good protest decision. I co-owned a fractional rig half-tonner for several years, back before they were allowed to be modified by an in-fill piece between the rudder and the fin keel. That was done to add/aid directional stability. They were highly skittish downwind in a following sea as the rudder often was half out of the water. Similarly, close hauled the power of the mail could lay the boat over, minimizing the ‘verticality’ and the function of the rudder. That could be countered in gusts by spilling wind using the main sheet, but if the weather was heavy it could be achieved by reducing the slot by using the traveller and using the mainsheet occasionally. The wind was only 14 knots at the time of the dismasting incident so anything about steering-way is IMO irrelevant.

    Supposedly five boat lengths apart before the start of the manouver- 150 feet/45m? That lots of space. 2Farr passed too close when trying to pass astern, simple. Back-wing from Headhunter, or too much weight to weather in a momentary lull could have cause a heel to weather. Everyone – including the helm – appears to have been on the weather side. No mention of anyone calling starboard on the protest docs shown.

    Very tough on Headhunter, hope their crew is OK. 2Farr was lucky their crew did not have legs injured on the weather deck!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,177 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    take that Mr. committee boat…..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭POBox19


    Just curious, is that what they call nailing the start?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,108 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Man overboard off a Volvo 70 on ARC and hasn't been recovered

    https://afloat.ie/sail/cruising/item/65567-swedish-sailor-dag-eresund-missing-overboard-during-atlantic-rally-for-cruisers-yachts-asked-to-keep-a-sharp-lookout



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭POBox19


    The boat is Ocean Breeze. She sailed the 2008/2009 Volvo Race as Telefonica Blue and in the 2011/2012 edition as Sanya with Discover Ireland branding.

    A mob situation is difficult at the best of times in any boat, but harder when you're sailing as fast as these boats do. When Hans Horrevoets (RIP) went overboard from ABN AMRO II in the 2006/2007 race it took a top crew 20 minutes to just turn the boat around and another 20 to return, locate and pick him out of the water in a 30 foot swell. That was incredible seamanship on a pitch black night in 35 kts of wind.

    eSysman covered the storey in The Yacht Report yesterday, here's the link:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭POBox19


    Very sad news

    Ocean Breeze Statement on Tuesday 3 December

    It is with great sadness that World Cruising Club confirms that 33-year-old Swedish sailor Dag Eresund was lost overboard from yacht Ocean Breeze on Monday 2 December at 02:27 UTC.

    The search was coordinated by MRCC Norfolk USA and involved Ocean Breeze, ARC yacht Leaps & Bounds 2 and motor vessel Project X. Air cover was not possible due to the distance of the incident from land.

    With loss of daylight and in worsening seas, MRCC Norfolk ended the active search at 20:45 UTC on Monday. MRCC has requested that all vessels able should amend course to pass through the search area of 20o24.838N 043o11.623W and to keep a sharp lookout for any signs of a person in the water. All ARC yachts have been asked to assist with MRCC’s request.

    This area will be amended over time to take account of drift rates and weather conditions. MRCC Norfolk will continue to provide updated coordinates.

    Our thoughts and prayers are with Dag Eresund’s family and friends and with all the crew members on Ocean Breeze at this unbelievably difficult time.

    We thank the skippers and crew of Leaps & Bounds 2 and Project X for diverting to assist in the search.

    World Cruising Club has the permission of Mr Eresund’s family to release his name.

    We have no additional information about the incident and will release further information as it becomes available.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,108 ✭✭✭✭neris


    And now some ones been killed in a collison between 2 boats down in Sydney before the start of an over night race. No boat names mentioned in anything I've seen but mention of a supermaxi not starting the race.

    Post edited by neris on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭POBox19




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    From the report it sounds like each club/association runs their own races around the same marks. I could see the possibility of there being more crossing of paths than a DBSC race.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,108 ✭✭✭✭neris


    2 dead on the Sydney Hobart and the race isn't even 24 hours old. Been carnage with damage aswell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,177 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,108 ✭✭✭✭neris


    Live stream of Sydney Hobart finish if you've nothing better to do on a Friday afternoon



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Mick Tator


    Sad event. One by the boom, the other by the mainsheet which knocked him off his feet and he hit his head on a winch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,177 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,701 ✭✭✭CMOTDibbler


    You can't park there sir.

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    Anyone who follows or is aware of the YouTube channel for the Superyacht MY Loon may not have heard that their chase boat had an accident on St. Barthelemy just before Christmas. All on board (11) were crew members and 6 were injured. One seriously as she was ejected from the boat on impact and suffered serious facial injuries.

    In any case it seems to have been the catalyst for a lot of acrimony with at least half the crew leaving. The YT channel has gone private as has the Captain's insta channel and there's an entire subreddit given over to him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,108 ✭✭✭✭neris


    New enough chase boat aswell. Loons up for sale the last few months aswell, surely that'll knock $500k off the asking price 😆😆



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