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Election to be called Fri - predict outcome

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,609 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    All they need is a state guarantee that should they need to repossess, the covenant on the property is removed (no longer restricted to the affordable scheme for selling).

    This is the issue the banks had - what happens in case of default. I believe old Mcdonald already answered this one too a few times



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Sinn Fein's housing policy is based on a number of fantasies.

    Firstly, that people will be happy to buy a house that they can't sell on to anyone they like

    Secondly, that banks will be happy to finance houses that they can't repossess and sell on to anyone they like

    Thirdly, that a state construction company can be set up overnight and build houses, despite having no history of doing so and no employees.

    Fourthly, that construction contractors will be willing to give up their freedom to price and work jobs that they choose in exchange for lower wages/harder work in a State construction company as it is claimed that this company can build houses cheaper somehow.

    Finally, this can all happen immediately, because they are going to abolish all the existing schemes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,759 ✭✭✭✭L1011




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,940 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Absolutely hilraious if some FG staffer tried to pull a Malcolm Tucker trick and didn't think they would get caught.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,291 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Anyone in a working corporate environment and most outside of a working corporate environment will know that sending any type of message classed as a pornographic message is not classed as “workplace banter” - doesnt matter if its “viral” 🤪


    “The Whatsapp, as sent, was generic and viral at the time and was not of myself. It was brought to my attention some three months afterwards, a lot of texts that are sent in the workplace environment, amount to workplace banter,” he added.”

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/patsy-obrien-says-pornographic-message-sent-to-fine-gael-female-staffer-was-workplace-banter/a951722977.html



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,026 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    You can only assume they did, Harris would not deny it when interviewed on camera even after admitting he knows if it happned are not. A simple no is all he had to say and he couldn't.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,542 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The hypocrisy of the FG faithful over this is off the scale. Cannot call it out nor the omerta that accompanied it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    If SF did any of this stuff, there would be lads foaming at the mouth here.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I don't disagree with you, but the type of situation you have described is a far far lesser evil than sending inappropriate messages to children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,684 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Banks never had a problem lending for properties for which a ground rent was payable so it's not a huge leap to suggest that they'll find a way of lending under the SF plan.

    It's also not a huge leap to suggest that bankers in general wouldn't be hugely keen about SF getting into power with higher personal taxation for higher earners. It wouldn't be beyond the bankers to allow doubts to fester about this particular policy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    A good man to ask about banks is Brian Hayes, CEO of the Banking and Payments Federation Ireland.

    He was also a Fine Gael TD and MEP.

    A little reminder of what Fine Gael's 2011 New Politics policy said…

    "Fine Gael’s starting point is simple: political failure lies at the heart of Ireland’s economic collapse. The finger of responsibility must, in the first instance, point directly to the massive policy failures of the recent Fianna-Fail led Governments and their willingness to promote the interests of a so-called “Golden Circle” over the interests of the Citizen. Under Fianna Fail a political culture developed which ensured that the bankers and the developers were not dealt with before it was too late. A culture which tolerates cosy cartels and high costs in the private sector and ignores the need for radical reform in the public sector."

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,542 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Nothing to do with sending inappropriate messages to children which was called out as wrong and a serious offence from day one.

    Get the Shinners out from under your bed and call it out and the omerta that went with it from FG.

    Is it wrong and is FG's omerta and a FG TD supporting him wrong or not?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Even if you are correct, it is another current unknown about the SF plan, another delay to getting the SF plan going. We need to build houses, we need certainty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    If you recall correctly, I strongly criticised SF over their treatment of Brian Stanley who got caught up in a similar situation to O'Brien. I saw the differences then between what Stanley did and what McGonagle (and the people who gave him a reference) and NOD (and MLMD who sang his praises) did.

    Inappropriate messaging of children is on a far higher plane of wrongdoing than anything that Stanley or O'Brien were accused of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,783 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    But if the banks don't lend then any plan you might have for selling houses isn't going to work very well. Again I reiterate - at least they have a plan

    FFGs plan is to keep housing stocks low for another 5 years so their property developer and landlord mates can charge what they like. I'd argue a half-baked SF plan is better than that

    Since social housing can be done on a part 8

    With respect, I said the exact opposite. Maybe you don't understand a part 8?

    Put very simply a part 8 is an avenue of planning permission with no room for appeals to An Bord Pleanal from the public. Instead the public can make submissions as usual and the decision ultimately gets carried by the local authority. Essentially the end result is that the development gets built faster



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,830 ✭✭✭.Donegal.


    Harris not sure he will allow McGahon canvass with him in Louth

    The Fine Gael leader says he is not sure if he will allow party candidate John McGahon to canvass with him when he travels to Louth.

    Simon Harris says he would need to reflect on such a move.

    "I have made very clear my view in relation to violence and I'd need to reflect on that," he said.

    Jesus Christ. If you don’t know by now there’s not much hope. Dose



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭taratee


    It shouldn't amaze you. FFG have been in government on many occasions and whilst they've been guilty of wasting money and opportunities in a number of areas, they shown that they have the ability to run a very wealthy and successful country. We've had giveaway budget after giveaway budget year-on-year down here.

    A SF government is an unknown entity for the majority of people down here and that concerns them. Sure, they been in government in NI but NI is a different ball game. This is high stakes poker down here in comparison to NI! If they mess up, the consequences could be dire for an awful lot of people. Therefore, voters are questioning SF's policies again and again, and they are right to do so. I've seen nothing to suggest that SF have the ability to run the show down here and I'm not going to vote for them. It'd like giving an 18 year old learner driver a Formula 1 car.

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    He's not sure. A very poor response.

    Fine Gael appeared not to have a replacement for Leo. I don't think Pascal Donohue wanted the job, McEntee hopeless, so they went with Harris.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Business Post opinion poll due out tonight apparently. Anyone know what time?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,811 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    If McGahon suddenly emerges from a crowd with a box of Twix under his arm we could see Harris doing his Usain Bolt impression again

    pathetic that he's trying to let the election clock run down to avoid making a call on that…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,542 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    There is two of them at it, Naughton in the west and Simon in the east.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭MFPM


    The property ponsi scheme of 2002 - 2007 seems to have escaped your analysis, the mass unemployment and emigration of the 80s too, and the austerity of 2009 onwards, they're hardly examples of competent governance. The over reliance on FDI now is also going to hit home at some point in the coming years.

    As for SF, I'm no fan but how exactly will their policies be tested if they don't assume power at some point?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The election is this week, not in the 1980s, not in 2009 and not in 2002. We have one of the highest living standards in the world, we have good health, we regularly finish in the top ten of places to live, what more are you asking for?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index

    There we are, 7th, up 8 places since 2015.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,066 ✭✭✭MFPM


    Where did I say it was? Re-read the post I was replying to then read mine, then come back and acknowledge your error.

    As for what more 'I' or 'one' might want - maybe the eradication of appalling waiting lists for health procedures, improvements in services for children with additional needs so their development isn't compromised to the extent it has been under successive FF/FG govs….I could go on but even with your tinted glasses, you get the point!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭taratee


    You can critically analyze and evaluate their policies. If a policy doesn’t hold up in theory, it’s unlikely to succeed in practice. I think that is exactly what the media and the voting public are doing.

    Am Yisrael Chai - Bring them home.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The scattered voting pattern only results in one thing - protracted government formation talks.

    It could takes 6 months, unless there's a massive swing to the main 3 parties.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,972 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,366 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Aontu, Independent Ireland, People Before Profit.

    How did Irish politics get to this stage?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,542 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    With FG shipping negative press right up to polling day (big bust up in Wexford breaking now) it looks to be between SF and FF.



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