Harris Vs Trump 2024 US Presidential election - read the warning in the OP posted 18/09/24

If the conversation is about voting, then the true rate is important since those people can still vote.

America defines its unemployment in a weird way that is nothing like European countries. You must be actively seeking for work to be counted as unemployed or you silently slip out of the employed and unemployed statistics.

That the US has roughly five or six times as many people out of work than what the unemployment figure suggests is pretty important to note. If people look at the ~4% rate and think the economy is good and everyone is fine, they're not accounting for an extra fifth of the adult population who are probably unhappy with the economy and their finances.

It's not really clear if you've seen what was on CNN..

He isn't a Harris advisor.

He was her Coms director in 2022.

The scales have fallen from my eyes personally. I think the shock some feel is a product of a mix of news, traditional media and social media feeding biases which dehumanises Trump in a way. For example, he'll say something like "child care is child care" and the likes of the Daily Show latch on to it and get to create a 20 minute slot on it. You come away thinking Trump is an idiot, how could any idiot vote for that idiot etc. It feeds into the bias hence the shock when he actually goes and wins the thing.

The same thing happened with Trump on Joe Rogan. I didn't watch it before the election but I did see people asking for any highlights i.e. did he say anything stupid or crazy which might feed my bias. I then watched it after the election and he comes across as a narcissistic Abe Simpson tying an onion to his belt, a salesman who has been selling the biggest, the brightest, the greatest (insert whatever) for 40 years. Ageing, rambling but, shock horror, normal. Not like the "they're eating the dogs" or "Because you'd be in jail" caricature. Obviously he is a flawed character with a pathological winner mentality (going so far as to watch a Capitol riot go down because there's a sniff of a chance of winning). Think Homer and Bart thinking the pig is still good delusion.

He was compared to Hitler. Watch any documentary about Hitler and you'll likely hear his voice as the dictator at a rally. It feeds the dehumanisation of him. Then listen to a covert recording of him on a train talking in his normal voice. It is much scarier since this man, speaking like any other 50-ish Austrian, was responsible for the Holocaust. I think the comparisons of Trump to Hitler and fascists is deliberate. Better to keep people believing he is evil and reap the rewards of fueling a them versus us viewership rather than encourage people to seek out what the other side are seeing, what they are listening to.

You have people mocking the idea of Elon Musk becoming part of the government or RFK Jr becoming the health secretary. You become appalled at the mere idea of it but if you see it through the lens of Trump supporters then the explanation becomes that, yes it's ridiculous, but this is what it might have to take to enable things to change. There is, as such, an answer for everything e.g. people died on January 6th? Yeah, well that just shows how angry people are! How do you win against such mental gymnastics? Now the opposite is also true. Trump has a mandate now and it will be his last stand. The press needs to stop with the dehumanization and cut out the whole Gilead rubbish. It just emboldens the support Trump has.

They should focus on hitting the republicans with policy failures as they crop up. Again and again and over and over e.g. start an “Is it over yet?” clock on the war in Ukraine which he said he’d end in a day, keep a clock on the time it is taking for a healthcare plan to be signed off, start a clock on the deficit which will increase. Use the same tactics the right/conservative media use. When they then go looking for content they won’t be seeing anything useful (like people crying over how he is Hitler) they'll see that Trumpism is not delivering.

😂 Sure

NC voted for Governor, Stein got somewhere around 500k more votes than Harris. Some of that was due to the abysmal nature of the Republican candidate

Ah come off it, woke America (and in general) was firmly entrenched before Biden.

What has slamming Biden over Gaza accomplished?

The far Left ended up helping Trump get in, and he probably help carpet bomb the place faster so he can build Trump resorts from the river to the sea, minus the original occupants of the area

Congratulations

Ah yes .Where would you be without your scary scapegoats?

You definitely have no ability to identify bullsh*t it seems

The final counts not in yet but Trumps vote totals are not far from 2020 while something like 10-15 million democrat voters either stayed home or fell off the face of the earth

Well see soon enough hopefully, either way all the criticism of Biden on his approach to Middle East ended up being counterproductive

Are you implying that such a description is meaningless and cannot meaningfully describe a significant part of the electorate?

Or just that the term is wrongly applied?

When Biden was picked back in 2020 I was "pleased" because he was a man and I thought that he would ,for that reason alone have that bit of extra support which would allow him to beat Trump.

(also he looked like the man for the blue wall state voters to identify with)

It turned out that he did win and if being a man was indeed a part of that success then it follows that a woman in 2024 would have that bit of a steeper slope to climb to get a comparable result.

Another way of looking at that is that some Biden voters would gravitate back to either not voting or (most wretchedly) voting for Trump and his supporters.